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City of Ruins: Camden, New Jersey, stands as a warning....
http://www.thenation.com/article/155801/city-ruins# ^ | November 4, 2010 | Chris Hedges

Posted on 07/10/2014 1:12:33 AM PDT by WhiskeyX

Camden, New Jersey, with a population of 70,390, is per capita the poorest city in the nation. It is also the most dangerous. The city's real unemployment—hard to estimate, since many residents have been severed from the formal economy for generations—is probably 30–40 percent. The median household income is $24,600. There is a 70 percent high school dropout rate, with only 13 percent of students managing to pass the state's proficiency exams in math. The city is planning $28 million in draconian budget cuts, with officials talking about cutting 25 percent from every department, including layoffs of nearly half the police force. The proposed slashing of the public library budget by almost two-thirds has left the viability of the library system in doubt.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: camden; crime; drugs; unemployment
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Camden is yet another example of the consequences of Democrat policies since before 1932.
1 posted on 07/10/2014 1:12:33 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
draconian budget cuts

lol

2 posted on 07/10/2014 1:15:00 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: WhiskeyX

Link broke....


3 posted on 07/10/2014 1:15:54 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: WhiskeyX

Those “draconian budget cuts” amounts to about $398 per resident.

How will they ever survive??

/sarc


4 posted on 07/10/2014 1:16:14 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: WhiskeyX

Is the Camden Public Library and the Camden County Library System the same entity?

What about Rutgers? How much they contribute to the city?


5 posted on 07/10/2014 1:19:00 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: WhiskeyX
Camden is yet another example of the consequences of Democrat policies since before 1932.

That's 100% accurate. Yet, not far away in the same state, the city of Sea Girt, is run by Republican Mayor Ken Farrell. Under GOP leadership, that city enjoys a crime rate that's nearly nil and a median income of alsmost $103,000. In the 2004 election, George Bush commanded nearly 77% of the vote, proving that Republican leadership yields prosperity. Camden should wise up and learn the lessons from its neighbor to the east. Electing DemonRATS invariably leads to decay and despair.

6 posted on 07/10/2014 1:22:29 AM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex
Yet, not far away in the same state, the city of Sea Girt, is run by Republican Mayor Ken Farrell.

Sea Girt, like the rest of Monmouth County usually votes republican.

7 posted on 07/10/2014 1:40:28 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....should' Nuff said!)
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To: WhiskeyX
have been severed from the formal economy for generations

Through no fault of their own, I assume?

9 posted on 07/10/2014 1:50:37 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: re_nortex

Parker House back porch lobster and mini-cheeseburgers.


10 posted on 07/10/2014 1:51:31 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: re_nortex

Dems just love decay and despair!

They would rather rule over a pile of rubble than see republicans bring prosperity.


11 posted on 07/10/2014 2:03:16 AM PDT by Bobalu (Israel is the most long-suffering and peace loving nation on Earth.)
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To: WhiskeyX

But they have the RiverSharks!


12 posted on 07/10/2014 2:27:34 AM PDT by Lacey
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To: WhiskeyX

Don’t worry,the Hispanics will do a little ethnic cleansing!


13 posted on 07/10/2014 2:28:13 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: WhiskeyX
I remember Camden from the 1960s when it was not much different from the description contained in this article, although concededly not as advanced at a time when the revolution of the Great Society began.

If, as the sentiment on this thread declares, the decline of Camden was caused by leftist programs like the Great Society, what was it about Camden, Detroit and elsewhere that required or at least justified the Great Society programs?


14 posted on 07/10/2014 2:33:09 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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15 posted on 07/10/2014 2:35:46 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: WhiskeyX

The collapse of the cities is a warning to the politicians of both parties who have spent beyond means what is to come because they have refused to spend less and balance budgets.

All those GOPe ideas like TARP in 2008 and Medicare Part D in 2004 have done this country no good.....


16 posted on 07/10/2014 2:45:50 AM PDT by Nextrush (OBAMACARE IS A BAILOUT FOR THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY)
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To: All

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17 posted on 07/10/2014 2:47:32 AM PDT by Drago
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To: GeronL

“Is the Camden Public Library and the Camden County Library System the same entity?”

I don’t know, but I am shocked that these places even have public libraries anymore. I guess it is to keep municipal workers employed; a friend that taught second grade in one of these welfare pastures in NJ described students that didn’t know the word for “book” (they would point at it and call it “that thing”).

“What about Rutgers? How much they contribute to the city?”

It isn’t the main campus, and as a state school I’d imagine that when the state runs out of money the school’s contributions (if any) would be cut as well. Newark NJ has a few colleges, and laid off 160 cops a couple of years ago anyway.


