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[Ireland] Bakery refuses to make cake supporting gay marriage
RTE ^ | 7/8/2014

Posted on 07/08/2014 7:32:12 AM PDT by markomalley

A Christian bakery owner who refused to make a cake with a slogan supporting gay marriage has said he should be allowed to run his business according to his religious beliefs.

Ashers Baking Company could face legal action from an equality watchdog after declining an order for the cake with the Sesame Street puppets Bert and Ernie on top.

The gay rights activist customer who ordered the cake also wanted the logo of a campaign group called Queerspace included.

The bakery is based in Northern Ireland, the only part of the UK where same-sex marriage is not legal.

The company was named after a verse from the Bible, which refers to "Bread from Asher".

Ashers was founded in Newtownabbey, north of Belfast, in 1992 and is run by the McArthur family.

The Christian directors oversee six shops in Northern Ireland and employ 62 people.

General manager Daniel McArthur said: "I would like the outcome of this to be that any Christians running a business could be allowed to follow their Christian beliefs and principles in the day-to-day running of the business and that they are allowed to make decisions based on that."

Gay marriage is a highly divisive issue in Northern Ireland and while the bakery's decision has been backed by Christian advocacy groups it faced criticism from gay rights organisations who argue that discrimination in delivering services is illegal.

The devolved assembly at Stormont has rejected several attempts to change the law on gay marriage and local politicians have intervened on both sides of the bakery debate.

Mr McArthur said the customer placed the order at the Belfast branch a number of weeks ago and it was considered by company head office, which decided it was at odds with the organisation's beliefs.

He said: "It certainly was in contradiction with what the Bible teaches and on the following Monday we rang up the customer to let him know that we could not take his order."

The firm gave a full refund but six weeks later received a letter from the Equality Commission, which helps those who complain of discrimination.

Mr McArthur said the commission claimed his firm had discriminated against the customer on the grounds of his sexual orientation.

He added: "It asked us to propose how we would recompense the customer for this discrimination. It also said it would pursue legal proceedings if we didn't respond within a seven-day time period."

His firm asked the Christian Institute for advice and it is providing legal assistance.

Mr McArthur said: "I feel if we don't take our stand with this case then how can we stand up against it further down the line, certainly from an equality point of view?

"Although we have found this experience unsettling and disruptive to our day-to-day business we are certainly convinced that we have made the right decision.

"We do continue to take the stand and stance that we do take."

The bakery has released a video commenting on the case. 

(video at link)

Alliance Party member Andrew Muir said the cake was ordered for an event he hosted when mayor of North Down Borough Council.

He said another bakery stepped in and produced the cake to help mark International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia in Bangor town hall, Co Down.

Mr Muir said: "I fully support the action taken against this bakery. Businesses should not be able to pick and choose who they serve.

"There would not be any debate if the cake had depicted an anti-racism or anti-ageism slogan, nor should it require intervention from the Equality Commission for this cake for Anti-Homophobia Day.

"It is ridiculous for this bakery to suggest that they would have to endorse the campaign.

"For Northern Ireland to prosper and overcome our divisions we need a new society where businesses are willing to cater for all, regardless of religious views, political opinion, disability, race, age, sexual orientation, marital status, gender and other backgrounds."

Gavin Boyd, a gay rights campaigner with the Rainbow Project in Northern Ireland, supported the customer's discrimination case but said he hoped the matter would not proceed to costly court hearings and the supreme court had already made its view clear.

"I would encourage companies to make business decisions that would be in the best interests of the profit margins of the companies."

The commission said it provided assistance to those who complain of suffering unlawful discrimination.

"In this case the commission has granted assistance to the complainant and has written to the company concerned on his behalf.

"The commission will consider any response before taking further action."

The Christian Institute's director, Colin Hart, said the case was a sign of things to come.

He claimed: "The government repeatedly failed to listen to members of the public, lawyers, constitutional experts even its own MPs when they called for safeguards to protect those who back traditional marriage, whether at work or in business.

"All the McArthurs want is to run their bakery according to their Christian beliefs. There won't be many situations where they need to turn down an order but this is obviously one of them.

"No-one should be forced to use their creative skills to promote a cause which goes against their consciences.

"Imbalanced equality laws are making it increasingly hard for people, especially Christians."

He said millions of ordinary people who do not agree with gay marriage face intimidation and the real threat of legal action from the forces of political correctness if they, out of conscience, decline to provide goods or services to campaign groups they do not agree with or support.

"It establishes a dangerous precedent about the power of the state over an individual or business to force them to go against their deeply-held beliefs."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda

1 posted on 07/08/2014 7:32:12 AM PDT by markomalley
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They should just go ahead and bake the cake, but include castor oil, or some other laxative in the recipe. They won’t be bothered by these scumbags again!


