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Impeachment: A bridge too far (Buchanan)
WND ^ | 7/7/2014 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 07/07/2014 10:43:43 AM PDT by rjsimmon

WASHINGTON — Increasingly, across this city, the “I” word is being heard.

Impeachment is being brought up by Republicans outraged over Barack Obama’s usurpations of power and unilateral rewriting of laws. And Obama is taunting John Boehner and the GOP: “So sue me.”

Democrats are talking impeachment to rally a lethargic base to come out and vote this fall to prevent Republicans from taking control of the Senate, and with it the power to convict an impeached president.

Still, Republicans should drop the talk of impeachment.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: buchanan; impeachment; obama; patbuchanan
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Pat is off of his meds.
1 posted on 07/07/2014 10:43:43 AM PDT by rjsimmon
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To: rjsimmon

Per usual.


2 posted on 07/07/2014 10:46:58 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: rjsimmon
It would put Crazy Biden in Power. Then if he were impeached too, then we would have Dingy Harry Reid.

But Dingy will not let it happen.

3 posted on 07/07/2014 10:48:15 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: rjsimmon

Geez, Pat...just take your doggone IRA, 401K, whatever money you’ve stashed away and go off and be irrelevant like you have been effectively for 20 years. Sheesh.......

Who cares what you think.


4 posted on 07/07/2014 10:48:22 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: rjsimmon

Pat is absolutely right.


5 posted on 07/07/2014 10:49:04 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: rjsimmon
Pat is off of his meds.

And McCain wouldn't mind Hitlary being President.

It's getting wilder out there by the minute, hour, and day. World war Z yet?
6 posted on 07/07/2014 10:50:05 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: rjsimmon

The base is not “lethargic”, it is outraged - at the GOP - for being dead flies and doing nothing in the face of this assault on the country


7 posted on 07/07/2014 10:50:23 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: circlecity
Pat is absolutely right.

I quite adamantly disagree but would like to hear your opinion as to why.

8 posted on 07/07/2014 10:52:13 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon

Pat is exactly right. Obama will never be convicted. Ever. Of anything, anywhere any time. It is a fools errand which he welcomes to “gin up his base”.


9 posted on 07/07/2014 10:52:42 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: rjsimmon

I often find myself in disagreement with Pat, but he is right here. Huge waste of time and effort, nothing would come of it, except motivating the moron vote.. No thanks.


10 posted on 07/07/2014 10:54:21 AM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: circlecity
Pat is absolutely right.

When the article is read all the way to its conclusion, he does make a point. Still, the words "Pat is absolutely right" do not seem to be logical when put together in a sentence.
11 posted on 07/07/2014 10:54:34 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: rjsimmon

No backbone for Pat, no accountability for Obama.

Actions have consequences. As Charles Stanley often says:

“You reap what you sow, more than you sow, and later than you sow.”

“Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.” Galatians 6:7


12 posted on 07/07/2014 10:54:54 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: sr4402
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession

1 Vice President of the United States Joe Biden (D)
2 Speaker of the House John Boehner (R)
3 President pro tempore of the Senate Patrick Leahy (D)
4 Secretary of State John Kerry (D)
5 Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew (D)
6 Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel (R)
7 Attorney General Eric Holder (D)

13 posted on 07/07/2014 10:55:06 AM PDT by garyb
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To: rjsimmon

Because it would accomplish nothing but to rally a disillusioned Obama base. We don’t have the votes to get rid of him and won’t as long as he’s President. It would just be another fail for the Republicans.


14 posted on 07/07/2014 10:55:19 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: jwalsh07
Obama will never be convicted.

Despite the obvious partisans in the Senate, by the time AOI makes its way up the chain, the Senate would presumably have a Republican majority and may very well unseat BHO. The only case I could see for not bringing AOI would be that the trial very well could elicit a Democratic surge in the polls this November.

What is your thesis?

15 posted on 07/07/2014 10:56:52 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: jwalsh07
Obama will never be convicted. Ever. Of anything, anywhere any time.

You are correct, in the sense that, without an Effective Advocate, we all (including the O) remained convicted and condemned eternally to Hades or worse.
16 posted on 07/07/2014 10:59:22 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: rjsimmon

17 posted on 07/07/2014 10:59:34 AM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 2,756 threads and 85,113 replies................)
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To: rjsimmon

So, what are we supposed to do? Just grab our ankles and take it in the backside? I’m beginning to suspect Pat LIKES being abused.

LAWS WERE BROKEN. PEOPLE HAVE DIED.

DAMMIT......I WANT SOMEONE TO GO TO JAIL!

Where’s the outrage, people? What happened to us?

