Skip to comments.Airbus: Pilots don't really need windows
Posted on 07/08/2014 9:03:51 AM PDT by DFG
Future airliner flight decks may do away with windows and move out of the nose of the aircraft, according to Airbus.
The European airplane maker filed a patent application Dec. 23, published June 26, for a flight deck that relies mostly or entirely on electronic viewscreens.
The first advantage is aerodynamic, since flight deck windows require interrupting the ideal scalpel shape of the nose, Airbus wrote. Also, big windows and the reinforcement required for them add weight to the aircraft.
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I wonder if they get ESPN on that thing?
In the future airplanes with have a cockpit with only a man and a dog. The man’s job is to feed the dog and the dog’s job is to bite the man if he tries to touch anything.
it’s just not the same know that i know Sulu’s meat gazing
How will they be able to see UFO’s?
Next it’ll be airplanes don’t need pilots.
Charles Lindbergh crossed the atlantic in an aircraft with no forward visibility and only two small side windows.
I agree. I’d go even further: why have a human flight crew at all? Most of the current flight operations are done by computer. All the human pilots do is stand by for situations that may require an intervention. More often than not, the intervention is the wrong one.
Real? Photoshop? Where? When?
Lindbergh had forward visibility (barely) by way of a periscope.
OTOH, this is the obvious next step in a glass cockpit. You can give the pilots (theoretically) superior visibility around the aircraft with lots of cameras. It could work wonderfully ... until it doesn’t. With no windows, there’s no backup system.
No Windows = No fun
As is well known, UFO's communicate telepathically, so windows are not needed by sensitive and open-to-new-experiences pilots. F-104s had windows but that didn't prevent the Luftwaffe from flying four of them in perfect formation into a Bavarian Alp.
IIRC, that was a huge RC model (BIG) that someone crashed...
I love it. Gave me the laugh of the day!
In the realm of totally computer controlled flight, the phrase “blue screen of death” takes on new significance.
I wonder how that would have worked out in Barcelona in the last week or so...
Speaking of the Concorde, wasn’t the cockpit essentially windowless except for when the nose was hinged down for takeoff and landings?
Ha! Good post.
I wonder what Captain Sullenberger and the passengers on his plane would think about this idea?
I wonder how many pilots are in on that opinion!
IIRC they didn't want to put windows in the Mercury space capsule, either - until the astronauts got involved.
And ocean liners no longer need lifeboats.
I like it. Chainmail also made a good point in Post #10.
If we don’t need pilot windows in planes?
Do we need pilots in planes?
Why not just build the fuselage skin out of transparent aluminum? The whole thing then becomes a window.
what could possibly go wrong?
No Windows ? Microsoft will NOT be happy about this. . .
This negates the effect of the blinding reflective glare of the VAST arrays of solar panels that are to be installed across every square mile of the world.
and no competing air traffic or towers.
The first Mercury capsule had no windows until the astronauts forced it.
My flying days are over for many reasons (one I cannot carry, two people stink, three no groping allowed...), but I will flat refuse to the point of violence to board an aircraft that has no pilot.
Sorry,you are incorrect. Fully autonomous flight is reserved for toys and some weapon systems. The current state of the art requires thousands of decisions and action for an automated airliner to fly from one place to another. There is no such thing as a computer managed airliner. There are highly integrated computer systems in airliners, but a pilot controls them all.
And neither do (freight train) engineers, apparently.
Just make it a complete robotic operation. Customers sit down, door shuts and everyone is put to sleep. Robot flies plane, no flight attendants necessary. 10 minutes before plane lands, wake everyone up.
The heck with the pilots. How about cameras mounted around the plane, with video monitors for the passengers? I’d love to have a bird’s eye view when flying.
He had a periscope for forward vision. They replaced his windshield with a fuel tank.
Its a screen capture from a flight sim.
Planes almost collide in dramatic runway near-miss at Barcelona airport
The Telegraph ^ | 7/8/2014
Posted on 7/8/2014 9:33:43 AM by Former Fetus
This is the terrifying moment two passenger jets came seconds from crashing into each other at Barcelona airport.
The heart-stopping moment two passenger planes avoided a catastrophic collision was caught on camera on Saturday.
Footage shows a Boeing 767 from the Russian airline UTair coming in to land on a runway at Barcelona’s El Prat Airport. But with the plane just feet from touching down, an Aerolineas Argentineas Airbus A340 slowly taxis across the runway, forcing the still-airborne pilot to respond to the emergency by pulling back into the air.
The quick-thinking pilot of the UTair jet landed the plane safely after circling around.
Plane enthusiast Miguel Angel caught the moment on film, describing it as “one of the worst experiences I have ever had”.
No way would I ever board a plane where the pilot can’t look out the window to see the runway...It their scenario, the pilot doesn’t even need to board the plane...No thanks, I’m not going to fly in a drone...
Looks like Radio Control. Website source for the image appears to confirm this.
Well you should be sorry.. Modern aircraft are flown on autopilot throughout near the whole flight regime. There have also been autolanding systems in effect since the Lockheed L1011 in the early '70s.
The loss of that Air France flight over the Atlantic was due to the pitot tubes failing, which caused the autopilot to read the flight situation incorrectly and when the pilots took over, they made very poor decisions and destroyed the airplane and everyone in it.
The "thousands of decisions" pilots make are inputting waypoints into the navigation system, various radio calls when required, and whether their coffee should have cream and sugar or not.
Wasn't there a recent transatlantic flight where the flight crew fell asleep through most of it? Proves my point, doesn't it?
I would guess that it might take some time for an older pilot to get used to, and I would certainly appreciate a VERY well tested system. Robust and redundant are two words that come to mind.
As for getting rid of pilots; I would say from a passenger perspective, we are not quite ready for that. Thank God!
You are talking to a 30-year airline pilot. You have no clue.
Started out in DC-3s, did we? Well, move aside grandpa, things are changing. Automation of most everything is almost here. We can count on pilotless combat aircraft for almost all missions, Unattended Ground Vehicles for many forms of ground combat, Unattended Sea Vehicles, the whole nine yards. Removing human error is the direction technology is taking, count on it.
No offense, Buddy, but things always change. I was in artillery for nearly 40 years but I was the Program Manager for the world's first completely automated artillery system. Works, fine, hits what it's supposed to, no people.
I thought I had heard the guy ran it into the ground by accident...guess I was wrong!
I don't know why, but putting that at the end like that hit my funny bone!
"When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my old Uncle Floyd, not kicking, screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car..."