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10 states where guns are most (and least) likely to kill people
Salon.com ^ | July 7, 2014 | Steven Rosenfield

Posted on 07/07/2014 3:27:57 AM PDT by Biggirl

In what states are guns most likely, and least likely, to kill people? Every day in America, nearly 90 people are killed by guns, a total of roughly 32,000 annually, according to federal gun violence statistics.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; guns; news

1 posted on 07/07/2014 3:27:57 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

Forget it Jake, its Salon.


2 posted on 07/07/2014 3:33:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Biggirl

Completely counter the truth. This needed a barf alert warning.


3 posted on 07/07/2014 3:35:07 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Biggirl

Three year old data? Couldn’t/wouldn’t they find more current data?


4 posted on 07/07/2014 3:35:21 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Vaquero

They say most deaths are suicides but these are the same people who will support euthanasia and abortion.


5 posted on 07/07/2014 3:36:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Biggirl

http://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html/


6 posted on 07/07/2014 3:41:04 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Biggirl

Total BS. Like Chicago has a low gun death rate, or Camden NJ.


7 posted on 07/07/2014 3:42:04 AM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: Biggirl

An intended victim shooting a robber is “a gun shooting people”. An intended victim shooting a rapist is “gun violence”. The far left fringe is intentionally choosing words to make guns sound bad, when in fact it is leftists who do bad things. Guns just even the odds when decent people are attacked.

“God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal.”


8 posted on 07/07/2014 3:42:14 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Biggirl
“Each of these states has extremely lax gun violence prevention laws

It makes sense that some states have more lax laws regarding murder than other states. The states with the more lax laws just need to add at the end of every law against murder: We mean it! Really!

9 posted on 07/07/2014 3:42:31 AM PDT by stevem
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To: Biggirl

Go look at this dork’s picture and read the interview.

Anyone expecting this man to gather real statistics, analyze them correctly and report them honestly is an idiot.

He’s nothing but a pro-bono political saboteur masquerading as some kind of ‘journalist’. He actually wore a beret!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Progressive-Journalist-Ste-by-Joan-Brunwasser-120831-826.html


10 posted on 07/07/2014 3:42:42 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Biggirl

“And The Safest Gun Violence States?

The states that had the lowest levels of gun-related killings were in the Northeast and Midwest. According to VPC’s analysis, the 10 safest states were: Rhode Island, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin.”

And what do those states all have in common? Far lower than average negro populations?


11 posted on 07/07/2014 3:53:56 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Biggirl

Except that in mostly white New Hampshire everybody has a gun and murder rates are lower than the UK or Belgium. It’s ethnicity and culture (not independent variables) more that gun ownership that determines homicide rates.


12 posted on 07/07/2014 4:07:38 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Biggirl

I’d guess the gun violence is far worse in states where there are the strictest gun controls.


13 posted on 07/07/2014 4:11:18 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: stevem

“Each of these states has extremely lax gun violence prevention laws

What the hell is a gun violence law? For that matter what is gun violence? I have been in the military been in public law enforcement and carried a pistol and been around pistols and revolvers my entire adult life. I have NEVER witnessed a “gun” being violent. I have witnessed criminal and or sick human beings being violent with a gun and many many more without a gun. Stop destroying the English language to push a political agenda.


14 posted on 07/07/2014 4:13:07 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Biggirl
This is silly. Obviously, a gun can't kill anyone by itself. Then they say...

"Nearly two-thirds of all gun deaths are suicides. There, states with the highest gun ownership rates and loosest laws have the highest percentages of deaths this way. Otherwise, poverty is a major factor, correlating with gun violence."

“The five states with the highest per capita gun death rates in 2011 were Louisiana, Mississippi, Alaska, Wyoming, and Montana,”

Lumping gun homicides in with suicides is stupid. In the first case the person shot does not wish to die, and in the second, he or she very definitely does.

Wyoming has a homicide rate of 1.4/100,000, and Montana's is 2.1/100,000. They are among the safest states. (New York's is 4.4/100,000, New Jersey's is 4.1/100,000 and California's is 4.9/100,000.)

What the article tiptoes around is that what Louisiana, Mississippi and Alaska have is large minority populations. At least larger than New York, New Jersey and California. Minorities tend to be responsible for a disproportionate amount of homicides, but do not account for all that many suicides.

It's unlikely that the incidence of depression (and suicide) is really much different in the high firearm ownership states and the low ownership states.

In Japan it is virtually impossible for a private citizen to obtain a firearm and they have a sky-high suicide rate.

In states where it is difficult to obtain a firearm, like New York, suicides choose alternative means, like jumping from high places, or drug ODs. The problem with comparing suicides involving falls from heights and drug ODs to gun suicides is that medical examiners are unlikely to rule a fall from a height or a drug OD a suicide unless there is a suicide note -- and so the suicide in New York becomes "accidental" or "unknown". New York City supposedly has a very low suicide rate -- half the national average. According to a CDC study, the incidence of depression is 7.6% in Wyoming, 6.5% in Montana, and 7.8% in New York. It's unlikely that New York really has as few suicides as is claimed.

The premise of this article is just stupid -- anyone who thinks they are safer in New York or New Jersey than in Wyoming or Montana is beyond delusional.

15 posted on 07/07/2014 4:17:44 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Biggirl

Literally millions of Americans have some form of mental defficiency, yet only a handfull per year commit mass murder, but I can predict with certainty that for every 100 youths in the south side of Chicago, a high number of them WILL commit some form of violent crimes with guns.


