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Tea Party should reform the GOP, not splinter it
Washington Examiner ^ | July 7, 2014 | Brett M. Decker

Posted on 07/07/2014 2:27:47 PM PDT by TigerTown

GETTYSBURG, PA – One of the hottest-selling t-shirts at souvenir shops outside Gettysburg proclaims, “If at first you don’t secede, try, try again.”

While the pun is popular among Civil War re-enactors at the historic battlefield, the message also has growing appeal in contemporary politics, especially among fractious Republicans.

On both the Right and the Left, activists are convinced that the Republican Party is not pure enough on their issues, and perhaps it is time to break away and create a new political organization to shake up the system.

“It's hopeless; Republicans are as much at fault as Democrats for the debt bomb rocketing towards $20 billion, and we wouldn't be stuck with Obamacare if it weren't for [Chief Justice John] Roberts, a George W. [Bush] appointee,” fumed a conservative congressional staffer at a Fourth of July barbecue in suburban Washington, D.C.

“The Tea Party needs to cut loose from the establishment that's holding back real reform and make a fresh start,” the staffer said...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
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Third parties are not favorable to conservatives. It's better to focus energy on reforming from within.
1 posted on 07/07/2014 2:27:47 PM PDT by TigerTown
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To: TigerTown

Tell that to the Elites who are using slash and burn Tactics to try to destroy Conservatives at every damned turn...

Remember Mississippi!!!!


2 posted on 07/07/2014 2:30:15 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: TigerTown
Third parties are not favorable to conservatives. It's better to focus energy on reforming from within.

And when they set out to destroy us for attempting to reform them?
3 posted on 07/07/2014 2:30:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: TigerTown

If the GOPe would embrace the tea party movement instead
of trying to smother and destroy it, splintering wouldn’t
be necessary...


4 posted on 07/07/2014 2:30:57 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: TigerTown

Reform what?

The Democrats of the 1960’s and 70’s have more in common with Tea party values than the Repugs today.

I will NOT hold my nose and vote anymore. If that means Obamatrons stay in power, then so be it.


5 posted on 07/07/2014 2:30:57 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: TigerTown

What do you think the Tea Party is trying to do?

And what happened in Mississippi?


6 posted on 07/07/2014 2:32:00 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: TigerTown

When the GOPE start using the same tactics against conservatives as the Democrats, it is time to go somewhere else.


7 posted on 07/07/2014 2:32:30 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GraceG

You have to love the people that really do think they have some in with the GOP where they can “reform” it.

They can waste their time looking like chumps.


8 posted on 07/07/2014 2:33:05 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: TigerTown

We’ve been trying to reform from within. Mississippi is one example of where that has gotten us: an even more corrupt GOP fighting to hang onto their surrender power.


9 posted on 07/07/2014 2:33:41 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: TigerTown

The Tea Party isn’t doing the splintering only exposing who the fake GOP RINOs are by their own actions. If anything the Tea Party is purifying the party.


10 posted on 07/07/2014 2:33:56 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: TigerTown

Welcome to Free Republic.

I suspect your stay here may be tumutuous, and may end up being short.


11 posted on 07/07/2014 2:34:45 PM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing.

How did you come up with that? Liberals are closer to Communists while Libertarians are closer to Anarchists.

We need a new party that starts fresh and does not bring all the historic crap and corruption with it.


12 posted on 07/07/2014 2:36:55 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: MortMan

Dittoes on that. I already looked up this newbie’s posting history. Nothing really stands out (yet) in the few posts he has made.

But this pro-GOPe thread will certainly get the VK’s attention.


13 posted on 07/07/2014 2:37:01 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: TigerTown

The GOOP CANNOT BE REFORMED short of WHOLESALE EXECUTIONS.


14 posted on 07/07/2014 2:37:19 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Eggs must be broken to make the omelet.


15 posted on 07/07/2014 2:38:15 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: mountainlion

Libertopians and leftists are in cahoots, don’t let them fool you. Libertopians want legal drugs, no restrictions on sex, open borders and are willing to negotiate away the rest to get them.


16 posted on 07/07/2014 2:38:17 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: TigerTown
Welcome to Free Republic.

The liberal republican party must be destroyed, either at the primary, or in the general election.

It must be a political kiss of death to run as a liberal republican.

I don't vote for liberals. The republicans have problems running candidates that match their own party platform.

/johnny

17 posted on 07/07/2014 2:39:02 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TigerTown

To put it another way, there is no longer a GOP. There are two Democrat parties.


18 posted on 07/07/2014 2:41:29 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: TigerTown

Fine. Tell the stupid - The GOPe - of the stupid party, to sit down and STFU.

We’re tired of their talking out both sides of their mouth, wer’e tired of them being dem lite. We’re tired of them tellings what we want to hear, what we expect them to do if elected, and then completely disregarding once in office.

And Mississippi was the LAST STRAW! So, according to the stupid people, we’re now racists.

FU and the horse you rode in on.


19 posted on 07/07/2014 2:43:06 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: TigerTown

GOP-elites have been making that claim for years — where are the conservatives going to go?