As to Pat.....I’ve known he was an ignorant cowardly wimp for years. Any body who reads his stuff deserves the loss of wasted time from their lives


18 posted on 07/07/2014 11:00:57 AM PDT by RepRivFarm ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell)
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To: garyb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession 1 Vice President of the United States Joe Biden (D) 2 Speaker of the House John Boehner (R) 3 President pro tempore of the Senate Patrick Leahy (D) 4 Secretary of State John Kerry (D) 5 Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew (D) 6 Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel (R) 7 Attorney General Eric Holder (D)

Excellent way to make the point; better than Buchanan's.
19 posted on 07/07/2014 11:01:34 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: circlecity
Because it would accomplish nothing but to rally a disillusioned Obama base. We don’t have the votes to get rid of him and won’t as long as he’s President. It would just be another fail for the Republicans.

Logical fallacy of sorts. Just because of the untintended consequences (whether or not they happen), that is no reason to refrain from doing what is just and right. The colonist wanted to avoid confrontation with Mother England for basically the same premice, that bad things would happen. The fight must be fought to preserve liberty.

My hesitation is that, were BHO to be impeached yet not removed, it would embolden him to press further with his anti-American agenda.

20 posted on 07/07/2014 11:04:50 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon

I, for one, do not want to spook the public against voting for Republican/Conservative senators by talking about impeachment. . . walk softly and carry a big stick. That said, obama deserves to be hauled out and shot for treason.


21 posted on 07/07/2014 11:05:01 AM PDT by RatRipper (No need to rob others; democRATS will steal and share a tiny bit with you.)
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To: rjsimmon

IF you read his points...Pat is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. on all the points he lists.

Unless DIRECT CONNECTIONS can be made to the Pres, none of these accusations stand ground.

UNLESS we have the LIb media that forced Nixon out it won’t work.

And he is right that it would RALLY THE DEM BASE.


22 posted on 07/07/2014 11:21:38 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Bush won the War in Iraq, Obozo lost the peace..and gave Iraq back to the Terrorists!)
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To: RepRivFarm

GET REAL....it won’t happen. He is too protected from all sides, including almost half of our citizens.

nothing connects to HIM, nothing.


23 posted on 07/07/2014 11:24:10 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Bush won the War in Iraq, Obozo lost the peace..and gave Iraq back to the Terrorists!)
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To: circlecity
Pat is absolutely right.

He ( Pat ) or someone wrote an Editorial of his predictions and he has been to many's chagrin more accurate than we might care to believe. Can he be wacky as a bed bug at times? Oh yes. Have a handle on long term History / Body Politic / Cause and Effect? Better than most. I concur, it would be a fools errand, make him use only the powers the Constitution allows, and this is "if" we get the Senate, and a leader who is willing to press on the Rule of Law. If they have Standing and disagree, send it to the Supreme's for the 14th, etc, etc time. Maybe they will fast track if it is truly a wrong move by POTUS.

24 posted on 07/07/2014 11:24:37 AM PDT by taildragger (Not my Circus, Not my Monkey ( Boy does that apply to DC...))
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To: rjsimmon

I think Pat’s reasoning is flawed and his opinion is just plain wrong.

Obama would love the House to file an impeachment proceeding before November. He can rally his base that way, maybe save the Senate.

After November, the House should immediately file impeachment proceedings. They should then hold a vote of no confidence, expedite Boeher’s silly lawsuit and defund Obamacare, the DHS, EPA and other agencies that are out of control.

All that still won’t stop Obama from doing maximum damage he can in the time he has left.

But it is Congress’ duty to impeach Obama and they should do it.


25 posted on 07/07/2014 11:27:24 AM PDT by JT Hatter (Who is Barack Obama? And What is He Really Up To?)
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To: circlecity; rjsimmon
I think Pat makes some good points. However, even though we don't have as strong a legal case on an individual crime, we do have a large number of things to impeach on. His administration is guilty of the following. And even if you give Obama the benefit of the doubt that he only learned about these things from the newspapers, then you have to admit that Obama is incompetent.

  1. Gun running to Mexico.
  2. Ignoring calls for protection and for help in Bengazi.
  3. Rewriting bankruptcy laws in the GM case, stripping bond holders of their rights.
  4. Illegally bombing Libya without Congressional authorization.
  5. Unilaterally rewriting the law on the ACA act.
  6. Refusing to defend laws that were passed by congress and signed by previous Presidents, such as the Defense of Marriage act.
  7. Providing a fraudulent birth certificate to the public.
  8. Refusing to enforce immigration laws resulting in an invasion of illegal aliens.
  9. Transporting and dumping illegals in various parts of the country.
  10. Intimidating the press.
  11. Retribution against whistleblowers.
  12. Inappropriate gag orders such as those given to workers at the immigrant processing sites.
  13. The firing of many military commanders under questionable circumstances and questionable evidence.
  14. The support and arming of Al Quaida.

