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The real reason gun control is failing
Guardian ^ | July 8, 2014 | Ana Marie Cox

Posted on 07/08/2014 12:29:58 PM PDT by Second Amendment First

Americans are still OK with guns, and until we can change that, Michael Bloomberg's millions won't mean a thing

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The Michael Bloomberg-funded Everytown for Gun Safety announced on Monday a new gambit for creating pressure on candidates to move, finally, in the direction of stricter gun laws: the group will offer them a survey. Everytown – one of several sane competitors playing the long game against the National Rifle Association’s stranglehold on violence in America – will make politicians put their positions on firearm restrictions, however convoluted, on the record. As the head of the organization, which has $50m in Bloomberg backing to the NRA’s untold millions, pronounced: “Now we’re going toe-to-toe with the gun lobby.”

This has the feel of a good idea, because it is one – one already employed, simply to opposite effect, by the NRA itself. Everytown isn't offering a counterweight to the NRA's rating system, it is duplicating it … just without the grades. What information could an anti-gun voter would find in the Everytown questionnaire that the NRA hasn't ferreted out itself? It will tell you who to vote for as surely as a National Right-to-Life rating will direct a voter concerned about preserving the right to choose.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
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I think they are desperate for ideas of what to do next. If they had any sense, they would just take the NRA survey and invert it. But then that wouldn't require all the leaches sucking on Bloomies money.
1 posted on 07/08/2014 12:29:58 PM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

“Americans are still OK with guns, and until we can change that, Michael Bloomberg’s millions won’t mean a thing “.

And, why would that NEED to be changed. Despite all the BS currently going on, America is still the only country of consequence that has this kind of freedom. We don’t need some assclown from the UK (is she?) trying to aid in creating the same kind of utopia currently seen in the UK. i.e. bugger off lady.


2 posted on 07/08/2014 12:34:56 PM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman
Guns are not objects, and I doubt we can change the way our country deals with them by thinking of guns as merely potentially dangerous things that need to be regulated, no different than unstable chemicals or cold medicines. Guns are death waiting to happen, and Everytown's survey is a quaint eulogy for those who have already passed.
3 posted on 07/08/2014 12:37:36 PM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First
In the "bad guy with a gun" versus a "good guy with a gun" scenario, the problem isn't who's bad and who's good, it's that there is a gun involved, period.

No, the problem is that there is a liberal trying to describe something without popping her denial bubble.

This is clinical insanity, folks. Nothing less.

4 posted on 07/08/2014 12:45:23 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Do you agree that we can do more to both keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and protect the rights of responsible, law-abiding people?

Do you support requiring all gun buyers to pass a criminal background check?

Do you support a law that would prohibit convicted stalkers, people convicted of abusing a dating partner, and people subject to a domestic violence restraining order against a dating partner from having guns?

Do you support a law that would require a criminal background check for every gun sold between strangers who meet through an online gun classified website?

Do you support increased funding for the programs that help states submit records to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to block severely mentally ill people from buying guns?

Do you support a law that would close the “terror gap” and block people listed on the federal government’s terror watch lists from buying guns?

Do you support a federal gun trafficking law that would increase penalties on gun traffickers and make it easier to prosecute and convict them?

Do you support banning the sale of high capacity ammunition magazines, or magazines that hold more than 10 bullets at a time?

Do you support a law that would allow a prosecutor to bring charges if a gun owner stores a firearm negligently, a minor accesses the gun, and harm results?

Do you oppose national concealed carry reciprocity, which would overturn state laws that determine who may carry a concealed loaded gun in public, and force every state to recognize concealed carry permits from every other state?


5 posted on 07/08/2014 12:45:53 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Talisker
...without popping her denial bubble.

I'm keepin' that one ;)

6 posted on 07/08/2014 12:50:01 PM PDT by papertyger (if disdain of homosexual behavior is "bigotry," is it any wonder hostility to Islam is "racism?")
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To: Second Amendment First
That’s the key misunderstanding between gun-control advocates and the wide swath of voters they need on their side: Americans are OK with guns. They don't like violence. They don't like guns in the hands of mad men and criminals, or shoved in their faces in restaurants and shopping centers, but they're OK with guns.

Blah, blah, BS, blah, blah. Hits nail on head. Blah, BS, BS, blah.

The whole article is in this one paragraph.

