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Duncan D. Hunter: Fence is right fix for nationís border problems
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | June 5, 2014 | Rep. Duncan D. Hunter

Posted on 07/07/2014 2:23:02 AM PDT by South40

No different from many areas throughout Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, San Diego County is on the front line of the illegal immigration fight. The difference is that experience and results make San Diego one of the most effectively secured border regions in the country.

This success is not a coincidence or due to luck. It’s because San Diego has in place the infrastructure and resources that create an enforceable border that actively discourages and prevents illegal foot and vehicle traffic. Often, San Diego is viewed as a bellwether for border security and federal officials — in particular, the Obama Administration — would be wise to take note of what’s been done locally.

One of San Diego’s greatest assets is the double-layered border fence that extends inland from the Pacific Ocean. Fencing and infrastructure alone are by no means enough to stop illegal crossings, but the presence of physical impediments at the border, when supported by manpower and technology, create barriers that make entry increasingly more difficult and sometimes impossible. The last remaining hole in San Diego’s defense is the ocean route. The Coast Guard does not have the technology or the manpower to protect against the ocean threat and the narco-terrorists are using the ocean more.

But on land, infrastructure is a force multiplier. Fewer agents are needed in fenced areas than unfenced sections of the border. With the addition of cameras and sensors, border agents are not only better protected, but also more effective.

Also worth noting is the humanitarian benefit that infrastructure delivers. The danger of crossing desert areas, where dehydration and exhaustion are serious risks, is minimized when there is no clear corridor for entry. The San Diego border fence has forced some migrants to attempt crossing over less inviting terrain, but within these areas a greater manpower presence is capable of covering larger spaces and responding more quickly.

In 2006, the Secure Fence Act was signed into law, requiring the Department of Homeland Security to build upward of 700 miles of double layered fencing along the U. S-Mexico border. While the Obama administration is quick to state that the targets have been met, only a small fraction — in fact, less than 40 miles — of the newly implemented infrastructure is double-layered. The single-layer pedestrian fencing and vehicle barriers that fill the remaining mileage might be better than nothing, but the opportunity to build on San Diego’s success continues to be missed in the absence of adding secondary fencing where necessary.

Either the mandates of the Secure Fence Act should be reinstated, which I have proposed, or the Obama administration should utilize existing authority to finish the job that the Bush Administration halfheartedly started. Either way, this is one initiative that, after almost 10 years since the Secure Fence Act was enacted, needs to be completed — the way it was intended.

Though even with the advantages delivered from enhanced security, new challenges are routinely presented, often through exploited legal forms of entry. This is something the San Diego region will continue to deal with despite having an enforceable border.

No different from many areas throughout Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, San Diego County is on the front line of the illegal immigration fight. The difference is that experience and results make San Diego one of the most effectively secured border regions in the country.

This success is not a coincidence or due to luck. It’s because San Diego has in place the infrastructure and resources that create an enforceable border that actively discourages and prevents illegal foot and vehicle traffic. Often, San Diego is viewed as a bellwether for border security and federal officials — in particular, the Obama Administration — would be wise to take note of what’s been done locally.

One of San Diego’s greatest assets is the double-layered border fence that extends inland from the Pacific Ocean. Fencing and infrastructure alone are by no means enough to stop illegal crossings, but the presence of physical impediments at the border, when supported by manpower and technology, create barriers that make entry increasingly more difficult and sometimes impossible. The last remaining hole in San Diego’s defense is the ocean route. The Coast Guard does not have the technology or the manpower to protect against the ocean threat and the narco-terrorists are using the ocean more.

But on land, infrastructure is a force multiplier. Fewer agents are needed in fenced areas than unfenced sections of the border. With the addition of cameras and sensors, border agents are not only better protected, but also more effective.

Also worth noting is the humanitarian benefit that infrastructure delivers. The danger of crossing desert areas, where dehydration and exhaustion are serious risks, is minimized when there is no clear corridor for entry. The San Diego border fence has forced some migrants to attempt crossing over less inviting terrain, but within these areas a greater manpower presence is capable of covering larger spaces and responding more quickly.

