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Police Chief in Uniform Told to Leave Gun Outside Ikea
NBSWashington.com ^ | Monday, Jul 7, 2014 | Chris Gordon

Posted on 07/08/2014 3:40:09 AM PDT by Abathar

In 35 years in law enforcement, said the Takoma Park Police chief, he's never had this happen.

He's never had a store tell him that he would have to leave his service weapon in the car or leave the store -- especially when he was in his police uniform.

But that's what happened July 4 in the Ikea in College Park, where Takoma Park Police Chief Alan Goldberg had stopped in with his daughter. Goldberg was in uniform because he had worked that morning at the city's July 4 parade, and would be back on duty that night for fireworks.

In between, he stopped at Ikea to shop for furniture for his daughter's new apartment. And that's when a loss-prevention officer at the store approached him.

"He says we have a no firearms policy, and you're either going to have to leave or you can lock your gun in the car," Goldberg said.

The store has signs posted on the front door that read "Weapons Free Environment."

Neither of those options seemed a good one to the officer.

"It isn't the most prudent thing to do to walk around the store in uniform with an empty holster," Goldberg said. "And I am not going to lock my gun in a commercial parking lot, with people watching me put it in there. That's just ludicrous."

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Well, at least you have to admit that when they take a stupid stand on something they are consistent with it.

1 posted on 07/08/2014 3:40:09 AM PDT by Abathar
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To: Abathar
"It also seems the chief's concerns have made a difference: Monday, at least three armed police officers were seen at the College Park Ikea store at lunchtime."

Yeah, like the chief didn't arrange that little safety inspection to drive his point across...

2 posted on 07/08/2014 3:42:01 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

This is a failure of management to not make clear from the beginning that uniformed police officers are an exception.


3 posted on 07/08/2014 3:43:23 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Abathar

I bet he was shocked to be treated like regular folks instead of being treated like a police.


4 posted on 07/08/2014 3:49:49 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: samtheman

“This is a failure of management to not make clear from the beginning that uniformed police officers are an exception.”

Nonsense; the cop isn’t on duty (and probably broke regulations by shopping in uniform while off duty). If he isn’t working, why should he be any more “safe” than you or me? When cops and their loved ones run the same gauntlet as everyone else, then they’ll stop pushing the gun-control line.


5 posted on 07/08/2014 3:51:02 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Abathar

Bless that sign. Now those who will commit mayhem will have to shrug their shoulders and kill in a different establishment.


6 posted on 07/08/2014 3:52:51 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: samtheman

It’s a stupid policy all the way around.


7 posted on 07/08/2014 3:53:14 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: samtheman
This is a failure of management to not make clear from the beginning that uniformed police officers are an exception.

Why would you make that exception?

8 posted on 07/08/2014 3:53:47 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Abathar
Many shoppers, like Arthur Marshall, said that retailers' no-gun policies should "maybe have an exception for police officers."

Other non-shoppers, like North Mountain, said that retailers' no-gun policies should maybe have an exception for citizens. Government employees are less to be trusted.

9 posted on 07/08/2014 3:54:26 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Rashputin

“Goldberg was in uniform because he had worked that morning at the city’s July 4 parade, and would be back on duty that night for fireworks.”

If the guy was on the job for 35 years, sounds like he’s getting ready to cash out so he’s racking up the OT. A town to the north of me (Rutherford NJ) had a chief retire; at the time he was owed $400K in unused sick time/vacation (on top of his pension). The town, with famously high property taxes already, had to work out an arrangement where he would get that money over three years (all the while paying his replacement as well).

The guy had no reason to 1) be in uniform while he wasn’t working, and 2) openly carry a handgun.


10 posted on 07/08/2014 3:56:49 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Rashputin
I bet he was shocked to be treated like regular folks instead of being treated like a police.

Same treatment as the peasants - shameful just shameful. Doesn't Ikea managment know that police are to be worshiped?

11 posted on 07/08/2014 3:59:10 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: driftdiver

“It’s a stupid policy all the way around.”

No, it is legalese to protect them from lawsuits if there is a shooting in the store. Twenty years ago they wouldn’t have needed the sign, but now with so many un- and underemployed lawyers running commercials all day asking if someone looked at you funny, businesses have no choice.

Look at all the warnings everywhere in a business; they aren’t trying to be killjoys, but rather are often meeting an insurance company’s requirements.


12 posted on 07/08/2014 4:02:47 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Abathar

I see nothing wrong with Ikea’s policy. Keep in mind that Ikea is a European (Dutch) company. I frequently shopped at one in Slovakia. Much of my furniture came from that store. The advantage is that most of their furniture breaks down and fits into flat boxes. The computer work station that I am now using, as well as much of my furniture and kitchen goods came from that Ikea. It was very easy to ship all to the Philippines.


13 posted on 07/08/2014 4:05:31 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Abathar

I wish I didn’t think Ikea was overpriced junk already. Now I don’t have them on my list to cross off. Wait...okay I put them on the list...now lined through.


