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THE UGLY TRUTH -- A DIAGNOSIS
WSB radio ^ | July 7, 2014 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 07/07/2014 5:57:00 AM PDT by HammerT

OK. Sit down. I have a diagnosis for you. This reality is going to be hard to accept. You may have first heard this diagnosis a few years ago, and totally rejected it.

Diagnosis: America is currently being ruled by a man who came to this country in 1979 determined to destroy America as we know it, and who is well on his way to realizing that goal.

CLOWARD-PIVEN

Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. Names you should know. Here – in their words – was the plan:
“The ultimate objective of this strategy—to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income—will be questioned by some. Because the ideal of individual social and economic mobility has deep roots, even activists seem reluctant to call for national programs to eliminate poverty by the outright redistribution of income.

The Cloward-Piven strategy for achieving this goal was simple. You overwhelm the federal government with entitlement payments; welfare payments, disability payments and other social entitlement benefits to the point that chaos erupts.

Whistle past the graveyard! Maybe that will work. Know, however, that governments are not forever. Constitutional Republics like ours based on the rule of law and property rights generally destroy themselves after about 230 years. Ignore that though. Couldn’t happen here, right?

Connect them, ignore them. Sooner or later, though, you’re going to have to fight. Are you going to do that now when victory is possible? Or are you going to wait until the situation is so far along – the Cloward-Piven Strategy and Obama’s destructive plans – that victory is doubtful .. but you fight because your back is against the wall.

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A sad assesment of our current situation.

I tried to except it for brevity as much as possible to just cover the important points, but these items have to be learned, understood and acted upon.

(You can read the whole piece at the link provided if you want)

1 posted on 07/07/2014 5:57:00 AM PDT by HammerT
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To: HammerT

“but these items have to be learned, understood and acted upon.”

Problem is too many people have a “normalcy bias”.

Even with it right in their face, they simply refuse to accept what they are seeing.


2 posted on 07/07/2014 6:11:32 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: HammerT

What does he mean by “fight”. If he means go out and knock doors, hold signs, and make calls to elect more republicans, I’m not interested. I’m still praying God raises up a man with stature to call on the nullification of federal tyranny.


3 posted on 07/07/2014 6:12:34 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: HammerT

Thanks for the link. It is certainly spot-on.
The problem is that those who know and understand this are in the minority.
It will take an act of God to save America.


4 posted on 07/07/2014 6:15:04 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: HammerT

Bookmark


5 posted on 07/07/2014 6:17:26 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.??)
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To: IMR 4350
The damage already wrought is beyond calculation.

Is that pie for me

6 posted on 07/07/2014 6:18:40 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: IMR 4350

Normalcy bias is indeed a big part of the problem and the main reason many are unable to see that obama is hell bent on our destruction. They just can’t get their arms around that fact.


7 posted on 07/07/2014 6:21:39 AM PDT by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: IMR 4350
Problem is too many people have a “normalcy bias”.

Even with it right in their face, they simply refuse to accept what they are seeing.

That is exactly what we’re talking about – people think that things will continue on unceasingly without considering what is taking place.

I would like to ask some that when they were children and they clamped their hands over their ears and sang ‘la-la-la-la’ to drown out what they did not want to hear – did that actually ever work?

8 posted on 07/07/2014 6:21:59 AM PDT by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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To: demshateGod
What does he mean by “fight”. If he means go out and knock doors, hold signs, and make calls to elect more republicans, I’m not interested.

Been there, done that and I agree wholeheartedly

I can only hope that your second point will take place.

9 posted on 07/07/2014 6:25:31 AM PDT by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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To: HammerT

Apathy


10 posted on 07/07/2014 6:28:52 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: HammerT
I agree that the C-P plan is happening, but I never see anyone discussing whether it will work the way they want it to. The plan seems to me to be:

1. Overwhelm social programs until the country is bankrupt.

2. Some magic happens.

3. Communist Utopia!

It seems to me that if the idiots succeed in crashing 'the system', the new order may very well be fewer social programs. I believe the best deal the freeloaders have is the current system, and any changes could result in a serious reduction in welfare payouts.