    Here's 100 articles of impeachment" compiled by teaparty.org.


26 posted on 07/07/2014 11:30:41 AM PDT by DannyTN (I)
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To: taildragger
"He ( Pat ) or someone wrote an Editorial of his predictions and he has been to many's chagrin more accurate than we might care to believe."

I agree. I think Pat is one of the most astute political observers there are and I have never found him "wacky".

27 posted on 07/07/2014 11:32:01 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
IF you read his points...Pat is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. on all the points he lists.

Not entirely and his cause-effect analysis is juvenile.

On the IRS issue, if all anyone is reyling upon is emails, then piecing those together is not impossible. Difficult, yes, but not impossible.

Same with Benghazi. The DOS is in all actuality the responsible party to this and would not be a salient issue in the AOI.

The ACA is one major downfall for BHO. He has usurped congressional authority with EOs and this is entirely impeachable.

Pat's point about the 3 major bodies being against Nixon that are not against BHO is only superficial. Not all of congress supports BHO and the press is becoming more disillusioned. The bureaucracy is dubious. None of which should enter into the equation.

What is the "winning hand" the GOP allegedly has?

Unfortunately, Pat left out the most damning of points: that of aid and comfort to the enemy. This one is a slam-dunk as his release of 5 terrorists that have announced their intentions to return to their previous occupations is sufficient to even the most casual of observers. Prosecutors would have the proverbial hay-day with that one.

28 posted on 07/07/2014 11:32:15 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon; jwalsh07; Paradox
Summed up very well in posts #9 and #10. It would be nothing but theatrics to gin up a race war which BO desperately wants.

If enough Democrats join the call, it would be a different story. But it will never happen.

29 posted on 07/07/2014 11:33:06 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: DannyTN
"we do have a large number of things to impeach on."

but we don't have the votes to get the job done and even if we will the Senate we still won't have the super majority need to impeach. It's a fool's errand.

30 posted on 07/07/2014 11:33:50 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: rjsimmon

What point is there in impeaching Obama and leaving Biden, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Mayonnaisehead-Schultz, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, John Boehner, and the rest of that Ivy League locust swarm eating us out of our fortunes and liberty up in the District of Corruption?

The whole damned nest needs to be knocked down and put to the torch.


31 posted on 07/07/2014 11:38:03 AM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: circlecity
"but we don't have the votes to get the job done and even if we will the Senate we still won't have the super majority need to impeach. It's a fool's errand."

True, I can see it going one of two ways.

1) It makes him and his subordinates more cautious, because the House starts showing backbone.

2) Or it makes him more reckless, and he reaches for even more power.

32 posted on 07/07/2014 11:39:30 AM PDT by DannyTN (I)
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To: garyb

Thank you. Glad Harry is not on the list. Glad to be wrong.


33 posted on 07/07/2014 11:47:43 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: rjsimmon
Despite the obvious partisans in the Senate, by the time AOI makes its way up the chain, the Senate would presumably have a Republican majority and may very well unseat BHO.

There is no realistic scenario in which the Republicans gain the 67-seat supermajority that impeachment requires.

34 posted on 07/07/2014 11:56:00 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: rjsimmon
Obama claims he did not learn of the IRS abuse until years after it began, and weeks after his White House staff learned of it.

In the absence of those emails, the claim cannot be refuted.

In the Benghazi scandal, the president’s defense is the same.

He had no idea what was going on. And cluelessness appears here to be a credible defense. Two weeks after the Benghazi atrocity, Obama was at the U.N. still parroting the Susan Rice line about an anti-Muslim video having been the cause of it all.

Pat seems to think impeachment is some sort criminal matter requiring specific violations of specific laws proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It's not. It's a political act, and high crimes and misdemeanors are whatever a majority of the House and two thirds of the Senate say they are.

Obama's abuse of power is ample reason to remove him.

There is no constitutional case against removing Obama. There is only the argument from political strategy: Don't start it if you lack the votes to finish it.

35 posted on 07/07/2014 11:57:20 AM PDT by cynwoody
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impeachment?

impeachment was on the table when we were just talking about guns to drug dealers that killed hundreds in an attempt to undermine the second Amendment.

impeachment was on the table when our ambassador was killed as 0bama deliberately left two seals to fend for themselves against hundreds, until they were killed after seven hours.

the tune started to change about three months ago when the Citizens Commissison on Benghazi concluded 0bama and crew has switched sides in the war on terror.

these days, I’m hearing the word ‘treason’ more often especially after he released enemy commanders... and now that its come out that 0bama orchestrated this invasion... people have had enough


36 posted on 07/07/2014 12:02:09 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Paradox

Oh yeah, something would come of it all right! Cities would begin rioting and burning all over this country. After the first deaths, the blame would fall squarely on the Republicans. “Because of this high tech lynching and the republican’s visceral hatred for this first black president, people have died.” He was never given a chance due to racism. Oh no, we are much better off letting the clown make a fool of himself for the next few years.