14 posted on 07/08/2014 4:09:11 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Abathar

in some states, during the time I was a state trooper - you HAD to carry off duty - maintain your badge - and did so without any complaint from stores...

Liberals are setting up the foundation for social mayhem where law abiding citizens will follow the law for fear of prosecution - while the criminal will have free reign out on the public streets.

It’s what the liberals want - an excuse to seize freedoms and marshal in a police state. I see why the Hunger Games is so popular!

I carry concealed - and gamble when I walk in to store that have that policy - not being in LE anymore - but one has to be ready for the welfare zombies ready to launch a emotional outburst! Then again, those stores are where I limit my time in or just not go to anymore. Again, I think that plays in to the liberal agenda of crippling these economically strained stores and will push the “police state” agenda to come sooner than later...


15 posted on 07/08/2014 4:11:35 AM PDT by BCW (Amazon Books: "Babylon's Covert War" - the Iraq conflict explained in detail - by JH White)
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To: Abathar

A GUN FREE sign is an open invitation to anyone who wants to hold it, or its customers, up. I will NEVER shop at Ikea.


16 posted on 07/08/2014 4:11:37 AM PDT by kitkat (StORM HEAVEN WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Abathar
Well if I ever turn bad, I will Rob me a IKEA. Hey they won't be able to stop me. (NO GUNS ALLOWED EXCEPT MINE).
Since I won't be turning bad IKEA CAN KISS MY ASS! ! ! ! !
17 posted on 07/08/2014 4:11:42 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Why would ANYBODY want to be President after the mess ZERO is leaving?)
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To: Abathar

“The store has signs posted on the front door that read “Weapons Free Environment.”

Brilliant.


18 posted on 07/08/2014 4:11:51 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: Abathar
They allow dogs (service animals).

Of course, they wouldn't want them getting shot all over the store.

Bad for business...

(;^D)

19 posted on 07/08/2014 4:14:56 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Abathar

“Oh, your dog is SO dead...” Was the officers response.


20 posted on 07/08/2014 4:19:10 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Abathar

Yesterday I saw a guy riding a motorcycle with a Glock prominently displayed on his hip.

Gave him a thumbs up, though I doubt he saw it.

Not something I ever saw in California...


21 posted on 07/08/2014 4:19:55 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: NorthMountain
Other non-shoppers, like North Mountain, said that retailers' no-gun policies should maybe have an exception for citizens. Government employees are less to be trusted.

True that. How many times have we read about a dog being shot by a civilian with a CCW? Zero?

If Ikea advertises that it's a "weapon-free environment", why should gov't employees get a pass when they are shopping in their free time? No doubt Ikea will modify the policy (and probably fire the manager who made the call) but I give the manager kudos for logical consistency -- something that is rare to the point of being almost unheard of in libs.

(Since Ikea stuff seems to be made mostly out of compressed sawdust and glue, I'm not sure it's as as easy to disassemble and reuse as it is to disassemble and chuck down the garbage chute. I thought that was the business plan -- cheap, disposable furnishings that look good.)

22 posted on 07/08/2014 4:22:12 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: AlexW

Yes. Good inexpensive products. My butt is currently occupying an Ikea chair.


23 posted on 07/08/2014 4:22:47 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: BCW

Here in NJ it is difficult to get a concealed carry permit. I have no problem with this guy being stopped (it wouldn’t have happened if he was carrying his off-duty piece concealed). God forbid he abide by the rules his employers (us) have to live with...


24 posted on 07/08/2014 4:23:21 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Abathar

Loss prevention officer

What they call dumb asses these days


25 posted on 07/08/2014 4:23:50 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Abathar

DISPATCHER: “Any car in the vicinity of Ikea store, there armed men inside robbing store”

OFFICER: “Tell them they have to enforce their weapons free policy first”


26 posted on 07/08/2014 4:28:06 AM PDT by RetSignman (obama: "For the love of Alinsky, how much more do I have to do to get them to impeach me"?)
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To: RetSignman

there armed>>>there are


27 posted on 07/08/2014 4:29:36 AM PDT by RetSignman (obama: "For the love of Alinsky, how much more do I have to do to get them to impeach me"?)
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To: Abathar

Their gun policy is stupid, but I am happy that the off-duty cop received no special treatment. Why should he be treated any differently from any other law-abiding citizen who goes into Ikea?


28 posted on 07/08/2014 4:36:33 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Abathar

Sorry, I am ab Officer of the Law and I am REQUIRED to wear this sidearm. So I can not comply with your silly request.

What are they going to do? Call one of your Officer in to remove you. These companies are just hurting themselves. The vast majority of Americans think things like this are silly at best and just plain ignorant at worst.


29 posted on 07/08/2014 4:42:04 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Abathar

In the event that a criminal should be shooting the place up with a gun he snuck inside, the police should wait outside for him to come out when he is finished. That would seem an adequate way to handle their policy. I won’t be visiting Ikea, by the way.