11 posted on 07/07/2014 6:34:53 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Comment Not Approved

Some people refuse to admit Obama is out to destroy the country because they then have to admit to themselves they helped him do it not just by voting for him but voting democrat and supporting all the “good intention” programs.

If they admit Obama , a democrat is out to destroy the country with all of these good intention programs, then they have to admit to themselves the democrats have been set on destroying the country “with their good intention programs” all along.


12 posted on 07/07/2014 6:43:11 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: sportutegrl
It seems to me that if the idiots succeed in crashing ‘the system’, the new order may very well be fewer social programs. I believe the best deal the freeloaders have is the current system, and any changes could result in a serious reduction in welfare payouts.

That reminds me of the same thing I’ve thought about that grand plan of the Left – what makes them think that it’ll work out as desired?

They’ve convinced themselves of the correctness of their theory in their little leftist echo chamber – but there is no indication that it will actually work.

Problem is, we have to suffer the consequences of their little ‘experiment’.

13 posted on 07/07/2014 6:46:38 AM PDT by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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To: HammerT

They voted for the dems because they supported all of these “good intention” programs so they can’t be wrong.


14 posted on 07/07/2014 6:47:09 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

It has been slapping the USA in the face from the day the divorce records were opened against the senator that Obama beat out.


15 posted on 07/07/2014 7:06:21 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: demshateGod

Are we (USA) expected to just sit on our butts and whine? I don’t have the answer.


16 posted on 07/07/2014 7:09:36 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: hosepipe

BINGO! In a nut shell.


17 posted on 07/07/2014 7:12:39 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: IMR 4350

They didn’t care what he said or did. He was black and that’s all that mattered to the majority of his supporters.


18 posted on 07/07/2014 7:12:51 AM PDT by Bluebeard16
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To: sportutegrl

The people who created the Cloward-Piven Plan considered their plan the peaceful way to accomplish the same thing the Weather Underground wanted to accomplish through violence - the overthrow of the government.

Larry Grathwohl was there when people like this were talking about the plan. America was going to be divided up by region and divvied out to the communist nations - Russia, China, Cuba, Viet Nam... Those who resisted would be put in “re-education” camps, and the estimated 25 million of us who wouldn’t accept “re-education” would be exterminated.

The intent is to break America and start over with communism. And communism never works - except for the people at the top.


19 posted on 07/07/2014 7:14:30 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: HammerT
HT, thanks but we already know all of this.

What's the solution?

Who's the Leader,
What's the Program.
Where's the Plan.

We are like a poisoned dog, waiting for some celestial vet to figure out what the antidote is and how to administer it. That just ain't gonna work.

By now it must be obvious that a key part of the Cloward-Piven strategy is misdirection. I.E., Focus the peasants on Obama, while THEIR Program, Plan, and Leaders soldier on toward our deconstruction.

20 posted on 07/07/2014 7:20:15 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: IMR 4350

This is true – those people would have to admit they went along with people who want to destroy freedom.

The only thing we can do with those who recant their support of the Marxists is to tell they can make up for their earlier mistakes by opposing the Dems now.


21 posted on 07/07/2014 7:24:14 AM PDT by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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To: IMR 4350

Democrats are worse than Republicans, but they are not the sole source of our problems.

DHS and TSA are but two examples of how Republican administrations take part in the destruction of our freedom and liberty. And the GOP attacks on the TEA Party is another.

I’m not so sure purging Democrats alone will right our ship of state. I do think that that would slow down our sailing towards the rocks of financial ruin. We are going to need a big reset before we begin to heal.

I’ll see you at the barricades.


22 posted on 07/07/2014 8:12:33 AM PDT by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: HammerT

Something important from that article: we have to get through the stages of denial and anger, and move on to the stage of determined action.

