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Airbus: Pilots don't really need windows
Seattlepi.com via SFGATE ^ | 07/02/2014 | AUBREY COHEN

Posted on 07/08/2014 9:03:51 AM PDT by DFG

Future airliner flight decks may do away with windows and move out of the nose of the aircraft, according to Airbus.

The European airplane maker filed a patent application Dec. 23, published June 26, for a flight deck that relies mostly or entirely on electronic viewscreens.

The first advantage is aerodynamic, since flight deck windows require interrupting the ideal scalpel shape of the nose, Airbus wrote. Also, big windows and the reinforcement required for them add weight to the aircraft.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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1 posted on 07/08/2014 9:03:51 AM PDT by DFG
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2 posted on 07/08/2014 9:05:46 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

I wonder if they get ESPN on that thing?


3 posted on 07/08/2014 9:08:17 AM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: DFG

In the future airplanes with have a cockpit with only a man and a dog. The man’s job is to feed the dog and the dog’s job is to bite the man if he tries to touch anything.


4 posted on 07/08/2014 9:08:18 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Bratch

it’s just not the same know that i know Sulu’s meat gazing


5 posted on 07/08/2014 9:08:19 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: DFG
We don't need no windows!


6 posted on 07/08/2014 9:08:33 AM PDT by carriage_hill ( Incoming fire always has the right of way.)
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To: DFG

How will they be able to see UFO’s?


7 posted on 07/08/2014 9:09:02 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: DFG

Next it’ll be airplanes don’t need pilots.


8 posted on 07/08/2014 9:09:03 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: DFG

Charles Lindbergh crossed the atlantic in an aircraft with no forward visibility and only two small side windows.


9 posted on 07/08/2014 9:10:01 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: DFG

I agree. I’d go even further: why have a human flight crew at all? Most of the current flight operations are done by computer. All the human pilots do is stand by for situations that may require an intervention. More often than not, the intervention is the wrong one.


10 posted on 07/08/2014 9:10:30 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: carriage_hill

Real? Photoshop? Where? When?


11 posted on 07/08/2014 9:11:14 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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To: tanknetter

Lindbergh had forward visibility (barely) by way of a periscope.

OTOH, this is the obvious next step in a glass cockpit. You can give the pilots (theoretically) superior visibility around the aircraft with lots of cameras. It could work wonderfully ... until it doesn’t. With no windows, there’s no backup system.


12 posted on 07/08/2014 9:12:59 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: DFG

No Windows = No fun


13 posted on 07/08/2014 9:14:15 AM PDT by BillyBonebrake
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To: PGR88
How will they be able to see UFO’s?

As is well known, UFO's communicate telepathically, so windows are not needed by sensitive and open-to-new-experiences pilots. F-104s had windows but that didn't prevent the Luftwaffe from flying four of them in perfect formation into a Bavarian Alp.

yarchive.net/mil/german_f104_losses.html

14 posted on 07/08/2014 9:16:23 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: InterceptPoint

IIRC, that was a huge RC model (BIG) that someone crashed...


15 posted on 07/08/2014 9:16:47 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I love it. Gave me the laugh of the day!


16 posted on 07/08/2014 9:17:15 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Chainmail

In the realm of totally computer controlled flight, the phrase “blue screen of death” takes on new significance.


17 posted on 07/08/2014 9:17:48 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: DFG
Early in the design of Concorde, it was thought difficult/impossible to have flight deck windows, given extremes of temperatures, etc. Pilots would have nothing to do with the notion.

When all else fails, you need a human being. Recall the incident in Barcelona just a few days ago...
18 posted on 07/08/2014 9:18:21 AM PDT by Nepeta
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To: DFG

I wonder how that would have worked out in Barcelona in the last week or so...


19 posted on 07/08/2014 9:19:35 AM PDT by tje
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To: Nepeta

Speaking of the Concorde, wasn’t the cockpit essentially windowless except for when the nose was hinged down for takeoff and landings?


20 posted on 07/08/2014 9:20:59 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: DFG

Ha! Good post.