In 2006, the Secure Fence Act was signed into law, requiring the Department of Homeland Security to build upward of 700 miles of double layered fencing along the U. S-Mexico border. While the Obama administration is quick to state that the targets have been met, only a small fraction — in fact, less than 40 miles — of the newly implemented infrastructure is double-layered. The single-layer pedestrian fencing and vehicle barriers that fill the remaining mileage might be better than nothing, but the opportunity to build on San Diego’s success continues to be missed in the absence of adding secondary fencing where necessary.

Either the mandates of the Secure Fence Act should be reinstated, which I have proposed, or the Obama administration should utilize existing authority to finish the job that the Bush Administration halfheartedly started. Either way, this is one initiative that, after almost 10 years since the Secure Fence Act was enacted, needs to be completed — the way it was intended.

Though even with the advantages delivered from enhanced security, new challenges are routinely presented, often through exploited legal forms of entry. This is something the San Diego region will continue to deal with despite having an enforceable border.

For instance, one way that illegal immigrants are entering the country is through the process whereby anybody can claim “credible fear.” And right now, U.S. Customs and Border Protection does not keep track of who overstays on the basis credible fear is initially cited.

In fact, credible fear is the new buzzword that lawyers are spreading throughout Mexico and other countries. By law, migrants must be allowed entrance and await their day in court. Many, if not most just disappear and there is no way for CBP to find them later.

Now in San Diego County, it’s easier to present oneself at the Otay Mesa processing center than to sneak across the border. Go down to the border and take a look. The problem here is no longer a lack of infrastructure but a process that is basically a form of admittance into the U.S. for migrants as long as no criminal record shows up for that person. Unbelievably, CBP processes these admittances then cannot account for a migrant’s whereabouts or if they left the country on time.

Addressing security exposures starts at the border — and San Diego County has a great handle on things because of an infrastructure system, technology and personnel that work together so well. But the broader challenges with illegal immigration will continue to exist.

Only when there is consistent enforcement along the entire border will the federal government be in a position to collectively assess the vulnerabilities created by the existing immigration system. Until then, San Diego will continue doing its part, leading by example where it can, and exposing aspects of the immigration process that desperately need a fix.

Hunter, R-Alpine, represents the 50th Congressional District.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens

1 posted on 07/07/2014 2:23:02 AM PDT by South40
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To: South40

We have a fence. I’ve stood next to it. It looks very Orwellian modern. My Mexican host described the business that takes place at night. They move a structure up to it and lower a ladder down the other side and people pay to cross. Others on the other side take them into town.

What we need is the will to stop people. But can you imagine the outcry when they shoot people? The agent who did so would go to prison. Then there would be a lawsuit.

Or, we could stop feeding them, clothing them, giving them free apartments and education. Stop employing them. Make them feel unwelcome. That would stop them.


2 posted on 07/07/2014 2:29:11 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

So then dozens cross instead of hundreds/thousands with no real patrolling of the fence. Seems like a positive. And if we had Border patrol, say...patrolling the border instead of regulating them to glorified skywatchers, they might happen across one of those structures/ladders and stop the remaining dozens.

In fact I know they would. Because they used to.

Sure, stop the attraction. I agree completely. But please don’t help spread the Amnesty supporter meme that fences don’t work.


3 posted on 07/07/2014 2:39:25 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's t+.01hat 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Gen.Blather

Hundreds of illegals die each year in the deserts of Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. If we had minefields and they are brutal vicious killers and maimers, illegals would not try to enter. A few would die by their own actions. Many that would have died in the desert will not because they will not try to illegally gain entry.

What is more humane? Hundreds dying in the deserts and untold other thousands abused, raped, killed, etc. by the coyotes that smuggle them across or a minefield?


4 posted on 07/07/2014 2:56:00 AM PDT by cpdiii (deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist. The constitution is worth dying for!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“Sure, stop the attraction. I agree completely. But please don’t help spread the Amnesty supporter meme that fences don’t work.”

Fences only work if you’re willing to shoot somebody crossing them. If it was known the guards would shoot somebody then a line of string would be sufficient. But they know nobody will shoot them.

In 2009 in the Mexican convenience stores I stopped in there were government supplied pamphlets telling them how to cross, what to take and how to apply for welfare.

Frankly, I’d say that was a downright unneighborly act and were I president there’d be a discussion about that and the continuance of any financial aid. But Obama has talked to Mexico and the US is, apparently, running ads there on how to apply for EBT cards.