But one way that this is different than simple cancer: simple cancer can’t decide to become a heart attack if it sees that you’re using chemo or radiation on it. As long as Obama has the powers of the Presidency (and is willing to act as an enemy combatant in that role, refusing his Constitutional duties and instead legislating his own agenda via executive order, administrative action, etc) has the means to destroy this country via a mega attack - an EMP, biological warfare disguised as immigrants, economic collapse, etc. He can do it through terrorist operatives he is deliberately letting into the country, through rogue countries such as North Korea or Iran, through weapons he provided to terrorists (such as Manpads disappearing from Libya, ISIS getting what we gave Iraq, etc...), etc.

By the time Obama is aware that we know who/what he is, we have to have IMMEDIATE action to strip him of his powers - which has to include actual restraining of him, given this guy’s lawlessness.

Joe Arpaio is going to be coming out with information that’s been called “universe shattering”. When he does, we need to be ready.

I’m trying to find out who can arrest Obama and for what reasons. The DOJ under Nixon when he was facing arrest came out with an opinion saying that an acting POTUS can never be arrested. It was reaffirmed under Janet Reno, when Clinton was looking at potential arrest because of his selling White House overnight visits for campaign cash and potentially cooperating with Chinese front companies to allow China to get forbidden military technology/secrets.

A couple of crooks with DOJ doing CYA for them. But it’s established a narrative that a POTUS can’t be arrested by anybody, no matter what. If somebody bucks that narrative they better be ready to take the heat. And the only way they’re going to risk it is if they know the heat from NOT doing something will be even worse.

Aside from arrest, there is impeachment but that takes too long. Obama could easily destroy this country by the time it takes to even draw up impeachment papers. He would have the Presidential powers right up until he was convicted at trial, and that’s all it would take.

If the POTUS himself is in danger from his own reckless deeds his security detail can do whatever is necessary to protect him. So theoretically speaking, if there was a way to make sure that any danger Obama puts us in also falls to him - then his security detail would be authorized to do whatever necessary, including arresting him, to keep him safe. Brighter minds than I can mull how that level of accountability could be achieved - for the POTUS to be yoked to us so that if he’s going to be Samson and collapse the building on us, he’s going to be right there in the rubble with us.

Beyond that, there are two ways for the Presidential powers to be stripped, as I see it:

The easiest: some judge could actually obey the Constitution and admit that it IS our business if there is a Constitutionally-forbidden foreign enemy combatant in our White House, and on the basis of Hawaii not having any legally-valid birth certificate for Obama rule that Obama has never qualified to be POTUS and cannot act as President. At that point presumably Joe Biden would have the Presidential powers. We need to know if Biden would also destroy this country. George Soros has said he has bought and paid for the democrat party so Biden might not be much better than Obama. If he can somehow be disqualified at the same time...

The other way is for Biden and half of the Cabinet members to twice say that Obama is incapable of doing the duties of the office (once initially and once after Obama protests that he’s fine). The question would then fall to the House and Senate. If both chambers find him unable, by a 2/3 vote, then he is stripped of his powers and they go to Biden.

Those are the legal means by which the country could be saved from Obama the foreign enemy combatant in our White House. If none of those can work, the only other option is a second Revolutionary War.

We need to be preparing the people who need to act on our behalf, if possible. They need to be ready by the time Arpaio comes out with his news, IMHO.

Obama has raised up our enemies (armed, funded, and trained them) and allowed them into our country, and the only way the US can be safe from them is by finding them and either arresting them or deporting them - and then keeping our borders secure and practicing due diligence on “visitors”. We need to pass laws that protect from a run on the bank like the Sept 2008 one (which I believe was a communist-Islamist terrorist attack used by Soros to convey his ability to carry out the threat of another such attack if Obama was not allowed to usurp the Presidency). And we need to get rid of our huge debt, which puts us so close to the edge that a run on the bank could tip us over the edge.