16 posted on 07/07/2014 4:31:10 AM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: Vaquero

“All Skewed;All The Time”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


17 posted on 07/07/2014 4:35:06 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Biggirl

That article is cooking the books .


18 posted on 07/07/2014 4:41:18 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Biggirl
Someone had to do one hell of a lot of number crunching and twisting and shading and contorting to come up with these statistics.
But I always remember the words of the great author and philosopher who is no longer acceptable in polite society because of his use of forbidden words.

“There are lies, Damn lies and then there are Statistics”

19 posted on 07/07/2014 4:45:19 AM PDT by Tupelo
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To: Biggirl

But how so you reign in all of those guns?!? Some of them are feral after years on the street and practically frothing at the barrel. My wife and I were at the park the other day, and there were a couple of guns listening to rap music and smoking pot by the restroom. One had what looked like gang tattoos...”Forever Smith and Wesson” or something like that, the other had it’s magazine hanging out of the grip so you could see it clearly below the grip. Obscene! We left immediately, you can’t go anywhere anymore without running into them. Will someome please think of the children?!?

/barf


20 posted on 07/07/2014 4:57:20 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Detroit is an open carry stand your ground city with a police chief who encourages people to defend themselves and the murder rate there is in free fall. The murder rate there is down some 30% from last year but the media won’t touch it.


21 posted on 07/07/2014 5:08:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Biggirl

so suicide is included among gun violence?

and ropes are not?


22 posted on 07/07/2014 5:12:28 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Biggirl

Guns don’t kill people—or anything else, idiots.


23 posted on 07/07/2014 5:25:57 AM PDT by Flintlock (islam is a LIE, mohamuud a PEDOPHILE, sharia is POISON.)
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To: jsanders2001

State level statistics are largely worthless. The real disparity is urban vs rural. I also like how they skewed the data by tossing in suicides to put Wyoming and Montana, two states with high firearm ownership rates and very low firearm related crime rates, near the top of the list.


24 posted on 07/07/2014 5:34:30 AM PDT by VOR78
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To: Biggirl

Total bull!! Connecticut one of the safest, after Sandy Hook. Author didn’t get the memo on that one.


25 posted on 07/07/2014 5:34:36 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Biggirl

I think its bending... bordering on flat out lies.


26 posted on 07/07/2014 5:37:26 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: Biggirl

This guy is really trying to make the numbers fit his argument. What matters to me is who is pulling the trigger. Throw the suicides out of the conversation and then ask how many criminals pulled the trigger. Ask how many repeat offenders pulled the trigger. Another question to ask is where did the person pulling trigger come from. Recently we have been seeing an increase in crime in my township, in what has been an almost violent crime free township historically. The people committing crimes today, don’t live here. They live in the city. Guess what color they are ... they ain’t white.


27 posted on 07/07/2014 5:47:14 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: Biggirl

The rate is the same for all states. Guns kill zero people.

People WITH guns, on the other hand, kill people on occasion.


28 posted on 07/07/2014 6:17:31 AM PDT by Disambiguator (#cornedbeef)
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To: cripplecreek
Forget it Jake, its Salon.

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FMCDH(BITS)

29 posted on 07/07/2014 6:48:47 AM PDT by nothingnew (Hemmer and MacCullum are the worst on FNC)
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To: jsanders2001

I would love to see a breakdown of gun violence along racial lines. The liberal pillow biters would never do such a study because it would destroy their false narrative. It isn’t gun violence, it’s black violence.


30 posted on 07/07/2014 9:31:17 AM PDT by peeps36 (Save The Tortoise And Kill The People)
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To: peeps36

> I would love to see a breakdown of gun violence along racial lines. The liberal pillow biters would never do such a study because it would destroy their false narrative. It isn’t gun violence, it’s black violence.

Seems to the norm with a few young white psychotic pill poppers with mental illnesses that shoot the place up to further the progressive gun grabbing agenda. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the 0 administration has a list of young millenials on psychotropic drugs that have parent’s with a heavy gun arsenal that they mess with using psychological welfare on until they finally snap and shoot the place up. You think I’m kidding, right? I’m not.


31 posted on 07/07/2014 10:00:45 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Vaquero; All

Do not buy into their basic premise. “Gun Violence” is a propaganda metric. It is the start of the Big Lie. This is just a variant on the theme of “Gun Violence”. By limiting the data to “gun violence”, you eliminate all positive contributions by people with guns, and eliminate all the negative thing that happen when people do not have guns.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/03/academic-malpractice-and-gun-violence.html


32 posted on 07/07/2014 1:20:23 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Biggirl
In what states are guns most likely, and least likely, to kill people?

A gun is the same no matter what state it is in. It remains ignorant to both state lines and the gun laws floating about it.

33 posted on 07/07/2014 1:23:14 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: marktwain
“Gun Violence” is a propaganda metric

Bingo...you got it.

34 posted on 07/07/2014 1:55:50 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Having a lot of guns could happen for many reasons, and its consequences aren’t immune to circumstances either.


35 posted on 07/07/2014 2:00:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Caipirabob

SON OF A GUN


36 posted on 07/07/2014 2:01:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: dead

In a way, the gun and the drug issues are parallel.

People use or misuse guns.

People use or misuse drugs.

Both are subject to good or evil motives.


37 posted on 07/07/2014 2:02:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: jsanders2001

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/


38 posted on 07/07/2014 8:57:04 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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