GOP-elites don’t seem to really care whether they win, as long as those in power and position can retain their status quo. The consultants still get their big checks. The elites still get their invites to the Washington dinner parties.

They LUV the status quo.


20 posted on 07/07/2014 2:43:39 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TigerTown

Any allegience I had to the GOP was hanging by the merest thread. Then came Mississippi. They can take the scare tactics and shove ‘em. I’ve held my nose and eaten the sh!t sandwich for the last time.

And I suspect I’m only one of hundreds of thousands.


21 posted on 07/07/2014 2:44:40 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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To: TigerTown
pure enough on their issues,

LOLOLOL! Pure. What a joke.

The republicans can't manage to make sure their candidates match the party platform.

Purity isn't required. Matching the party platform (no abortion, pro-2nd amendment, no socialized medicine, NO AMNESTY, and smaller government) would be enough.

/johnny

22 posted on 07/07/2014 2:46:12 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: VanDeKoik
You have to love the people that really do think they have some in with the GOP where they can “reform” it.

Oh come on Baby, I won't hurt you next time, I am sure you can change me if you love me enough to vote for me in November.

23 posted on 07/07/2014 2:46:18 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: TigerTown

MS proved beyond a reasonable doubt that reforming the GOP from within IS FOLLY and an impossibility.

It’s as stupid as the insisted belief that if the Colonists petitioned, prostrated and ‘worked within the system of Parliament” that their redress of grievances would be heard and settled.

Separation and Independence are the ONLY options when an institution is thus so corrupted as we have experienced.

Elections are moot at this point forward anyway. We have a Soviet system now.


24 posted on 07/07/2014 2:46:27 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: TomGuy
where are the conservatives going to go?

That's upside down. The GOP can't win without conservatives, where are THEY going to go?

/johnny

25 posted on 07/07/2014 2:47:33 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Even Reagan, who got the nomination and was elected twice as president, was unable to reform the party. In fact, in order to even get backing from the solid elites, he had to name one of ‘theirs’ as his VP. Thus, we got George HW Bush. The party has been moving overtly leftward since Bush.


26 posted on 07/07/2014 2:49:09 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: JRandomFreeper

bump


27 posted on 07/07/2014 2:49:15 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: TigerTown

The GOP needs to find common ground, but it must be common ground within the limited government parameters specified in the Constitution. I’m happy to have a debate on how rapidly FedGov should be shrunk back to its enumerated powers. What I cannot support is a debate over how quickly FedGov should expand to control every aspect of our lives (beyond the current light bulbs, toilet flush volume, size of soft drinks, whether we pay for an employee’s recreational sex and subsequent abortions, etc.).

The GOPe needs to compromise with conservatives on which unconstitutional programs and which ineffective but lawful programs will be eliminated and how quickly. The GOPe needs to compromise with conservatives on whether illegals should be deported; jailed and then deported; or jailed, fingerprinted & DNA swabbed, permanently barred from lawful reentry and from any path to citizenship, and then deported.


28 posted on 07/07/2014 2:49:32 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: GeronL
Libertopians and leftists are in cahoots???

Liberals want huge government and libertarians want no to little government. Liberals want to take away land and close public land to the public such as Agenda 21 while libertarians want full property rights.

Have things changed that much in the last few years?

29 posted on 07/07/2014 2:51:43 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: TigerTown

Why would anybody want to “reform” a rotten and corrupt party? The GOP power structure has sold out principle for power. They are corrupt, they are immoral, they are rotten. The entire structure is rotten.

Now, rotten is what is expected from the dems, but how do you fight rotten with rotten?

Time to raze the rotten old house and build something new...WITHOUT the corrupt PsOS that have corroded the current building.


30 posted on 07/07/2014 2:53:17 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: mountainlion
There is a serious confusion on FR about the difference between a libertarian, and the Libertarian Party.

Some don't see a difference, even though there is a great difference.

/johnny

31 posted on 07/07/2014 2:53:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TigerTown

I generally agree.

But I like the term take it over, or take control, rather than reform.


32 posted on 07/07/2014 2:54:50 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: TigerTown

If the GOPe doesn’t want to get in the back of the bus, they’ll end up under it.


33 posted on 07/07/2014 2:55:37 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: GraceG

Tell that to the Elites who are using slash and burn Tactics to try to destroy Conservatives at every damned turn...

Remember Mississippi!!!!


Nobody said the GOP establishment is going to quit and hand over power to the Tea Party.

But quitting and walking away is not the answer either.

In politics as in war, there is no substitute for winning. The loss of Cantor shows the establishment can be beat. Now we need more victories. Like the saying goes, the establishment will see the light when they feel the heat.


34 posted on 07/07/2014 2:56:28 PM PDT by fifedom
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To: Ingtar
To put it another way, there is no longer a GOP. There are two Democrat parties.

Oh Boy do I agree with that!

I finally convinced a good friend of mine to Go Tea. He was a lifelong Dem.

His 90 year father,on the other hand, is still a stubborn asshole. And this is a college educated scientist who witnessed the first atomic explosion.

Brilliant guy, tho in government so long he thinks the gov has all the answers. Stubborn guy.