But all of that stuff requires a Congress that sees this is far more dangerous than a plane flying into the Twin Towers.

It may mean we have to first get rid of the Congress-critters whose only job is to do CYA for Obama the foreign enemy combatant. If anybody has weiner pics of any of these guys, pull them out now. Or whatever it takes to let them know that though the NSA has dirt on them, if they or their families want to go to the grocery store or to a restaurant without being heckled and obviously despised, they better either resign or shape up because we are DEAD SERIOUS.

We need to do a no-BS assessment of where we’re at, and take smart action to get us where we need to be. Those who have access and means to get information where it needs to be, etc need to step up to the plate. It’s now or never.


23 posted on 07/07/2014 8:22:54 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: Kenny Bunk; null and void

See my post 23.

Nully, can you ping to this?

We need to start seriously considering our options. We’ve had time to digest Obama as an enemy and we are the ones who need to move to action.

I just considered the options at the federal level. I don’t know much about the powers that the states have. For instance, in the current regime-orchestrated invasion of our southern border, could Rick Perry, Jan Brewer, etc call out the National Guard to defend the border - keeping these people from crossing into the US where the feds will grab up the power to do whatever they want with them? Whatever happened to the Minute Man program? Can Americans stand shoulder to shoulder with guns all along the border?

Similarly, there may be things the states can do to stop Obama from something catastrophic. Maybe the states need to find the terrorists that Obama has armed, trained, funded, and let into the country... I don’t know if there’s anything they can do to strip Obama of Presidential powers in the critical period when Obama would be most likely to unleash the dogs of war on the US.


24 posted on 07/07/2014 8:30:36 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: AlexW

“It will take an act of God to save America.”

Or, most likely, an Augusto Pinochet.


25 posted on 07/07/2014 8:39:06 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Kenny Bunk

I realize that most around here know these facts – but sometimes it’s worthwhile to read through them for a slightly different perspective to be able to talk to those who haven’t been paying attention.

I’m also bringing to everyone’s attention with the idea that with urgency of the hour, we all need to do what we can to inform the low or no – informed.

What’s the solution?

I truly wish I could offer a solution to you at this moment, but If such a quick and easy way out were possible, it would have been taken by now.

The only thing I could suggest at this point would be to use the left’s organizing tactics against them.

Call our elected representatives – melt their phone lines.

Get out in the streets and (non-violently) refuse to submit to this tyranny.


26 posted on 07/07/2014 8:48:29 AM PDT by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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To: HammerT

REVOLT is COMING and has NOW started.


27 posted on 07/07/2014 8:56:29 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: libstripper

Now you understand why Americans have ARMED themselves over the last couple of years now?

I predict there will be a revolt in my lifetime.


28 posted on 07/07/2014 8:57:54 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: HammerT

Not surprised by what Mr. Bootz has said. This country is in bigtime trouble.


29 posted on 07/07/2014 8:59:39 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Pray for me. Two AR type rifles that I mysteriously acquired in the last year were lost in a Horrible Boating Tragedy.


30 posted on 07/07/2014 9:16:25 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: sportutegrl

Rather the start of a major revolt.


31 posted on 07/07/2014 9:16:51 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: butterdezillion
Someone made what would sound like on it’s face to be rather odd: That the problem for people who have to resort to extremes wait too long until It’s almost too late.

The example provided was cannibalism like the Andes plane crash survivors – they were almost too weak to survive when they finally took action.

Part of the problem we have is that there are some [let’s be blunt and call them traitors] who want the country destroyed. Don’t ask me how they think they will survive the cataclysm, because I have a difficult time understanding the truly insane.

And part of the problem is that some are still in those 1st two stages.

For starters, I would say part of our plan of action is to get those people in that latter group to where we are.

