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Murrieta protesters oversimplify a complex immigration crisis
Los Angeles Times ^ | July 8, 2014 | by David Horsey

Posted on 07/08/2014 7:17:40 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The unwillingness of the House of Representatives to discuss immigration reform — let alone actually pass a bill — has left the debate in the hands of a crowd of screaming hotheads in Murrieta, Calif., who show no inclination to let facts get in the way of their paranoia about brown-skinned hordes subverting the America they revere.

The protesters in Murrieta say there’s a simple solution: Send them back! They neither understand the law nor the complexity of the situation. Unsurprisingly, they are being fed their facts by Rush Limbaugh and other right-wing ranters on talk radio and Fox News who portray the whole thing as part of the liberal Democrats’ heinous plan to change the very nature of American society.

This is not a simple situation and there is no simple solution, so nothing will be gained from oversimplification by either bleeding hearts on the left or the stone-hearted shouters on the right.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; border; illegalaliens; invasion

1 posted on 07/08/2014 7:17:40 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Booo hooo. The people on the ground actually know what’s going on: illegals are being dumped on them, regardless of the context of the law. I don’t see Mr. Horsey offering his bachelor pad to a couple of them.


2 posted on 07/08/2014 7:19:53 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What else would you expect from the mouthpiece of the Mexican government like the LA Times.


3 posted on 07/08/2014 7:19:58 AM PDT by skeeter
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We have more than enough laws and resources in this country to enforce border security....we lack the will to do so.


4 posted on 07/08/2014 7:20:16 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
...screaming hotheads in Murrieta, Calif., who show no inclination to let facts get in the way of their paranoia about brown-skinned hordes...

I see the LA Times geniuses have simplified the problem to racism.

5 posted on 07/08/2014 7:20:32 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This article isn’t worth reading past the headline. Since when is illegal entry “complex”?


6 posted on 07/08/2014 7:20:35 AM PDT by albie
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

7 posted on 07/08/2014 7:21:09 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Another one with all the answers.

He’s a cartoonist - why on earth would anyone listen to him??


8 posted on 07/08/2014 7:21:19 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s only a “complex immigration crisis” to commie morons looking forward to the collapse and destruction of America. Americans know how to take the “complexity” out of it. Seal the border and deport the freeloading, marauding invaders. Not “complex” at all. Their poverty is their own government’s problem.


9 posted on 07/08/2014 7:21:26 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The future must not belong to those who slander bacon.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

AMEN!


10 posted on 07/08/2014 7:26:15 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
By law, the "children" can only remain if they are the victims of human trafficking.

If you want to go that route, Ubama/Holder are the ones engaged in the human trafficking, therefore Ubama/Holder should be prosecuted under human trafficking statutes.

11 posted on 07/08/2014 7:28:36 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Maybe it is complicated for stupid liberals but your average citizen has a good grasp on what is going down.


12 posted on 07/08/2014 7:28:49 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

All the dems want to discuss about immigration is “total amnesty”.

The take away is, if the current royalty and the congress aren’t going to protect this country from invasion, then it falls to the states and the people.


13 posted on 07/08/2014 7:29:31 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“They neither understand the law nor the complexity of the situation.”

Guess what? The situation is not complex. These people are here illegally. Enforce the laws on the books, and deport them.


14 posted on 07/08/2014 7:29:49 AM PDT by Boogieman
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For David Horsey:

Get a Webster’s Dictionary and look up the word “illegal”


15 posted on 07/08/2014 7:31:36 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: albie

Right. When I call the police about a burglar in my house, they damn well better not tell me it’s a “complex situation and I don’t understand the law”, and maybe he has a right to stay there.

Of course, if I were calling the police about a burglar, they wouldn’t have the option of letting him stay, because the coroner would need to get him down to the morgue to perform the autopsy, but you see what I mean.


16 posted on 07/08/2014 7:31:54 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No, it is very, very simple. Open borders to a welfare state is a recipe for disaster. Our bum politicians in Washington on both sides of the aisle REFUSE to SECURE THE BORDER. When the border is secure, the crisis is over and the problem is solved. Turn the #@%&*#! busses south instead of north and take them home if you have to. . . very, very SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


17 posted on 07/08/2014 7:31:55 AM PDT by RatRipper (No need to rob others; democRATS will steal and share a tiny bit with you.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

>> The unwillingness of the House of Representatives to discuss immigration reform — let alone actually pass a bill — has left the debate in the hands of a crowd of screaming hotheads in Murrieta

How utterly moronic. “Immigration reform” has nothing whatsoever to do with enforcing existing law. NOTHING!