35 posted on 07/07/2014 2:57:04 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....should' Nuff said!)
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To: GraceG

“Tell that to the Elites who are using slash and burn Tactics to try to destroy Conservatives at every damned turn... Remember Mississippi!!!!”

I think the GOP Elites may very well get their lesson in the general. Blacks will vote for the Dem candidate same as always. And, Conservatives and TEA Party types will stay home. Thereby, Dem’s will take this seat in the general.


36 posted on 07/07/2014 2:57:50 PM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: TigerTown

The GOP should fight for America not “splinter” it.


37 posted on 07/07/2014 2:58:49 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: TigerTown

This is a different time. Something about what you get when you “lie down with dogs” comes to mind.

There is ZERO chance the GOP will be “reformed”. Why? They have all the money. What do we have? The votes. It’s like a game of chicken. As long as we keep blinking we lose.


38 posted on 07/07/2014 2:59:03 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: fifedom
When liberal republicans start losing to the dems, every single election, then they will feel the heat.

/johnny

39 posted on 07/07/2014 3:01:06 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TigerTown

It’s better to focus energy on reforming from within.

************
I respectfully disagree. I know people who have worked inside the GOP and let me assure you that’s not going to happen. The GOP won’t allow it.

The GOP is controlled by moneyed interests, likes big government and spending almost as much as liberals do, and does precious little to advance real conservative issues.

The GOP only pretends to be conservative; it is a fascade. The party wants our money and our votes, but not our principles. Attempting to reform the party from within in a fool’s errand IMO.


40 posted on 07/07/2014 3:03:40 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: jsanders2001

The Tea Party delivered control of the House to Republicans and what did it get in return? Nothing but harrassment and being marginalized by GOP “leaders”.


41 posted on 07/07/2014 3:04:58 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: TigerTown

I have the answer....Force all liberal Republicans to read Free Republic EVERY DAY :)


42 posted on 07/07/2014 3:05:31 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: TigerTown
RINOs will only go out kicking and screaming and splintering, but go out they will.

I'm serving advance notice that I only vote conservative even if it means dems get the White House.

GOP must put up conservatives or be destroyed.

I said the same thing with Mitt and meant it and the results are amazingly apparent.

I believe the GOP will double down on stupid.

Screw em.

43 posted on 07/07/2014 3:11:17 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: TigerTown

Wrong. We are the enemy. They are our enemy. Simple as that.


44 posted on 07/07/2014 3:14:42 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: AlexW
"I have an answer"

I have a better answer: Switch our govt to a parliamentary democracy

45 posted on 07/07/2014 3:16:14 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: TigerTown
We have been trying to do that for 12 years no to no success.

The Republican Leadership, Karl Rove, John McCain, Mitch McConnel, Lindsey Graham, Mitt Romney (Socialist Medicare), and Paul Ryan (illegal immigration, etc... Have been doing everything they can to collaborate with the Democrats that want to exhaust our resources by flooding it (Cloward Piven Strategy)in order to collapse the United States.

These clowns that signed a rigged agreements like NAFTA and GATT that has exported many of our jobs, the coal industry, which is 50% of our power, being shut down and at the very same time they our flooding country with people will be on government welfare, free housing, free medical, free education. Basically they a slave class that will do whatever the government wants them to do like take away our rights. Even though that is illegal and high treason.

The Globalist (aka Spectre) are imploding our country folks. This is coming from the same people that say they can inside trade, but the average person cannot. They want to bring in the North American Union.

This is what you get when you have one party rule. The current Republican Leadership is completely compromised and have sold out this country. They have to be replaced immediately or the Tea Party has to organize.

The Republican Leadership has sold conservatives out! Repeat the Republican Leadership has sold conservatives and our country out. They have betrayed conservative movement.

46 posted on 07/07/2014 3:24:47 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: TigerTown

Can’t be done. Cochran’s shenanigans in Mississippi just proved that. The GOP-E needs to be burned to the ground and the earth salted underneath it.


47 posted on 07/07/2014 3:35:57 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: TigerTown

The DNC Lite™ does not want to change, as witnessed in Mississippi. They are on their way to becoming the third party.


48 posted on 07/07/2014 3:38:23 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: TigerTown
It's better to focus energy on reforming from within.

What the Hell do you think the Tea Party has been doing?

If it wasn't for the Tea Party, there'd be no Republican majority in the House.

We get attacked by the elites in the GOP, for daring to stick to principles that Republicans are SUPPOSED to be sticking to.

49 posted on 07/07/2014 3:42:20 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: TigerTown

There is obvious reason to prefer that one of the current major parties could be transformed into a conservative, small government, non-corporate cronyist, pro-middle class party.

The rules, however, do not favor that. They favor the moneyed, the insiders, the nepotists. Are we or are we not looking at Bush 3?

Admittedly, it is a pipe dream, but we must return to the original ideas about a republic: electing local electors who we know and trust who gather and pick the president. Democracy is a terrible tyrant.

A democratic election — popular vote victory — is giving in to the power elites.


50 posted on 07/07/2014 3:46:33 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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