As was said in the piece:

Every one of these actions promoted and undertaken by Obama has led to exactly the type of chaos Cloward and Piven outlined in their article. The system is being overwhelmed. America simply cannot sustain the costs of the millions of people being put on the government dole at Obama’s behest. We are at the point where over 50% of all American households are receiving some type of unearned government entitlement check, and the percentage grows every passing day. We're headed to destruction, my friends, and you're not going to like what Obama and his fellow travelers have planned to save the day.

Ignore the diagnosis if you will. Denial is common. Get angry if you will. Call me a racist, a hater … anything you want. It doesn’t change the diagnosis.

There should be on fact that should make people sit up straight – that:

Whistle past the graveyard! Maybe that will work. Know, however, that governments are not forever. Constitutional Republics like ours based on the rule of law and property rights generally destroy themselves after about 230 years.

That simple fact has to be pounded into the Tyranny Deniers mind.

32 posted on 07/07/2014 9:19:56 AM PDT by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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To: Comment Not Approved

“I’m not so sure purging Democrats alone will right our ship of state”

I’m 100% positive it wont.

The enablers in the republican party have to go too.


33 posted on 07/07/2014 9:24:25 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: HammerT

A lot of the work I’ve been doing has been to try to help people see the dangerous situation we’re in. There are 2 major difficulties. The first is the predictable normalcy bias - as has been noted - which in this case has resulted in friendly fire, fellow conservatives who shoot down and/or try to silence the people who say the truth, because they don’t want it to be true or they think associating with people who say it out loud is “embarrassing”.

The second is more troubling and is utilized when we’re dealing with enemies who truly mean business: the media has been silenced through threats - made good - of careers ruined and death. Some of the media people are genuine traitors; others are just trying to stay alive and keep their families safe. I suspect the same is true for some of the Congress-critters and judges. That’s the level of lawlessness we’re dealing with. Most of us here probably know it and have been saying it, but 2008 was a literal coup, with all the criminal trappings. At least some of the system is broken because it’s been taken hostage in the last 6 years.

It is WAY past time for those who have ridiculed the messengers, because they just didn’t want this to be the truth, to stop doing that - to see that what we have said would come HAS come, and mocking the “silly conspiracists” doesn’t work when any fool can see the foreign invasion this regime orchestrated. Any fool can see the lawlessness of the man in the White House, and can see that he is taunting the people over our supposed lack of “standing” to hold him accountable for his lawlessness.

Those who are hired by the regime to pose as “conservatives”, consider that you are a peon who will NOT be protected from what is to come. Neither communism nor sharia will give you a second thought before destroying you. The first people the communists shoot point-blank after the revolution are the “useful idiots” who put them into power. And if you’re non-Muslim sharia would make you a slave or dead. If you’re Muslim realize that most of the people the Islamist terrorists have killed are fellow Muslims. Nobody is safe.


34 posted on 07/07/2014 9:53:32 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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To: yorkiemom; null and void; laplata; Gluteus Maximus; Salvavida; Foundahardheadedwoman; baddog 219; ..

CWII Spark — The Cloward-Piven is all about it.


35 posted on 07/07/2014 10:34:37 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: butterdezillion

The second is more troubling and is utilized when we’re dealing with enemies who truly mean business: the media has been silenced through threats - made good - of careers ruined and death. Some of the media people are genuine traitors; others are just trying to stay alive and keep their families safe. I suspect the same is true for some of the Congress-critters and judges. That’s the level of lawlessness we’re dealing with. Most of us here probably know it and have been saying it, but 2008 was a literal coup, with all the criminal trappings. At least some of the system is broken because it’s been taken hostage in the last 6 years.


I’ve been saying the same thing. People have been told that they can make noise but they’d better not cross the line because they and their families lives have been threatened.

Every government agency has been infiltrated and people have been told to toe the line or they are dead.

We’ll see if anyone comes out and exposes this coup.

I think we’re going to see a showdown.


36 posted on 07/07/2014 11:25:40 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: butterdezillion

Those who would shoot down people who speak the truth come in two flavors.