37 posted on 07/07/2014 12:07:19 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: rjsimmon

To me the issue here is NOT what is the best move.....

The issue is the Republican leadership. I don’t see how the can address this issue or any other serious issue with the current Republican leadership? To me the Republican Leadership come across as completely out of touch with their conservative base at best Compromised collaborators that are there to keep their conservative base in check at worse.

The Tea party wing of the Republican Party have to take over the leadership or.... form a new third party. It seems to me that we have been trying the former since 2010, and getting no where fast. So the situation continues to decline.

Now if the latter happened, then I have a feeling that many conservative Republicans would jump ship over time. Yes there would be some initial set back. However, over time a real opposition party would be back in place

Right now the way it is the Democrats are running circles all over the Republicans. The current flood of immigrants is probably going to turn Texas blue which will keep Democrats I in the White House for the foreseeable future.

Something has to change now or say a slow good bye (less than 20 years) to the Republican Party.


38 posted on 07/07/2014 12:29:25 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: rjsimmon

I agree. The process itself would only serve to rally the halfwits in Obama’s base and nothing else. But on the other hand if the Republican wing of Uniparty just lets impeachment in the court of public opinion happen it can get much better results without visible fingerprints.


39 posted on 07/07/2014 12:56:20 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: sr4402

You are more afraid of the walking gaffe Biden than the walking menace MAObama? Biden could not get away with 1/100 of the BS. This demon needs to go NOW! Bob


40 posted on 07/07/2014 1:14:05 PM PDT by alstewartfan (The word is on the street growing day by day, Even the informers know to stay away. Al Stewart)
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To: rjsimmon

I agree with Pat. When things hit critical mass which looks to be coming soon they need to just forcibly remove Oblunder and his entire entourage. Impeachment takes too long and will not lead to removal. It will just overshadow all of the scandals and misdeeds. They can always say they are invoking Article 25 and remove the guy because he is not competent to carry out his duties. That’s not far off the mark.


41 posted on 07/07/2014 1:42:35 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

If the House/Senate refuse to do their Constitutional duty simply because it is not politically expedient, then they all need removed. Forcibly, if necessary. Further, if they will not bring forth AOI, then what makes you think a vote of no confidence would ever happen?


42 posted on 07/07/2014 1:51:22 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon

You either shutdown this criminal government and impeach this criminal President or you will be responsible for thousands of Americans life’s. There is no other choice now. Time to step up to the plate and prove you are a man Pat.


43 posted on 07/07/2014 2:05:43 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
There is no realistic scenario in which the Republicans gain the 67-seat supermajority that impeachment requires.

Getting more and more unlikely that they will even get 51, let alone 67.

44 posted on 07/07/2014 4:20:58 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: itsahoot

even if they had 67 GOP Senators, the chance of impeachment will be nil.

At least half would not vote for it.


45 posted on 07/07/2014 4:22:23 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Enlightened1

Something has to change now or say a slow good bye (less than 20 years) to the Republic.


46 posted on 07/07/2014 4:26:04 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: itsahoot

20 years?

I doubt it lasts that long at this rate.


47 posted on 07/07/2014 4:26:43 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: rjsimmon

pat buchanan is a moron...

my take is if a criminal act has been committed, put the person on trial..

who gives a shit if the senate sides with him?
they will be on record backing a criminal enterprise...

i am waiting for someone, ANYONE, to do the right thing REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES..

but alas, we have republicans in charge of the house, and they are spineless non principiled types of gutless human garbage...

now, remind me why i want a republican held senate too???


48 posted on 07/07/2014 4:37:37 PM PDT by joe fonebone (a socialist is just a juvenile communist)
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To: rjsimmon

thank you for your excellant, reasoned response.

My biggest concern is the nearly half of our citizens who would rather have freebies, not work , thereby sticking with Obama rather than a free country with personal responsibility. that meme fuels my pessimism.
I respect your optimism and activism.


49 posted on 07/07/2014 5:24:57 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Bush won the War in Iraq, Obozo lost the peace..and gave Iraq back to the Terrorists!)
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To: Toespi

Truth be told, we were stupid enough to let blacks hold us hostage, threatening to burn this country to the ground if Obama wasn’t elected, then if he wasn’t reelected. So we’ve been in this mess because the 13% threatened to torch our country and we lack the guts to stand up to these threats.


50 posted on 07/07/2014 6:20:46 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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