I wonder what Captain Sullenberger and the passengers on his plane would think about this idea?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549


21 posted on 07/08/2014 9:21:11 AM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: DFG
filed a patent application Dec. 23, published June 26, for a flight deck that relies mostly or entirely on electronic viewscreens

I wonder how many pilots are in on that opinion!

IIRC they didn't want to put windows in the Mercury space capsule, either - until the astronauts got involved.

22 posted on 07/08/2014 9:21:32 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: DFG

And ocean liners no longer need lifeboats.


23 posted on 07/08/2014 9:21:33 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: MUDDOG
Next it’ll be airplanes don’t need pilots.

Pilots No Longer Required
24 posted on 07/08/2014 9:21:39 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cheerio; Chainmail

I like it. Chainmail also made a good point in Post #10.


25 posted on 07/08/2014 9:26:02 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: DFG

If we don’t need pilot windows in planes?

Do we need pilots in planes?


26 posted on 07/08/2014 9:26:32 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obama's Storm of Illegal immigrants, = new democrat voters and His Katrina Moment!)
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To: DFG

Why not just build the fuselage skin out of transparent aluminum? The whole thing then becomes a window.


27 posted on 07/08/2014 9:30:58 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: DFG

what could possibly go wrong?


28 posted on 07/08/2014 9:31:33 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: DFG

No Windows ? Microsoft will NOT be happy about this. . .


29 posted on 07/08/2014 9:33:15 AM PDT by Salgak
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To: DFG

This negates the effect of the blinding reflective glare of the VAST arrays of solar panels that are to be installed across every square mile of the world.


30 posted on 07/08/2014 9:36:43 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: tanknetter

and no competing air traffic or towers.


31 posted on 07/08/2014 9:37:32 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Nepeta

The first Mercury capsule had no windows until the astronauts forced it.


32 posted on 07/08/2014 9:39:14 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Chainmail

My flying days are over for many reasons (one I cannot carry, two people stink, three no groping allowed...), but I will flat refuse to the point of violence to board an aircraft that has no pilot.


33 posted on 07/08/2014 9:42:38 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Chainmail

Sorry,you are incorrect. Fully autonomous flight is reserved for toys and some weapon systems. The current state of the art requires thousands of decisions and action for an automated airliner to fly from one place to another. There is no such thing as a computer managed airliner. There are highly integrated computer systems in airliners, but a pilot controls them all.


34 posted on 07/08/2014 9:44:06 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: CrazyIvan
Pilots don't really need windows . . .

And neither do (freight train) engineers, apparently.

35 posted on 07/08/2014 9:44:10 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Resolute Conservative

Just make it a complete robotic operation. Customers sit down, door shuts and everyone is put to sleep. Robot flies plane, no flight attendants necessary. 10 minutes before plane lands, wake everyone up.


36 posted on 07/08/2014 9:46:02 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (GM is dead and Al Queada is alive.)
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To: DFG
Because the avionics and flight control software will work flawlessly, maybe I will avoid those planes till the bugs are worked out.


37 posted on 07/08/2014 9:48:14 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: DFG

The heck with the pilots. How about cameras mounted around the plane, with video monitors for the passengers? I’d love to have a bird’s eye view when flying.


38 posted on 07/08/2014 9:58:10 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: tanknetter

He had a periscope for forward vision. They replaced his windshield with a fuel tank.


39 posted on 07/08/2014 10:09:26 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: rlmorel

Its a screen capture from a flight sim.


40 posted on 07/08/2014 10:10:37 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: DFG; Former Fetus

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3177483/posts

Planes almost collide in dramatic runway near-miss at Barcelona airport
The Telegraph ^ | 7/8/2014
Posted on 7/8/2014 9:33:43 AM by Former Fetus

This is the terrifying moment two passenger jets came seconds from crashing into each other at Barcelona airport.

The heart-stopping moment two passenger planes avoided a catastrophic collision was caught on camera on Saturday.