18 posted on 07/10/2014 2:49:06 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Nextrush

Camden is a typical Rustbelt city; even without the usual Dem corruption, when the jobs leave the best & brightest follow (leaving gibsmedats and illegals).

I remember taking the wife and kids to Camden on two occasions: when a new aquarium was opened there, and to visit the battleship New Jersey. The aquarium wasn’t impressive compared to one a bit closer on Coney Island (which has beluga whales); the battleship was great, but you drove through a lot of abandoned areas to get there. Both makework projects were put there to stimulate the economy, and both failed. Newark NJ does the same stuff, but consumers aren’t biting.

It wasn’t your typical slum (dangerously crawling with gibsmedats); it was more like a museum of how the gibsmedats used to live. We didn’t see many people there at all.


19 posted on 07/10/2014 2:54:16 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

I was born in Camden sixty-nine years ago. From that day on, I never saw a reason to go back.


20 posted on 07/10/2014 3:03:50 AM PDT by Makana ("Nothing can bring you peace but yourself; nothing, but the triumph of principles." -Emerson)
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To: Makana

I don’t blame you; without family and decent work nearby, I wouldn’t be living here in NJ. A huge problem for the whole state is the loss of its younger taxpayers (who follow the companies that are leaving). It is a small enough state that you can live in PA (even keeping a NJ job if you have one). A friend works in NYC with a couple of people who commute from PA.


21 posted on 07/10/2014 3:14:20 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: nathanbedford; All
NO doubt, if one could chart it's decline, it should be fairly easy. Personal income
vs city's deficit (per citizen) as relates to unionized workfork/pension fund/-main't. $$.
It's Deeetroit all over (again)..When was the last time a Republican was in power there?

22 posted on 07/10/2014 3:15:24 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Jihadist/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: WhiskeyX

sounds like there are lots of empty buildings in Camden to ship illegals fleeing poverty and violence

sarc


23 posted on 07/10/2014 3:49:28 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Drago

I would guess that there area number of factors in the death of malls.

1)High rents = higher markups = inability to compete with Walmart, Amazon, etc.

2)Stagnant economy & unemployment mean fewer shoppers.

3)Middle class moved further away.

4)Uncontrolled packs of feral “youth” ran the remaining customers away. Feral “youth” buy little, steal a lot. Management & stockholders say, “Why bother...goodby!”


24 posted on 07/10/2014 4:00:31 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: WhiskeyX

This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends,
Not with a bang but a whimper.

25 posted on 07/10/2014 4:30:51 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: WhiskeyX

How are the guns “easily purchased” in PA, with its “lax gun laws”.

I live in Texas, and we have to follow the FEDERAL gun laws and that means a BACKGROUND CHECK if you buy from a licensed dealer - and that is a serious check. Yes, you don’t need one for a private sale, but there are not a whole lot people that will sell privately to gang members, since it is (or can be) a felony, if you know the person is a felon.

Seems some other dynamic is at work there...wonder what it could be.


26 posted on 07/10/2014 4:32:04 AM PDT by BobL
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To: WhiskeyX
The proposed slashing of the public library budget by almost two-thirds has left the viability of the library system in doubt.

Oh. I'm not going to say it.

27 posted on 07/10/2014 4:35:06 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: WhiskeyX
Camden is yet another example of the consequences of Democrat policies since before 1932.

Burlington, VT has been run by Democrats since then, and it's very pleasant.

Are you sure it's a party thing?

28 posted on 07/10/2014 4:36:13 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: GeronL

-——How much they contribute to the city-——

The universities contribution is “in kind”. They have academics that pontificate on how things should be run.


29 posted on 07/10/2014 4:40:11 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Jim Noble

Ditto Portland, Seattle, Madison, and many other large and small cities in the Midwest and West.


30 posted on 07/10/2014 4:49:56 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: WhiskeyX
Socialism offers a failed 19th century solution to 21st century issues.
31 posted on 07/10/2014 4:52:29 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Obama - "I will stand with the Muslims")
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To: re_nortex

there’s a large state police barracks/training facility and also a national guard base in this small town. Probably a shade better class of people than Camden


32 posted on 07/10/2014 4:53:09 AM PDT by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: driftless2
Windsor, Ontario is another very good example. Socialist to the bone.

It's not the politics. It's the fence.

33 posted on 07/10/2014 4:54:52 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble

Jim, Burlington gets the lions share of state revenue through lobbying and a large voting block. Look into act 60 and 68. I’m in southern VT. a town of 2200 and we are a sharing town which means we more than match our school budget and seen that to the state, our roads look like Bosnia and we consider ourselves No. Mass because that as much attention as we get from Montpelier.