>> a crowd of screaming hotheads in Murrieta, Calif., who show no inclination to let facts get in the way of their paranoia about brown-skinned hordes subverting the America they revere.

That’s it, throw the race card. That’s all the LA Times has.

Our “path to citizenship” is the most generous in the world. Many follow it. Many others do not.

Those who do not follow our law do so with incredible arrogance. After violating our law to enter, they demand to be forgiven, they demand social services, they demand citizenship thus cheating those who do follow our laws, and some even interfere with our government proceedings.

They are not “in the shadows” they are brazenly marching in the streets making demands.

Every one of them insults those who follow our laws. Every one of them insults U.S. citizens.

They are in our country against our laws and they have the audacity to march in our streets and make demands.


18 posted on 07/08/2014 7:31:56 AM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: Maverick68

Its not a lack of will, this is deliberate policy.

The elites in both parties benefit from this.

If illegals were all conservative republicans who demanded high wages. How long do you think it would take for the border to be closed. Hint, 24 hours.


19 posted on 07/08/2014 7:35:11 AM PDT by crusher2013
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

David Horsey is the racist who drew cartoons of Condoleeza Rice being hit by falling watermelons.


20 posted on 07/08/2014 7:35:59 AM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Immigrants in the 19th and early 20th centuries that came through Ellis Island were processed. At the time, America was not cash strapped and bleeding out the eyes and a$$ with social programs. Immigrants of that time learned English, the American way of life and BECAME Americans. Immigrants today, especially from Central America and Mexico have no intention of becoming American. All they want is money and to extend their third world country into the United States. They demand that we conform to there way of life or face accusations of racism, bigotry, and Nazism. They continue the way of life they escaped and pass it on their children. Again they have NO DESIRE OR INTENTION of becoming American.


21 posted on 07/08/2014 7:38:52 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why don’t we drop the ILLEGALS at the LA Times office? The libs can show us the definition of love and compassion as they take care of these poor people.


22 posted on 07/08/2014 7:45:04 AM PDT by BerniesFriend (Sarah Palin-"Lord knows she's attractive" says bitter Andrea Mitchell and the rest of the MSM)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I love how everything is supposed to be “too complicated” for us rubes to understand. They’ve got it right. There is no logical reason to take illegals to a rural area way North of the border unless you want them to stay there and provide cheap labor to the ruling elite.


23 posted on 07/08/2014 7:47:00 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Over simplify the immigration process?What a load of Bull Excremant.

The easiest and most cost effective way to control Immigration is to make it more difficult to enter this country and to do that have only limited Official Points of entry.

Since the Mexioco/U.S. Border is the Busiest it should be protected by a double row concrete barrier capped with razor wire.That fence needs to cover the entire southern border as practical.Depending on geographic obstructions.

That would not only be a physical barrier it would also be a psychological barrier.discouraging many illegals from making the attempt to come here.

Once that is done the nation can be very selective as too who it allows to immigrate.People that come here should have something to offer that can benefit our Society.Not just come here and sponge off of our Taxpayers.


24 posted on 07/08/2014 7:47:34 AM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Thought and logic are alien to liberals.

Immigration, world poverty and gumballs

25 posted on 07/08/2014 7:49:00 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

David Horsey spells his last name wrong.


26 posted on 07/08/2014 7:53:22 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

David Horsey LA Times Cartoonist Scribe Deems Koch Brothers Worse Than Corrupt Democrats

By Jack Coleman | April 9, 2014

Press Here

LA Times Cartoonist Capitalizes on Aurora Tragedy By Portraying NRA As Callous

By Matt Vespa | July 24, 2012

Because they have let the most extreme elements of the gun-rights community dictate gun policy for the entire country and now they are afraid to cross them. For conservatives, this is not the time for a discussion about guns because, no matter how much blood is spilled, even in preventable circumstances, it is a discussion they never plan to have.

27 posted on 07/08/2014 7:54:25 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; All
There are six reader comments so far at this Los Angeles Times website. These are comments from readers of the liberal L.A. Times, in leftist Los Angeles.