5 posted on 07/07/2014 3:05:27 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: South40

Its a line of defense which is needed but we need serious enforcement on this side of the border so they don’t even try.


6 posted on 07/07/2014 3:18:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Had the fence been built, there would be several million less people here today. That’s a simple fact. Anything else is just an excuse. Had the fence been built, the dems and GOP could not easily play border games because crossings could be watched and if needed, blockaded. Lots of us warned that today would come BECAUSE the fence remained unreconstructed. We were right. The lack of a fence...a REAL fence, allowed these political games. And as long as we are fenceless, the games will continue until the Dems/GOP get their destroyed country.

You don’t have to shoot someone, though I’m not opposed to it, for a fence to work. If that were so, lots of people wouldn’t waste money on them. Take the fences down across America if they don’t work. Take the fence down around airports and the White House if they don’t work. When was the last time someone was shot climbing one? How many trillions of dollars of property remained safe because most people didn’t try climbing them with TVs on their backs? I do not understand how people say this or imply this with a straight face.


7 posted on 07/07/2014 3:27:12 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's t+.01hat 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Anyone who’s ever looked over terrain with an infrared radar device knows that no person can hide. Deer stand out....even bunny rabbits stand out. So, a human stands out. In fact, they stand out so well that one can distinguish what they hold in their hands by the different heat signature.

So, a double fence and high tech sensing and infrared monitoring can detect any normal effort to cross the no man’s land between the two fences.

There is no real refutation of this and there’s no real excuse about the terrain. We’ve built railroads, interstate highways, and amazing bridges across the most harrowing pieces of real estate in the entire country. The only reason we’re not building a double fence coast-to-coast is obstruction from politicians sold out to radical change ideology or to the chamber of commerce.


8 posted on 07/07/2014 3:59:37 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: South40

What good is a fence when Obama has instructed our Border Control to welcome them with open arms?


9 posted on 07/07/2014 4:08:57 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: xzins

I am sick to death of people continuing to flat out invent fantasies about why the fence cannot be built. I wish I had a dollar for every time I see someone make excuses.

As you said, there is one reason. Politics. Bottom line.

The thing is, why are sooooo very many Freepers opposed to a fence in the first place? Why is something so basic, demanded and so long pushed for by conservatives being fought by ‘conservatives’ here and elsewhere? This has gone on for years with many, though not all, of the same people making the same excuses year after year as if each fence thread were groundhog day-the movie.

Whats even more ‘interesting’ still is that many, though again not all, often take other strange (for a conservative) positions on topics across the board here. After literally years of watching this happen again and again, I can’t be the only person who sees it.


10 posted on 07/07/2014 4:19:29 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's t+.01hat 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Gen.Blather

China built the Great Wall for a reason and this was long before Cloward-Piven’ “How to Banrupt a Nation for Profit”, people like Obama existed. Even they understood the reasons borders and sovereignty were important.


11 posted on 07/07/2014 4:20:49 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Gen.Blather

“We have a fence. I’ve stood next to it. It looks very Orwellian modern. My Mexican host described the business that takes place at night. They move a structure up to it and lower a ladder down the other side and people pay to cross. Others on the other side take them into town.”

Read the article. He also mentions that a TWO LAYER fence is needed, as well as sensors to figure out where people are congregating. In any case, the fence has WORKED GREAT in California, and pushed most of the human trafficking to Arizona.

But I agree with you that it is only one piece - you still need to cut off the magnet that draws people here in the first place.


12 posted on 07/07/2014 4:23:56 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Norm Lenhart

The reason for opposing the fence is that it is a rationalization that is in effect throwing money rather than solving the problem.

absent the will to stop the flow, a fence will merely be an excuse for greater inaction


13 posted on 07/07/2014 4:24:16 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Gen.Blather

“Fences only work if you’re willing to shoot somebody crossing them. If it was known the guards would shoot somebody then a line of string would be sufficient. But they know nobody will shoot them.”

Then explain to US IDIOTS why the California fence is working when they’re not shooting them. If you can’t then I suspect you’re trolling.


14 posted on 07/07/2014 4:26:13 AM PDT by BobL
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To: bert; Norm Lenhart

fences make it harder to cross whether a politician has his heart into enforcement or not.


