Skip to comments.Britain's Lost Freedoms: 'We're Living in a Madhouse'
Posted on 07/08/2014 4:49:41 AM PDT by xzins
LONDON - America owes much of its freedom to its British heritage. But today, Britain is losing its freedom.
Many Americans were stunned when British authorities arrested Liberty Great Britain party leader Paul Weston in April for publicly reciting Winston Churchill's criticism of Islam.
The calendar might say it's 2014, but in Britain it's starting to feel like George Orwell's "1984" because "Big Brother" has decided that certain things can no longer be said.
Arrested over Churchill
Weston quoted from Winston Churchill's book, The River War, in which he wrote:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia (rabies) in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith."
As a young officer, Churchill fought Muslim jihadists in Sudan and believed Islam was a dangerous religion.
Weston chose to publicly quote Churchill because he thought that in today's politically correct Britain, comparing Islam to rabies--as Churchill did--would likely get him reported to police and arrested.
"I wanted to make the point that, if it's really become so bad in this country that you can no longer quote the words of the greatest living Englishman, then we really need to look seriously at what we can still say in this country," Weston said.
"We don't have (America's) First Amendment. And speech is rapidly becoming a no-go area if you talk about certain issues. We are living in an absolute madhouse in this country with our free speech laws at the moment," he said.
'You Can't Say That'
In today's Britain, pastors, street evangelists, and political activists all risk being hauled into police stations and either being arrested or warned for speaking out against Islam, immigration, or homosexuality.
British evangelical Pastor James McConnell was questioned by Belfast police for a possible hate crime after a controversial sermon. He spoke about the danger to Britain from radical Islam in which he said, "Islam is heathen. Islam is Satanic. Islam is a doctrine spawned in Hell."
McConnell said he went to the police station voluntarily, and he also apologized. But should he have had to?
"He was expressing a view about a particular religion. You can't have freedom of religion without the freedom to have religious views about particular religions," George Igler, with the Discourse Institute, said of the McConnell case.
It's clear that British pastors have to watch what they say.
Simon Calvert, with The Christian Institute, a legal defense organization, assured CBN News that pastors are still able to preach the whole Bible without being arrested. But he still had some concerns to add.
"There have been some distinct problems in recent years. We have seen a number of cases, typically involving street preachers, of people being told by the police, effectively, 'You can't say that,'" Calvert said.
Law Against Insults
American street evangelist Tony Miano was arrested in Scotland earlier this year for allegedly using 'offensive' language while preaching against sexual immorality.
Police eventually dropped the charges against Miano. Police also dropped the charges against Weston.
But arrests and warnings still have what legal experts call "a chilling effect" on free speech.
Calvert said the speech situation in Britain improved greatly this year with the reform of Section 5 of the Public Order Act, in which insulting someone could be a criminal offense.
He said the law is "every bit as crazy as it sounds. And that law against insults was being used to clamp down on street preachers preaching the gospel."
The law against "insult" was removed from Section 5, but other laws against offending people remain.
"We've made such a big deal out of causing offense," said Anne Marie Waters, a UKIP candidate and head of the website, Shariawatch UK.
"What if you deserve to be offended? Self-censorship is a big problem in Britain. People are afraid to speak. So, in that respect, freedom of speech has been seriously compromised. (Britons are) afraid to say what they think," Waters said.
Britain 'Free' or No?
The experts we interviewed disagreed over whether Britain still has "free speech."
Calvert said it does. However, Weston and Igler agree that when important political and religious speech is blocked, there is no free speech.
"We're ultimately moving toward a situation where, necessarily, the state will have to tell us what kinds of opinions are acceptable and what opinions are not," Igler said.
Weston said he will continue to test Britain's speech laws, to show that speech is longer free.
"You are not going to shut me up. I am going to say it," he said. "If you put me in prison, fine. That's how bad it is now."
You can’t have freedom of religion without the freedom to have religious views about particular religions,”
try saying something about the religion Mormonism, here...