ALL SIX OF THEM sound just exactly like they were written by FReepers. For an even bigger eye-opener, read the nearly 2,000 comments revealing how Angelenos really feel about illegal immigration following the pap story about Hundreds March in Downtown LA to Support Immigrant Rights at CBS Los Angeles.

We are ALL allowing ourselves to be distracted. The REAL story is not what Obama is doing or what's going on in Murietta or at City Hall in downtown LA. The REAL story of what is going down in America, remains unreported in the official news pages, but is nonetheless being told LOUD AND CLEAR in the comments section of mainstream news organs such as LA Times and CBS Los Angeles.

The REAL story is that the vast majority of Americans think EXACTLY LIKE WE FREEPERS DO -- except they are angrier than we are -- about Obama's administration, illegal immigration, and liberalism. That is the REAL story that we MUST UNDERSTAND if we want to win our country back.

28 posted on 07/08/2014 8:12:11 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It is very much a SIMPLE situation with a SIMPLE solution

ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS, the very idea that we need a New Law because we refuse to enforce the Old Law is patently absurd.


29 posted on 07/08/2014 8:14:25 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

by David Horse’s ASS.

Fixed it!


30 posted on 07/08/2014 8:28:34 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

it gets real simple when the buses pull up next to your neighborhood

move over Malibu and Beverly Hills
It’s your turn


31 posted on 07/08/2014 8:30:49 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Somebody, IN THE UNITED STATES, is going to have to pay for these kids. Every dollar that the liberals take from me in taxes to spend on these kids is a dollar I don’t have to spend on my kids and grandkids. Is that fair?


32 posted on 07/08/2014 8:35:26 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Maverick68
We have more than enough laws and resources in this country to enforce border security....we lack the will to do so.

According to Obama, the immigration law is so broken that, "nobody knows what it is."

I heard him say think in the Rose Garden with my very own ears.

33 posted on 07/08/2014 8:35:52 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: albie

Usually, when a liberal says “it’s more complicated than that”, it means that they don’t have a common sense, rational argument in support of their position, and are relying mostly on the emotional “feel” of the issue instead.


34 posted on 07/08/2014 8:37:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Finny
That is the REAL story that we MUST UNDERSTAND if we want to win our country back.

I was once told that there are two things that every man thinks he can do better than any other man.

1. Grill a steak
2. Coach his favorite football team.

I love FReepers who declare whatever to be a distraction and the REL STORY is OVER THERE.

Just a little light heartedness here. Your main point is good and well taken.

35 posted on 07/08/2014 8:41:39 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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I heard him say think in the Rose Garden with my very own ears.

say that thing...

On a typo roll today

36 posted on 07/08/2014 8:46:41 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

the simplest explanation is generally the correct explanation.

Those that want to call it “complex” are just dissembling for political advantage.


37 posted on 07/08/2014 8:49:05 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Cal Thomas wrote an good article here

Wonderful quote - to refresh our memories:

"In the first place we should insist that the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equity with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming an American and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any flag of a nation to which we are hostile. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt in a letter to the American Defense Society in 1919. "Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or to leave the country," he said in a statement to the Kansas City Star in 1918. "English should be the only language taught or used in the public schools." “We can have no "50-50" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.”

Theodore Roosevelt 1919

looks like we've been fighting this battle a L-O-N-G time.

Amazing how so few voices are being heard over the roar of the angry crowd (who are tired of the endless stream of border-crossers)

Bottom line: our government is encouraging illegal behavior.

Sadly, another fallout of Obama/PelosiCare: it's opened the floodgates for those seeking free healthcare!

38 posted on 07/08/2014 9:09:52 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Guns are not the problem. People are. Forget the magazine...check your attitude.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

David Horsey obviously does NOT live in the Southwest part of the USA.


39 posted on 07/08/2014 9:23:27 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: kcvl

Perhaps Horsey should consider a good floss, teeth whitener and brushing?


40 posted on 07/08/2014 1:34:49 PM PDT by albie
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To: ridesthemiles

Horsey was born in Evansville, Indiana and moved to Seattle, Washington at age 3.

In 1986, he earned a master’s degree in international relations from the University of Kent in England.

******

So that makes him smarter than the rest of us who live in flyover country. /s


41 posted on 07/08/2014 2:01:08 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Seems pretty simple to me.


42 posted on 07/09/2014 4:53:03 AM PDT by jospehm20
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