15 posted on 07/07/2014 4:29:54 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: bert

“The reason for opposing the fence is that it is a rationalization that is in effect throwing money rather than solving the problem.”

Then you answer my question too, why is the California fence working? Again, if you can’t you’re either trolling or have some personal interest in open borders (and I know at least one person on this site has a personal interest in not having a fence).


16 posted on 07/07/2014 4:29:59 AM PDT by BobL
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To: bert

And while the inaction takes place, thousands upon thousands are kept out by its mere existence. So again, why is that bad? Without it now you get worse than inaction. you get action helping them come and nothing AT ALL stopping them.


17 posted on 07/07/2014 4:33:26 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's t+.01hat 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: BobL

Good o....... throw in the troll slur when confronted with truth.


18 posted on 07/07/2014 4:35:03 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: BobL; South40

Last week South40 caught one dead to rights posting propaganda from a LaRaza/Amnesty site claiming that the fence didn’t work as ‘proof’. Yet that freeper regularly posts on these threads bemoaning the invasion.

Odd that.


19 posted on 07/07/2014 4:36:54 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's t+.01hat 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: South40

A fence won’t work with a President that leaves the gate open.


20 posted on 07/07/2014 4:38:46 AM PDT by Tennessee Conservative
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To: bert

“Good o....... throw in the troll slur when confronted with truth.”

It’s TROLLING if you cannot answer my question. Again, WHY DOES THE CALIFORNIA FENCE WORK?

Otherwise please leave us alone with your Democrat talking points.


21 posted on 07/07/2014 4:46:59 AM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

I’ve seen no evidence that fences off the main routes have any effect. I really have seen no evidence that the fences work other than to force entry to unmonitored points.


22 posted on 07/07/2014 4:50:01 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: bert

“I really have seen no evidence that the fences work other than to force entry to unmonitored points.”

So you’re agreeing with me that fences work where they’re built and therefore you were TROLLING - thank you for admitting it at least, but people, at least on this site look down upon that.


23 posted on 07/07/2014 4:53:41 AM PDT by BobL
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To: South40
Note the "San Diego Si Se Puede" Amnesty banner.


24 posted on 07/07/2014 5:15:50 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: South40
Talking about a fence is a distraction. First of all we need IMMEDIATE action against this current wave of illegal invasion.

Second if you remove the incentive for illegal alien to come here they won't.


1.) Jail employers of illegals
2.) Jail anyone giving shelter to illegals
3.) Deny all government benefits to illegals and their families.
4.) Deport captured illegal aliens after one year hard labor.
5.) Sentence illegal aliens that commit violent felonies to immediate execution.
6.) Sentence American citizens that assault illegal aliens to immediate release.

25 posted on 07/07/2014 5:25:47 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: South40

Might I suggest a three parallel fences 15 or 20 feet between fences, with the middle fence at 100,000 volts and marked as such. Alternately, two parallel fences with a mine field in-between.


26 posted on 07/07/2014 5:47:40 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Unarmed people cannot defend themselves. America is no longer a Free Country.)
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To: South40

In 2006, the Secure Fence Act was signed into law, requiring the Department of Homeland Security to build upward of 700 miles of double layered fencing along the U. S-Mexico border
____________________________________

His Dad’s fence...

and all the money necessary was allocated at that time by the House Appropriations Committee..

It was never built...


27 posted on 07/07/2014 6:05:34 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: South40
Fence???

Hell with a fence!

Razor wire. Punji stakes. Tiger traps. Moats. Machinegun pits. Claymores. Fougasse. Cheval-de-frise. Rodents of Unusual Size ...

28 posted on 07/07/2014 6:18:25 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: South40

Duncan (D.) Hunter bump.


29 posted on 07/07/2014 6:29:36 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: BobL

“Then explain to US IDIOTS why the California fence is working when they’re not shooting them.”

When I was in the Mexican Baja in 2009 my host took me to the fence. He told me that at night smugglers would put up a knockdown structure on the Mexican side and lower ladders down the other side. They charged people to cross and the people picking them up on the other side charged them to move them into the city. Is the wall working? Probably more so than if it were not there. But anything that is not guarded with serious threat of force will be overcome. It’s not like people who put a fence around their property and then have no more crime problem. In your neighborhood there are easier properties to get onto and commit mischief. But if your property was the only desirable piece for somebody to trespass on, as America is in their neighborhood, then your fence would only keep out a select section of the penitential interlopers.