Footage shows a Boeing 767 from the Russian airline UTair coming in to land on a runway at Barcelona’s El Prat Airport. But with the plane just feet from touching down, an Aerolineas Argentineas Airbus A340 slowly taxis across the runway, forcing the still-airborne pilot to respond to the emergency by pulling back into the air.

The quick-thinking pilot of the UTair jet landed the plane safely after circling around.

Plane enthusiast Miguel Angel caught the moment on film, describing it as “one of the worst experiences I have ever had”.


41 posted on 07/08/2014 10:15:30 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Obama's Storm of Illegal immigrants, = new democrat voters and His Katrina Moment!)
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To: DFG

No way would I ever board a plane where the pilot can’t look out the window to see the runway...It their scenario, the pilot doesn’t even need to board the plane...No thanks, I’m not going to fly in a drone...


42 posted on 07/08/2014 10:24:20 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: InterceptPoint

Looks like Radio Control. Website source for the image appears to confirm this.


43 posted on 07/08/2014 10:29:24 AM PDT by xander
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To: Tzfat
"Sorry,you are incorrect. "

Well you should be sorry.. Modern aircraft are flown on autopilot throughout near the whole flight regime. There have also been autolanding systems in effect since the Lockheed L1011 in the early '70s.

The loss of that Air France flight over the Atlantic was due to the pitot tubes failing, which caused the autopilot to read the flight situation incorrectly and when the pilots took over, they made very poor decisions and destroyed the airplane and everyone in it.

The "thousands of decisions" pilots make are inputting waypoints into the navigation system, various radio calls when required, and whether their coffee should have cream and sugar or not.

Wasn't there a recent transatlantic flight where the flight crew fell asleep through most of it? Proves my point, doesn't it?

44 posted on 07/08/2014 11:32:28 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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I don't understand why "No windows" turned into "No Pilots". No windows doesn't mean No visibility. It means that instead of using glass panels that the pilot looks through, you use cameras and screens that the pilot looks at. Besides the advantages that are cited in the article, with more cameras from different vantage points, you actually increase his visibility, not decrease it.

I would guess that it might take some time for an older pilot to get used to, and I would certainly appreciate a VERY well tested system. Robust and redundant are two words that come to mind.

As for getting rid of pilots; I would say from a passenger perspective, we are not quite ready for that. Thank God!

45 posted on 07/08/2014 12:31:32 PM PDT by Wingy
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To: Moonman62
Speaking of the Concorde, wasn’t the cockpit essentially windowless except for when the nose was hinged down for takeoff and landings?

If I remember correctly, no. Technology moved on and the windshield issue was solved. It's been almost 30 years since I read a book about the development of Concorde.

An incredibly beautiful plane in flight.
46 posted on 07/08/2014 2:18:13 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: Chainmail

You are talking to a 30-year airline pilot. You have no clue.


47 posted on 07/08/2014 2:45:16 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat
"You are talking to a 30-year airline pilot. You have no clue."

Started out in DC-3s, did we? Well, move aside grandpa, things are changing. Automation of most everything is almost here. We can count on pilotless combat aircraft for almost all missions, Unattended Ground Vehicles for many forms of ground combat, Unattended Sea Vehicles, the whole nine yards. Removing human error is the direction technology is taking, count on it.

No offense, Buddy, but things always change. I was in artillery for nearly 40 years but I was the Program Manager for the world's first completely automated artillery system. Works, fine, hits what it's supposed to, no people.

48 posted on 07/08/2014 4:32:18 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: pfflier
I didn't look that carefully at it, but I thought it was this:

Giant A-380 RC flight

I thought I had heard the guy ran it into the ground by accident...guess I was wrong!

49 posted on 07/08/2014 7:12:58 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
"...Robot flies plane, no flight attendants necessary. 10 minutes before plane lands, wake everyone up..."

I don't know why, but putting that at the end like that hit my funny bone!

"When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my old Uncle Floyd, not kicking, screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car..."

50 posted on 07/08/2014 7:20:49 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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