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There’s no God-given right to live in NYC
New York Post ^ | 07/07/2014 | Kyle Smith

Posted on 07/07/2014 8:15:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

One thing we know about Mayor de Blasio is that he’s serious about creating affordable, quality housing for all New Yorkers.

“This is literally the largest and most ambitious affordable-housing program initiated by any city in this country in the history of the United States of America,” de Blasio declared when he announced his “five-borough, 10-year plan” in May. “It is the largest, fastest affordable-housing plan ever attempted at a local level,” he added, vowing to “change the face of this city forever.”

Hear that kids? Your rent worries will soon ease. Great news!

I wonder if the new promise will work out like similar vows from Mayor Bloomberg (“We’ll pursue the most ambitious affordable-housing initiative in New York’s history,” 2006), Mayor Ed Koch (“we won’t rest until the housing we so desperately need is built. The housing shortage is our most severe and intractable problem,” 1986), John Lindsay (who pledged $2 billion to build “160,000 units of low- and middle-income housing,” 1965) and John “Red Mike” Hylan (who said the law of supply and demand should be repealed when it came to housing, citing WWI as the emergency of the day. It was 1920.)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: billdeblasio; housing; newyorkcity; nyc

1 posted on 07/07/2014 8:15:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

If paid enough I could “live” in NYC (as my legal address), but it would take many, many dineros.


2 posted on 07/07/2014 8:23:27 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

New York City is the last place in America I would ever want to live.

But, if the market is such that so many people do want to live there, especially in Manhattan, then the market will set the price of housing there.

New York went through a long stretch when many apartment buildings were abandoned, due to rent control. Landlords couldn’t charge enough rent to cover their own costs, so they abandoned the properties.

Is rent control still in effect there? If so, I’m sure that housing prices are even higher than they would be otherwise, if they have “grandfathered in” some people at lower rents.

De Blasio may be a communist at heart, but, in our system, he can’t repeal the economic laws of supply and demand. And those with money who want to live in Manhattan will squeeze out those who can’t compete money-wise.

Or, we may see people try to revitalize slum areas in Brooklyn instead of trying to be in Manhattan. If we can get that idea past Spike Lee............


3 posted on 07/07/2014 8:29:18 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Well, The Bronx is largely on Manhattan.


4 posted on 07/07/2014 8:30:50 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

I’ve heard The Bronx was one of those areas which became slums, due to landlord abandonment of apartments.

I would love to know, if they build all this “affordable” housing in New York, how will they prevent them from becoming hell hole housing projects????? It’s a fair question to ask, because public housing projects in major cities are hell holes, and Section 8 housing tends to bring down neighborhoods as the less than desirable people move into the units.

So how will de Blasio’s plan be different than any public housing initiatives of the past????


5 posted on 07/07/2014 8:34:03 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: SeekAndFind

And there’s no God-given right to live in the United States of America.


6 posted on 07/07/2014 8:34:17 AM PDT by scouter
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not sure it’s accurate to refer to residing in NYC as living.


7 posted on 07/07/2014 8:35:40 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

People pay $7,200 a month in rent for a two bedroom apartment in New York City. I’m assuming that’s with no yard or garage.
Yet, people can afford to pay this.
If you go by the old rule of “Don’t spend more than 20% of your take home pay on housing costs”, then a couple in New York City earn $35,000 a month? Wow. Invest in those Star Trek transporters. Think of the house you could buy in Nebraska on $35,000 a month. And you just “beam” to and from work.


8 posted on 07/07/2014 8:36:19 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind

This is the problem in many west coast cities/urban area.

People want to live in great areas and have zero funds or jobs to enable that pipe dream.

Yet each city or area like the Bay Area tries force “Affordable housing” on the local tax payers to bring in those without funds or jobs to afford the housing. If and when they get the unaffordable housing, they want an increase in their welfare or their minimum wage salaries/jobs to enjoy the life style.


9 posted on 07/07/2014 8:41:00 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obama's Illegal immigrants = Instant new democrat voters!)
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To: freedomfiter2

Good point.


10 posted on 07/07/2014 8:42:14 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You pose a great question based on the reality of housing projects. However, when we ask the left wingers to look at reality, we are called racists.

“I would love to know, if they build all this “affordable” housing in New York, how will they prevent them from becoming hell hole housing projects????? It’s a fair question to ask, because public housing projects in major cities are hell holes, and Section 8 housing tends to bring down neighborhoods as the less than desirable people move into the units.”


11 posted on 07/07/2014 8:42:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obama's Illegal immigrants = Instant new democrat voters!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

thats already been ongoing for years. Brooklyn has far fewer ‘slums’ and more urban preppie areas.