7 posted on 07/08/2014 12:51:05 PM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Fine don’t call them “illegal” call them “criminal foreign invaders”


8 posted on 07/08/2014 12:51:06 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: Second Amendment First
Guns are not objects ... uns are death waiting to happen, ...

Gracious! This creature "reasons" like some sort of third-world pantheistic heathen. It's an inanimate object, not some sort of evil totem or talisman.

9 posted on 07/08/2014 12:52:16 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Second Amendment First

Bad products kill many great marketing campaigns.

Gun control is a bad product and a bad idea.

No matter how much they spend to tell us otherwise.


10 posted on 07/08/2014 12:52:54 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Second Amendment First

Having accepted her serfdom, the author impugns liberty.

Human beings are violent, aggressive creatures, capable of unspeakable horrors. Her solution to this violence is the absurd raving of a confused mind.

If preventing free men from gun ownership is the solution to man’s violence, what happened to the Tutsis?


11 posted on 07/08/2014 12:53:14 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: smokingfrog

NO x 10.


12 posted on 07/08/2014 12:53:27 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Second Amendment First

But why would any same legislator even bother to fill out a questionnaire compiles by a fascist enemy of civil rights? I’d piss on it, then toss it in the dumpster.


13 posted on 07/08/2014 12:53:38 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Talisker
In the "bad guy with a gun" versus a "good guy with a gun" scenario, the problem isn't who's bad and who's good, it's that there is a gun involved, period.

IOW, the gun is the nexus of evil in a "situation." The humans are just along for the ride.

14 posted on 07/08/2014 12:57:55 PM PDT by Disambiguator (#cornedbeef)
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To: Talisker
In the "obese guy with a spoon" versus a "thin guy with a spoon" scenario, the problem isn't who's too fat and who's slim, it's that there is a spoon involved, period.
15 posted on 07/08/2014 12:58:27 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Second Amendment First
The real reason gun control is failing

Americans know very shortly they're going to need them for their original purpose.

16 posted on 07/08/2014 12:59:07 PM PDT by mykroar (This is an insult to the nation's intelligence and these days, that isn't easy.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Total British casualties from battle and disease in the Revolutionary War: around 24,000

Seems like the limeys haven’t learned their lesson from the last time they tried to take our guns.


17 posted on 07/08/2014 1:02:37 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: smokingfrog

Pretty much a bunch of “No”s there, but I do like how many are couched in a manner of ‘When did you stop beating your wife?’


18 posted on 07/08/2014 1:03:32 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: Second Amendment First

It’s failing because you gotta use both hands...


19 posted on 07/08/2014 1:07:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Second Amendment First

It’s not about guns, it’s about control.


20 posted on 07/08/2014 1:14:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Guns are tools, and as such are value neutral. Guns values, like any tool is based on how a person uses it, and even then are more a reflection of the person using it than anything intrinsic to the tool itself. Guns are not good or evil. guns are an extension of an individual. if a individual is good, healthy and lawful and has a gun then that gun is likely to be used in a lawful way, and vice versa. I know this sounds simplistic, but it is an argument I have successfully used against those who believe guns are intrinsically evil or bad. the analogy i have used is this: suppose you have a toaster. nobody believes toasters are evil or dangerous, right? It’s a device that toasts bread. If, however you were to drop said toaster into your spouses bath while they were bathing it would be quite lethal. Is that toaster now “evil”?. No, almost all people respond that the person who dropped the toaster in the bath are “evil”. It is the same with guns. They do not create violence. People create violence. Now guns can certainly facilitate violence if misused. However if properly used guns can also deter and stop violence. I think some of the issue with guns is the naive belief by liberals that somehow if they were able to magically make all of them disappear tomorrow that violence and crime would stop. But the truth of that is humans were beating the shit out of each other long before guns came along. I think it’s easier for liberals , who tend to be secular humanists to blame things rather than people for problems.If you take away the thing, however and the problem persists then by process of elimination the cause of the problem is people. Its true: people suck. but the first step in solving any problem is understanding the cause.

CC


21 posted on 07/08/2014 1:18:53 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Second Amendment First

Its important to keep an eye on what your opponent is thinking and this is their latest thrust - the mental health issue.

In real fact, most people with mental problems are more afraid of you than you are of them. How dangerous are the average mentally impaired? They are more of a threat to themselves than to other people.

Dangerous, unstable people are not necessarily clinically “insane”. And dangerous, unstable people are the kind of individuals who pull off a Sandy Hook, etc. The problem is making sure such individuals can’t acquire a firearm. And there is the conundrum. You can’t. Most people with hot tempers are not Sandy Hook types.