In UK also with the bakery issue -- only this time, it wasn't a wedding cake; it was a cake spelling out "Support Gay Marriage" in the icing -- definitely a speech issue and compulsion to create pro-gay propaganda. The bakery refused, and now they're in deep doo doo with the authorities.
You may be chastised, even flamed, but, as of yet, not arrested : )
I’ve never found the site to be particularly supportive toward Mormonism. I also don’t think they’ve been discriminatory.
We fought the redcoats to get free of their tyrannical king and get our freedom, then defended them from hitler, and we owe our freedom to England?
FIGHT y’all...fight! So disappointing to see a once great country slither away.
We face the same here at home. Just looks much more advanced in Britain.
Anglo-Saxons are under attack. Stand up or fade away.
Weston should stand on the very same spot and quote from the Koran. Let see how quick the PC police arrest him. That exercise would cement the arguement that free speech is a one way street in GB.
Probably 99.9% of people can sing the first line of the refrain.."Rule Britannia..Britannia rules the waves.."
Sadly, only about .l% know the second line...
"Britons never, never will be slaves"
They'd better start learning, and fast, or they will be..
A liberal utopia, who wouldn't want to live there?
*sensible is defined by anti-gunners as a virtual complete prohibition on private firerms ownership, but with plenty of firepower for their beloved JBTs
I suspect that part of the reason behind Britain being so concerned about the feelings of Muslims, is financial pressure by OPEC.
The Brits need the same type “governess” that they have (or had) in Australia who ran all the muzzies off. Trouble is those same rejected muzzies will be flown here.
Lately the trend has been that if you say anything at all POSITIVE about the Mormon Religion on this forum, you will be pretty much skewered.
FWIW, the Mormons have pretty much been chased off of this forum. There was a time when the Admins went out of their way to protect the Mormons but after Romney got the nomination, the gloves came off and the Mormons by and large left the building. A few have stayed because they value the conservative message of Free Republic, but a lot of them have left and although I disagree vehemently with their doctrines I am sad that they felt compelled to leave.
We are only about five years behind them too and gaining speed.
As accurately predicted by the chaps on Monty Python’s Flying Circus in 1970.
0 is the total anthesis of everything I belive in, but the real enemy are those who know what a dangerous POS he is and voted for him.
A man of that age that UNWISE--how does that even happen?
BO is just an opportunist. He's repugnant, and I dislike him on many levels, but at the root, he's just a man who was in the right place at the right time.
As you stated, the people are an issue, but figure that 90% of the population are uninformed fools, who will simply do what they're told.
Nope, IMO, the *problem* is an opposing party who refuses to oppose, and a media who refuses to vet the candidates equally.
I don't totally agree. H. L. Mencken once said "In a sense every election is an advance auction of stolen goods." I believe that those who have a sense of entitlement rather than a work ethic are the core of 0's support. His voters' primary emotion (when voting) is ENVY. Rather that work to raise the lot, they whine and moan about how the "rich" ie anyone who isn't on the dole, are keeping them down and the vile turd in the white house reenforces that thought.
The article says "British heritage" (Christian cultural values, basic legal concepts etc.) not "England".
***Churchill was in one of the last great calvary charges in that battle. ***
And he was smart enough to NOT use a sabre, but a Mauser automatic pistol.
Statism is the religion of the man currently inhabiting the White House.
A recent book about Churchill, Churchill's First War contained much info, including a lot of his letters and newspaper articles, about his 1st combat experiences against the Pashtuns in the Hindu Kush. Some ol' same ol', "there is nothing new under the sun" regarding Islam.
25 And he was smart enough to NOT use a sabre, but a Mauser automatic pistol.
Partly due to a polo injury in which he dislocated his shoulder. While on his 1st punitive expedition in the Hindu Kush, ~ 1897, he had to strap his arm to his torso so that he could ride his horse. He suffered from the effects of that injury the rest of his life.