12 posted on 07/07/2014 8:46:07 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“New York City is the last place in America I would ever want to live.”

I don’t know, so may places that I wouldn’t live in: Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Berkley, Boston, DC, Memphis, ...


13 posted on 07/07/2014 8:48:18 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Of that list, the only city Inwould want to live in is Boston. Chicago, Memphis, DC all crime ridden. The ohthers are in CA, enough said.


14 posted on 07/07/2014 8:58:16 AM PDT by matt04
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, when crime gets bad enough as he stops all the effective policies of the NYPD, rent will go down as people flee. Problem solved.


15 posted on 07/07/2014 8:59:56 AM PDT by matt04
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Agreed. It's sort of an inverted "best of" list. How do you pick the worst place to live in this country?

In NYC or Chicago, you have to worry about getting mugged.

In LA, it's the drug gang problem.

In San Fran or Berkeley, you'd just have to worry about your sanity, due to your neighbors crackpot ideas.... But all of them have punitive taxes.

16 posted on 07/07/2014 9:03:02 AM PDT by Pecos (Kakocracy - killing the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: SeekAndFind
There is a new trend towards building "micro-apartments," apartments which combine a mini-kitchen, bedroom, closet, and (sometimes) a tiny bathroom into one bedroom-sized unit between 120 and 200 square feet. They have built about 2,000 of these units in Seattle and they are apparently popular as a cheap alternative to more traditional apartment units. Although my source says the units typically rent for $500-$750, the only SPECIFIC example given was of a 120 sq. ft. unit that went for $750. So it seems that the actual rent for these slots is probably more like $800-$1,100.

When I hear stuff like this, I actually feel sorry for the generation that is being forced into this situation. It must be profoundly dispiriting; how can such people entertain any notions of family or children? True, it is being marketed as a "temporary" arrangement for most people, but that is a necessary illusion, for how could you tell anyone that "this is the rest of your life" without them experiencing a profound sense of alienation from life and its possibilities?
17 posted on 07/07/2014 9:08:58 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: SeekAndFind
Didn't the Chinese try the same thing ?


18 posted on 07/07/2014 9:17:18 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Pecos; Blood of Tyrants

I think the ‘desirability’ of living someplace is better related to by population density.

The more ‘dense’ the population, the more problems.


19 posted on 07/07/2014 9:20:33 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: blueunicorn6

RE: Think of the house you could buy in Nebraska on $35,000 a month. And you just “beam” to and from work.

Well, if I had the Star Treck Transport, Nebraska would not be my first choice... I’d be looking at a mansion in the beaches of Phuket, Thailand :)


20 posted on 07/07/2014 9:24:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Dilbert San Diego

RE: Is rent control still in effect there?

YES.

See here:

http://nypost.com/2014/06/22/nyc-rent-freeze-decision-may-effect-stabilized-apartments/


21 posted on 07/07/2014 9:24:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: UCANSEE2

I rate them inversely desirable to the number of liberals who live there.


22 posted on 07/07/2014 9:29:44 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Link to subsidized rates:

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/08/21/city_taking_applications_for_affordable_rentals_near_high_line.php


23 posted on 07/07/2014 9:35:22 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: SeekAndFind

And only one Republican mayor during all that time and he didn’t say anything about this. He worked on important stuff like cleaning up the citiy’s trash.


24 posted on 07/07/2014 10:01:01 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (GM is dead and Al Queada is alive.)
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To: UCANSEE2

RE: I think the ‘desirability’ of living someplace is better related to by population density.

The more ‘dense’ the population, the more problems.

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To paraphrase the great baseball player and eminently quotable, YOGI BERRA: “Nobody lives there anymore, it’s too dense.”


25 posted on 07/07/2014 11:39:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: matt04

Boston really is a cool city.

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26 posted on 07/07/2014 11:44:40 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Dilbert San Diego

For me the question is not whether I can afford to live in NYC but how much would someone have to pay me to get me to live there. If they want me to work too the price would be steep indeed. I would much prefer living in a camper trailer on a creek bank in Carolina.


27 posted on 07/07/2014 7:51:50 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: UCANSEE2

As I see it, there is a “happy place” along the population density spectrum. Too dense, and the Left and their thug base make things undesirable. Too sparse, and a single family becomes possible prey if/when things go down the toilet. Then, you have to begin the research-pray-research-pray...cycle to find a place that will remain safe over time.


28 posted on 07/08/2014 6:21:53 AM PDT by Pecos (Kakocracy - killing the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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