What the evil left is not saying here, but IMPLYING, is that by giving the state, through selected mental health “specialists” the power to determine who is sane or not, you are giving government the right to determine who can have a firearm based on factors other than prior criminal behavior - and THAT is a very dangerous thing. Far more dangerous than the few Sandy Hooks we have had.

Ask a few of those people Stalin or his successors locked up in insane asylums for political crimes.


22 posted on 07/08/2014 1:26:33 PM PDT by ZULU ("Show me the man and I will find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria)
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To: Second Amendment First

***Americans are still OK with guns, and until we can change that, Michael Bloomberg’s millions won’t mean a thing ***

They have been trying ever since 1962 and picked up steam in 1968, then the citizens wised up to this power grab and reject it at every turn.


23 posted on 07/08/2014 1:41:55 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Second Amendment First
Everytown – one of several sane competitors playing the long game against the National Rifle Association’s stranglehold on violence in America

Stopped reading right there. Lost interest totally.

24 posted on 07/08/2014 1:42:16 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Can anyone tell me who the head of the Muslim peace movement is?)
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25 posted on 07/08/2014 1:54:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Second Amendment First

In that this is an “al-Guardian” article, it deserves a rewrite to make slavery the issue, not gun control. Doing so really makes it abundantly clear what is the mindset of such people. Here it is:

The real reason slavery is failing

Americans are still OK with freedom, and until we can change that, Michael Bloomberg’s millions won’t mean a thing

The Michael Bloomberg-funded Everytown for Slavery announced on Monday a new gambit for creating pressure on candidates to move, finally, in the direction of legalizing slavery: the group will offer them a survey.

Everytown – one of several sane competitors playing the long game against the Abolitionists stranglehold on black liberty in America – will make politicians put their positions on negro restrictions, however convoluted, on the record.

As the head of the organization, which has $50m in Bloomberg backing to the Abolitionists untold millions, pronounced: “Now we’re going toe-to-toe with the Abolitionist lobby.”...

I suspect this disconnect between pro-slavery advocates and the average, not-very-concerned voter has to do with the very tactic that Everytown and its ideological brethren believe to be their most effective pitch: We need slavery to stop black people from becoming “uppity”. We need slavery to protect our children from black people who are little more than animals...


26 posted on 07/08/2014 2:00:33 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Second Amendment First

We've had 45 YEARS of "Reasonable Gun Control" legislation and it hasn't done what the gun controllers said it would!


27 posted on 07/08/2014 2:01:34 PM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: Second Amendment First
Gun control is an epic fail.

The Dem/libs have been engaging in a steady push to infringe on our right
to keep and bear arms for decades. And this is how it has been working out
for them in the last two decades...

And in the last two months... (Nov. 2012 and Dec. 2012)

And it continues...

And there is more...

And more...

MOLON LAVE! WE'LL BUY MILLIONS MORE. ;-)

28 posted on 07/08/2014 2:14:28 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: Disambiguator; All

“In the “bad guy with a gun” versus a “good guy with a gun” scenario, the problem isn’t who’s bad and who’s good, it’s that there is a gun involved, period.”

“And there we have a core part of leftist thought. The idea that people have no moral agency, make no moral choices, have no responsibility for their actions.”


29 posted on 07/08/2014 2:47:41 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Second Amendment First
Who's sick of millionaire liberal elites deciding they're sooooooooo much better than the rest of us? So much better they can tell us how to live.

Eff 'em.

Liberal elites should move to Dubai - now there's a county where the elites rule and the common people are treated like animals.

Zuckerberg and Bloomie, Michael Moore, Al Gore, John Kerry and all the other 'oh so superior liberal elite' assh*les would love it there.... shove-those-little-people-around paradise....

30 posted on 07/08/2014 3:03:49 PM PDT by GOPJ (Remember the oath is to “support and defend the Constitution” not the President.FRrfreedom4u)
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To: Second Amendment First

They basically BLEW THEIR CHANCE in the past...now, probably, twice as many people owned guns as did 30 years ago (even accounting for population growth).

Gun owners are DANGEROUS PEOPLE to liberals - they will vote to keep their guns, and that generally doesn’t help Democrats much (except in some parts of the country, where enough people are already unarmed).


31 posted on 07/08/2014 6:33:38 PM PDT by BobL
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