34 posted on 07/10/2014 5:01:21 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Makana

The battleship New Jersey is there, as a museum. So one reason to visit.

Thankfully you can get to her via water taxi from the Philly waterfront.


35 posted on 07/10/2014 5:04:13 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Jim Noble

“Are you sure it’s a party thing?”

Indeed - It is just a coincidence that the population is largely black. We will keep playing these word games to our complete demise because you can’t fix what you can’t correctly identify.


36 posted on 07/10/2014 5:06:41 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: kearnyirish2
I had the same reaction. Camden looked empty. Granted, I was just visiting the battleship and didn't loop more than a few blocks into town, so I wasn't rolling around the neighborhoods.

I don't have any sense of the local dynamics, but one would think that distressed waterfront property just across from Center City Philadelphia would have redevelopment potential. Of course, I live in Gentrification Central (D.C.), so I tend to see the brighter side of things.

37 posted on 07/10/2014 5:16:55 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: driftless2

Let’s not play the race card.
I postulate your progressive cities have universities with affluent outside sources of income.


38 posted on 07/10/2014 5:21:12 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: WhiskeyX

Camden style...what America will look like after liberals rule it.


39 posted on 07/10/2014 5:30:45 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Altura Ct.

Look at the Indian Reservations. They aren’t black. Yes, it is Democrats.


40 posted on 07/10/2014 5:31:32 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: WhiskeyX

As a NJ resident if we could remove Newark, Trenton and Camden from the rest of the state,it truly would be the “Garden State”.

Camden is roughly the same as East St. Louis for all the reasons listed here.

The river, if fully developed, could be draw, but that isn’t going to happen. Philly, on the other side, has pockets of prosperity but is headed in the same direction for the same reasons. It’ll just take longer.


41 posted on 07/10/2014 5:33:23 AM PDT by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is just enough to win elections)
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To: WhiskeyX; All

Here’s another socialist/criminal induces paradise…

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-07/death-and-decay-detroit-real-time-seen-streets

For anyone familiar with Detroit, I got off I-75 southbound into Detroit @ 8-mile (just entering the northern border of the city) 2 days ago because of a traffic jam on the freeway. From 8-mile I went to John R and took it south into the city until it stopped at Ferris (then I went right on Ferris to Woodward and proceeded south downtown). The side streets (looking left and right) going down Ferris were as bad or worse than the pics, above. Some livable homes but many that were burnt out, boarded up or grass and weeds so tall you could barely see the front of the house. There were lots of homes close together and I did not notice many vacant lots. It was raining Tuesday and somehow that seemed to fit the scene. It was also bad enough to bring a tear to my eyes as I remember growing up in and around Detroit in the 50’s 60’s 70’s.


42 posted on 07/10/2014 5:37:19 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: aumrl
"the race card"

Give me a break. Philadelphia has many universities. It's also a crime-ridden city.

43 posted on 07/10/2014 5:40:51 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: nathanbedford
...what was it about Camden, Detroit and elsewhere that required or at least justified the Great Society programs?

That "what was it about" killed Trenton too.

44 posted on 07/10/2014 5:51:47 AM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: driftless2

I did give you a break.
You can’t compare Philly to Camden.
I thot the KKK was democrats


45 posted on 07/10/2014 5:55:22 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: kearnyirish2
it was more like a museum of how the gibsmedats used to live.

You just gave me an idea for a Plymouth Plantation kind of tourist attraction where tourists experience simulated carjackings. rapes and murders while the actors speak in the original dialect. Probably appeal to the GTA generation.

46 posted on 07/10/2014 5:57:11 AM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: Altura Ct.
Indeed - It is just a coincidence that the population is largely black.

It is a party thing. If the parties end in gunfire on a Saturday night, the city has problems.

47 posted on 07/10/2014 6:03:54 AM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: Nextrush
a warning to the politicians of both parties who have spent beyond means what is to come because they have refused to spend less and balance budgets.

But they (and all liberals) are convinced that all problems are due to NOT ENOUGH spending.

48 posted on 07/10/2014 6:36:42 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Altura Ct.
... you can’t fix what you can’t correctly identify.

OK. I'll stop with the word games. There is a direct correlation with ethnicity. Large concentrations of blacks almost always means larger concentrations of crime.

Here are the census statistics by racial makeup...

http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/map?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=thab1

49 posted on 07/10/2014 7:00:01 AM PDT by Gritty (Obama's governing as president of a Latin American republic, where only the president matters-MSteyn)
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To: Jim Noble
Burlington, VT has been run by Democrats since then, and it's very pleasant.

Are you sure it's a party thing?

Bingo! I was hoping someone would make that point. Inconvenient truths are inconvenient.

50 posted on 07/10/2014 7:17:50 AM PDT by Ken H
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