2 posted on 07/08/2014 7:34:49 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: markomalley

We need to start buying “Gays Rot In Hell” from gay bakers. Only way to stop this nonsense.


3 posted on 07/08/2014 7:35:00 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: markomalley
RE :”A Christian bakery owner who refused to make a cake with a slogan supporting gay marriage has said he should be allowed to run his business according to his religious beliefs”

In the US the bakery should be able to refuse to put messages on their cakes, its just denying the cake to same sex couples that the courts will uphold fines against.

The first is a free speech issue.

4 posted on 07/08/2014 7:38:42 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: DaxtonBrown

If these bureaucrats let this go they will be reducing their case load. As always more self-serving govt. personnel.


5 posted on 07/08/2014 7:38:56 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: DaxtonBrown

Except the law only goes in one direction these days. I am not sympathizing with neo-nazis, but a couple of years back when one tried to get a cake praising Hitler, he was refused.

I think any business has a right to refuse customers, for any reason.


6 posted on 07/08/2014 7:39:39 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: markomalley

Once again, the sodomites are lying. The bakery isn’t picking and choosing whom they will serve as customers, they are choosing to not support the sodomite agenda. There’s a difference, and the sodomites know it, but as usual, lie to serve their evil agenda.


7 posted on 07/08/2014 7:41:59 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: markomalley

Simple solution:
Decorate the cake with something they all like to taste.


8 posted on 07/08/2014 7:43:10 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: markomalley

who owns the rights to bert and ernie? certainly not the bakery.


9 posted on 07/08/2014 7:43:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Gunpowder green

That would defeat their purpose in taking this stand, and also undermine the fact that they’re not discriminating against certain people, but are choosing to not support the sodomite agenda. They would undoubtedly bake for the sodomites a birthday cake which didn’t support the sodomite agenda.


10 posted on 07/08/2014 7:43:48 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: sickoflibs

Exactly, and a religious freedom issue. I have yet to hear of the sodomites suing Muslims for not selling pork. Also, I have yet to hear of the sodomites suing the Muslim taxi drivers who explicitly refused to take sodomites to the so-called “gay games”.


11 posted on 07/08/2014 7:45:32 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Gunpowder green; All
or *oppsss!* ..ex-lax™ as frosting.

12 posted on 07/08/2014 7:48:43 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Jihadist/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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RE :”Exactly, and a religious freedom issue. I have yet to hear of the sodomites suing Muslims for not selling pork. Also, I have yet to hear of the sodomites suing the Muslim taxi drivers who explicitly refused to take sodomites to the so-called “gay games”

The cases I saw where the bakeries were ruled against, it sounded like they refused to bake them a cake, not about the cake decorations.

Now wedding photography is a more difficult one to get around, its about taking images of the same sex couple.
The new rights and the religious beliefs (against gay marriage) are right on top conflicting with one another.

Maybe they could require a certain dress standard in the photos, must wear a bride and grooms outfits.

13 posted on 07/08/2014 7:54:04 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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14 posted on 07/08/2014 7:56:21 AM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: sickoflibs

The ones I’ve read of here on FR, each case was that they explicitly refused to bake a cake explicitly decorated to support a sodomite wedding.


15 posted on 07/08/2014 7:56:49 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: sickoflibs

And in at least one case, the sodomites who sued were longstanding customers of the Christian bakery which they sued.


16 posted on 07/08/2014 7:57:36 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Rio

those are the propaganda pieces pushed by homosexuals to attack children.


17 posted on 07/08/2014 7:58:40 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: markomalley

Make it with a big fat turd buried in the center.


18 posted on 07/08/2014 8:05:46 AM PDT by TonyM
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To: Gunpowder green

Ex Lax can make great chocolate frosting! “Ooogah!”


19 posted on 07/08/2014 8:07:02 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: mrsmel
RE :”The ones I’ve read of here on FR, each case was that they explicitly refused to bake a cake explicitly decorated to support a sodomite wedding”

Did it go into detail?
Because the ones I read were very vague about that.

What specifically were the required decorations compared to normal ones?

You have an example of what you saw?

20 posted on 07/08/2014 8:10:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs

Never insult the person who serves your food.


21 posted on 07/08/2014 8:30:38 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (GM is dead and Al Queada is alive.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Easiest way out was Bert and Ernie are Copyrighted characters and cannot be used!


22 posted on 07/08/2014 9:44:34 AM PDT by DocJhn
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To: markomalley

Would someone please finally get down to business and sue a queer owned Bakery for not making a cake that quotes the Bible verse that calls fudge packers an abomination?


23 posted on 07/08/2014 10:17:04 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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