30 posted on 07/08/2014 4:42:54 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Abathar

IKEA is not weapon free, as the door stated. I was recently in one and there were knives, pens/pencils, cording and rope, glass, etc.


31 posted on 07/08/2014 4:44:51 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Abathar

The chief should disregard the request. He should arrest anyone who tries to interfere with him performing his duties.


32 posted on 07/08/2014 4:45:35 AM PDT by kenmcg (b)
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To: Abathar

OMG. I can not believe this company is that stupid! They basically have publicly claimed that no weapons are ever in their store. So if some nut bag ever would walk in and shoot some people I would sue this asshat company out of business for false advertising........ What a bunch of idiots..........


33 posted on 07/08/2014 4:46:41 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

One reason I so like Missouri. Post all you wish, unless it one of several clearly defined locations in the statutes, I carry concealed anyway. The law clearly sides with the CCW person. If I am asked to leave due to my weapon (which is concealed, BTW) and I don’t, and a peace officer is called, I can be ticketed with a citation ( $35). 2X in a year and I can have my CCW suspended for 6 months. Oooh. Scare me. My weapon is concealed.

I pointed these facts out to my local bank branch (which has a nonconforming sing in the window) and they smiled and said we prefer you guys carry- we have one cop on duty in town and he is 60+, he ain’t likely to run to the guns anyway if someone decided to rob us.


34 posted on 07/08/2014 4:52:21 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: AlexW

Keep in mind that Ikea is a European (Dutch) company

Where was the store located?
I am sure that any American company doing business in any European Country has to follow their rules and laws I would suggest they follow ours in America.


35 posted on 07/08/2014 4:52:34 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Abathar

Some States and many County and local Government REQUIRE their Police to carry at all times. Especially smaller and rural areas where you may be on call at all times. I have bashed the Police often on this forum (for excessive shootings) but in this case the store was wrong PERIOD.


36 posted on 07/08/2014 4:55:21 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Abathar

I would assume homsexual sex is allowed in the restrooms.


37 posted on 07/08/2014 4:57:10 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

“Where was the store located?”
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The store in the news report is in Tacoma, WA.
The IKEA that I have been to is in Bratislava, Slovakia.


38 posted on 07/08/2014 5:03:10 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Rashputin

I was thinking the same thing.


39 posted on 07/08/2014 5:04:45 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: BCW
I remember a time when the biggest scandal with police officers was when restaurants and stores provided major discounts for them when dining or shopping in uniform.

Someone complained that it wasn't fair that these stores got “free” security when other stores didn't supply “free” meals, etc., had to pay for such attention.

40 posted on 07/08/2014 5:06:48 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: Abathar
That the city of Takoma Park let their police even carry evil guns amazes me...
41 posted on 07/08/2014 5:08:53 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: AlexW
"Keep in mind that Ikea is a European (Dutch) company."

Actually they're Swedish.

42 posted on 07/08/2014 5:16:15 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Rome2000

Loss-prevention officer = Rent-a-cop. Mall cops, with more attitude


43 posted on 07/08/2014 5:17:14 AM PDT by Salgak
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To: kearnyirish2

As a citizen of the United States he had every right to openly carry a handgun. He had every right to be in uniform when he was not working, just as you have the right to wear your working clothes when you stop off to run an errand on your way home from work. The store has every right, as a private business, to ban guns from their premises, stupid policy or not.


44 posted on 07/08/2014 5:21:39 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: PLMerite

“Actually they’re Swedish.”
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Yes, my mistake. I have a number of Dutch A-holes where I live. The country sticks in my mind.


45 posted on 07/08/2014 5:22:51 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: jstaff

“He had every right to be in uniform when he was not working, just as you have the right to wear your working clothes when you stop off to run an errand on your way home from work.”

You might want to look into that; I know that is not the case in many departments.


46 posted on 07/08/2014 5:25:05 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kenmcg

“The chief should disregard the request. He should arrest anyone who tries to interfere with him performing his duties.”

Sure - if he was on duty. He wasn’t, and to me that makes a world of difference.


47 posted on 07/08/2014 5:29:29 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Rashputin

I guess I am missing the point of many here. I am in favor of armed police being in a store going about their business. Even if he was officially off duty. What am I missing? Off duty cops will go into action if they find themselves at a crime scene while off duty.


48 posted on 07/08/2014 5:45:33 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Abathar

Maybe this will be enough to make the chief realize how stupid a “weapons free environment”/victim disarmament zone is. If he doesn’t like locking up his (department-issued) firearm in his car, imagine what the rest of us serfs feel like when we have to do the same? At least if his gets stolen from his car the department will replace it.

What do you think the odds are of this police chief turning into a 2A-rights activist as a result of this incident?


49 posted on 07/08/2014 5:51:58 AM PDT by lcms rev
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To: Abathar

You gotta wonder.... they declare it a weapons free environment. Like they frisk people? If you walk in with it concealed its not like they are gonna know.


50 posted on 07/08/2014 5:55:03 AM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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