Oh, he also showed me where the US had found tunnels under the fence. We’re talking about tunnels with railroad tracks, air-conditioning and electric lights. So, yes, the fence does keep out a selection of people but not everybody.

BTW, research me before accusing me of trolling.


30 posted on 07/07/2014 8:36:33 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: South40
after almost 10 years since the Secure Fence Act was enacted, needs to be completed — the way it was intended.

Sorry Duncan but it was built exactly as it was intended. The project was funded to fool the conservative wing of the party, it was defunded immediately after the election.

31 posted on 07/07/2014 9:50:36 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: xzins
So, a double fence and high tech sensing and infrared monitoring can detect any normal effort to cross the no man’s land between the two fences.

Anyone whit a smart phone can go to the border and film illegals crossing the border, so what, nothing happens to them except now they are getting free bus tickets to cities all across the USA. There is a plan, we don't seem to get it, because the result is unthinkable, never the less, the plan goes forward.

Ever wonder why all those high fenced forts we built in the Wild West disappeared?

32 posted on 07/07/2014 9:59:47 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Gen.Blather; Norm Lenhart
Fences only work if you’re willing to shoot somebody crossing them.

"Today, Henry is assistant chief of the Border Patrol's San Diego sector. He says apprehensions here are down 95 percent, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year, largely because the single strand of cable marking the border was replaced by double — and in some places, triple — fencing."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5323928

33 posted on 07/07/2014 10:05:29 AM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: Gen.Blather
So, yes, the fence does keep out a selection of people but not everybody.

A fence would not be needed if we enforced the law period. We never had a fence before and we were not invaded, so what changed? Well for one Jimmy Carter was elected.

34 posted on 07/07/2014 2:05:33 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Gen.Blather

cut off the benefits, cut off the jobs and deport on contact

That, plus a wall will work


35 posted on 07/07/2014 2:06:43 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Tennessee Conservative
A fence won't work WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY HERE!!!!

Day late, dollar short.

Massive deportation, starting now. Anything short of that is the end of the country.

36 posted on 07/07/2014 2:08:50 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: itsahoot

“A fence would not be needed if we enforced the law period. We never had a fence before and we were not invaded, so what changed? Well for one Jimmy Carter was elected. “

Actually, I think there’s been a problem from Mexico for a long, long time. President Wilson deported rough 10 million to give jobs to returning WW1 vets. Ike planed on deporting 12 million in operation Wetback. But it stopped early because the hysterical women and crying babies were shown on a new fangled thing called TV. The public outcry stopped it. Nobody since has had the political will.

You’re right about Jimmy Carter. He gave us the Muriel Boat Lift, countless murders and a decade of ruinous crime. We can probably expect something similar from every Democratic president from now on.


37 posted on 07/07/2014 2:17:40 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

As far as human smuggling, a tunnel is VERY INEFFICIENT, because it’s hard to explain how the recipient building (house) has hundreds of people exiting every day. People do catch on. That’s why they’re almost only used for drugs - way too much risk with people...and people can talk and tell the feds where the tunnel is located. So nice try.

As far as the wall is concerned, you seem to think (or at least say) that if it’s 90% effective, it’s WORTHLESS. Well, some of us disagree as we all saw the human smuggling move east once the fence was in place, and we also saw the suicide bombs STOP in Israel once they built their fence, even over the objections of your type that said it would never work.

So, maybe some Mexicans were pulling your leg about how easy it is to get over the fence in California, and you’re welcome to believe them if that’s what you want to do, but I’ll stick with the news accounts saying that it WORKED GREAT.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/10/us-mexico-border-wall-detours_n_3052950.html

And yes, with nothing to back up your claims but some story from Mexicans about how easy it is to jump the fence, you are trolling - sorry.


38 posted on 07/07/2014 3:45:56 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Gen.Blather
We can probably expect something similar from every Democratic president from now on.

Republicans as well, it was a serious issue with GW, remember the Fence Bill he signed to prove he wasn't an amnesty president?

39 posted on 07/08/2014 6:00:42 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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