One type are of a Conservative ideology who have been beaten down by all the rhetoric from the Nation’s Marxist leftists with incessant accusations about racism, etc. They’ve gotten into their heads that staying silent will keep them on everyone’s good side or something.

What they don’t realize is that reaction is exactly what the Marxists want – silence to their oppression.

The other type are the concern trolls – those from the enemy side who sow dissention in our ranks.

The first type need to be made away that speaking truth is never radical.


37 posted on 07/07/2014 11:39:26 AM PDT by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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To: HammerT
Sooner or later, though, you’re going to have to fight. Are you going to do that now when victory is possible? Or are you going to wait until the situation is so far along – the Cloward-Piven Strategy and Obama’s destructive plans – that victory is doubtful .. but you fight because your back is against the wall.

I don't think enough people are ready yet. We have to let the system destruct a bit more so people can feel the effects before they will care. Too many are getting too much unearned money. Wait until the EBT cards don't work - THEN will be the time.

I see this article as being too late on one hand and too early on another. It's too late to wake up the masses to the danger of socialism. It's too late to elect any politician to bring us around - there will be complaints when the necessary cuts are made. I think we have to let it collapse. Then rebuild. I'll be happy to help move the collapse along though. First, by quitting paying taxes next year. I'm not going to support this fascist government.
38 posted on 07/07/2014 11:55:20 AM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: sportutegrl

“1. Overwhelm social programs until the country is bankrupt.

2. Some magic happens.

3. Communist Utopia!

It seems to me that if the idiots succeed in crashing ‘the system’, the new order may very well be fewer social programs. I believe the best deal the freeloaders have is the current system, and any changes could result in a serious reduction in welfare payouts.”


Excellent post! I’ve been saying our only hope is to let it collapse - then fight to rebuild it the way it should have been done using the Constitution as the Founding Fathers intended. If not the entire, country then just our section of it. I imagine the coasts will be socialist and the center will be ours. And we better build a wall!!


39 posted on 07/07/2014 11:57:45 AM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: butterdezillion

When is Joe’s announcement expected?


40 posted on 07/07/2014 11:59:48 AM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: butterdezillion
Whatever happened to the Minute Man program?

It broke into factions and dissolved, as far as I know. But there is a new effort - patriots are assembling in Murrieta and on the Texas border. Those in Murrieta are to be met with riot police, so that could set off something.

I have to escape Mexifornia before anything big happens though. I don't want to be trapped in liberal-land. The move to escape is next March - so let's wait 8 months, shall we? (just kidding, do what you have to do but I'm planning my escape to a self-sufficient lifestyle first, and will join you second).

I suggest everyone position themselves where they can be safe and most effective and as self-sufficient as possible. No point being sitting ducks.
41 posted on 07/07/2014 12:04:16 PM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Biggirl

Where?


42 posted on 07/07/2014 12:04:48 PM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Biggirl
I predict there will be a revolt in my lifetime.

Prayers you are right. It needs to happen while us older folks that were taught the correct history about the Founding Fathers are still around. So we can assist with the rebuilding, I mean. We also have experience and sneakiness on our side.
43 posted on 07/07/2014 12:06:33 PM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: libstripper
Two AR type rifles that I mysteriously acquired in the last year were lost in a Horrible Boating Tragedy.

Our entire gun safe and contents met the same fate.
44 posted on 07/07/2014 12:07:18 PM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: HammerT
Part of the problem we have is that there are some [let’s be blunt and call them traitors] who want the country destroyed. Don’t ask me how they think they will survive the cataclysm, because I have a difficult time understanding the truly insane.

Know, however, that governments are not forever. Constitutional Republics like ours based on the rule of law and property rights generally destroy themselves after about 230 years.

You can call me a traitor if you like. In fact, I would be proud. I am a traitor to this fascist government that we have. Damn right!

The second statement above confirms the first. When a government does not last - the country it is in changes. Perhaps not destroyed as you said, but it is no longer the same country. Examples - Yugoslavia, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Czechoslovakia. These all changed into different countries, different governments. And were perhaps better off after.

If we want our country changed, don't we have to destroy what is evil about it? (IMO, it is too late with elections, small modifications in big government overreach, etc. People whine about the teeniest cuts - what really needs to be done will never happen with the current system in place).
45 posted on 07/07/2014 12:14:09 PM PDT by yorkiemom ( "...if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: butterdezillion
It may mean we have to first get rid of the Congress-critters whose only job is to do CYA for Obama the foreign enemy combatant.

That will take an act of God, say, the earth opening up in a convenient location during the SOTU address to swallow up the liars and their lies. Finally, something good on TV.

46 posted on 07/07/2014 12:19:29 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: demshateGod

To semi-quote RWR, The best man in America is a woman, Palin. She has the guts and the know how to beat back this crap.


47 posted on 07/07/2014 12:20:38 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: HammerT

’ That reminds me of the same thing I’ve thought about that grand plan of the Left – what makes them think that it’ll work out as desired?

They’ve convinced themselves of the correctness of their theory in their little leftist echo chamber – but there is no indication that it will actually work’

When the EBT cards no longer work there will be blood in the streets. Bet on it. It won’t be just conservative blood either, reality is going to slap the sh1t out of the liberal/commies.


48 posted on 07/07/2014 12:25:52 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: sportutegrl

Bill Ayers addressed that when he was going over the subject of exterminating the 20-40 million “un-reeducatables” post “crashing the system”...


49 posted on 07/07/2014 12:31:10 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: HammerT

I think some don’t know who is telling the truth and don’t want to stick their necks out for what could be disinformation or somebody who’s mistaken. Anonymity on the web makes it difficult to know who is who. We know the “MSM” is compromised, but some folks think the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t.

And even if the evidence is clear, a lot of people are afraid of being mocked. I think they think it’s either mock the claims, or be mocked yourself. It’s never really about the evidence; the mockery is always to keep it from being about the evidence.

There’s a pattern of how the real stories usually break. Usually some peon makes a claim/suggestion that everybody calls crazy. The MSM ridicules or ignores and the society as a whole blows it off, but a few people pay attention. They are called crazy. Then evidence trickles out, with usually only the “crazies” paying attention but gradually a nagging suspicion develops in more and more people. Then something big enough to be undeniable happens and the more daring “journalists” or commentators make brief reference to it. And then when all the ridicule has played out and it’s not “dangerous” to anybody’s reputation to talk about it, the “cool people” who can’t afford to have anybody mock them start to bring it up.

Yet somehow the people who were the tip of the spear - the ones pointing out truth and getting ridiculed for it - never get any apologies and never get treated as credible because of what they said that gets vindicated. That’s because the process NEEDS to keep those people as the tip of the spear - the people who absorb all the crap spewed forth by people in the throes of normalcy bias. It’s a buffer for the people who can’t/won’t risk ridicule.

Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Trey Gowdy, etc, for instance, are gonna sit out on the eligibility “crazy talk” until it’s pretty much acknowledged by everybody that we had it right all along. If they became like us (the sacrificial lambs) they would have no POLITICAL chance to be the opposition when it comes time to actually get something real done, when something like Sheriff Joe’s information comes out.

We have to have that buffer because the news media is a weapon against us - a weapon that can be effective because we have people who hear no news except that. I was with my parents a few days last week. They know the MSM lies but they don’t do the internet so all they get is MSM. I hate to scare them; it would be so much easier for them to adjust to the realities on the ground if they had some kind of warning, some way of transitioning them from the fairy tale world presented by the MSM into the real world. The process we have for that is what is going on right here right now, with a lot of people posting here and other places. It’s the tip of the spear gradually pulling along the rest of the spear.


50 posted on 07/07/2014 12:34:38 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/)
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