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Here’s one way to land on the NSA watch list
Wonky News Nerd ^ | 10 July 2014 | Julia Angwin and Mike Tigas

Posted on 07/10/2014 6:41:50 AM PDT by ShadowAce

Last week, German journalists revealed that the National Security Agency has a program to collect information about people who use privacy-protecting services, including popular anonymizing software called Tor. But it’s not clear how many users have been affected.

So we did a little sleuthing, and found that the NSA’s targeting list corresponds with the list of directory servers used by Tor between December 2010 and February 2012 – including two servers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Tor users connect to the directory servers when they first launch the Tor service.

That means that if you downloaded Tor during 2011, the NSA may have scooped up your computer’s IP address and flagged you for further monitoring. The Tor Project is a nonprofit that receives significant funding from the U.S. government.

The revelations were among the first evidence of specific spy targets inside the United States. And they have been followed by yet more evidence. The Intercept revealed this week that the government monitored email of five prominent Muslim-Americans, including a former Bush Administration official.

It’s not clear if, or how extensively, the NSA spied on the users of Tor and other privacy services.

After the news, one of Tor’s original developers, Roger Dingledine, reassured users that they most likely remained anonymous while using the service: “Tor is designed to be robust to somebody watching traffic at one point in the network – even a directory authority.” It is more likely that users could have been spied on when they were not using Tor.

For its part, the NSA says it only collects information for valid foreign intelligence purposes and that it “minimizes” information it collects about U.S. residents. In other words, NSA may have discarded any information it obtained about U.S. residents who downloaded Tor.

However, according to a recent report by the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, the NSA’s minimization procedures vary by program. Under Prism, for example, the NSA shares unminimized data with the FBI and CIA.

In addition, the NSA can also later search the communications of those it has inadvertently caught in its Prism dragnet, a tactic some have called a ” backdoor” search. It’s not clear if similar backdoors exist for other types of data such as IP addresses.

In response to the Tor news, the NSA said it is following President Obama’s January directive to not conduct surveillance for the purpose of “suppressing or burdening criticism or dissent, or for disadvantaging persons based on their ethnicity, race, gender, sexual orientation, or religion.”

[Disclosure: Mike Tigas is the developer of an app that uses Tor, called theOnion Browser.]

We updated our chart of NSA revelations to include monitoring of privacy software.


For the geeks, here are the IP addresses of the were listed in the NSA Xkeyscore code and when they were added or removed from the list of Tor directory servers:

193.23.244.244
Added: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:31:08 -0400 (14:31 -0500)

194.109.206.212
Added: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:03:49 -0400 (21:03 +0000)

86.59.21.38
Added: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:20:51 -0400 (20:20 +0000)

213.115.239.118
Added: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:56:08 -0400 (16:56 +0200)
Removed: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:22:41 -0400 (13:22 -0500)

212.112.245.170
Added: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:10:19 -0400 (13:10 +0100)

128.31.0.39
Added Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:36:08 -0400 (19:36 -0400)

216.224.124.114
Added: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:20:45 -0400 (21:20 +0000)
Removed: on Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:51:04 -0400 (01:51 +0200)

208.83.223.34
Added: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:32:51 -0400 (01:32 -0400)



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: nsa; security; tor

1 posted on 07/10/2014 6:41:50 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

2 posted on 07/10/2014 6:42:06 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: scripter

ping...


3 posted on 07/10/2014 6:44:03 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: ShadowAce

One sure way to get on the list - read the constitution, and believe in what you read.


4 posted on 07/10/2014 6:44:09 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: ShadowAce

Post here at Free Republic and donate to Free Republic!?!


5 posted on 07/10/2014 6:44:34 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: ShadowAce
"In addition, the NSA can also later search the communications of those it has inadvertently caught in its Prism dragnet, a tactic some have called a ” backdoor” search. It’s not clear if similar backdoors exist for other types of data such as IP addresses."

There's the rub. When Obama says they are not snooping on everyone's digital activity he's being very disingenuous. What they are doing is recording all digital activity and storing it in a database. Then if a certain person or goup appears on the radar they can search this database along with the banking, medical and commercial transaction (debit/credit card) databases to lean everyting they could want to know about that person or group and their activities.

6 posted on 07/10/2014 6:50:09 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: ShadowAce

If you’ve posted on FR you are probably on the list.


7 posted on 07/10/2014 6:50:52 AM PDT by mylife
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To: ShadowAce

“your computer’s IP address”
A computer does not have an IP address. At any given moment, while it is connected to the internet, there is an IP address by which your computer can be addressed. That IP address can vary from time to time. Some ISP’s allocate a “fixed” IP address. Even that can change, if you change ISP’s.
So, what good does it do the kgb to “scoop up your computer’s IP address”?

Answer?


8 posted on 07/10/2014 6:53:38 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: ShadowAce

Bill Still’s interview with Bill Binney who was in the NSA for 37 years until October 2001. His last position within the organization was Technical Director of The World For Geopolitical and Military Analysis and Reporting Group.

Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm-WA6XnBuc

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5Tatq73Tw

Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwpyS3IJIrs

Part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPcyGxcZtoQ

Part 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=—4Nka4_v_Q

Part 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooBiByfsEfk

Part 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AOQLEM5eNY

Part 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONS9Aj6HLBw


9 posted on 07/10/2014 6:54:01 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: ShadowAce

Hell I know I’m already on it because I occassionally identify terrorists through financial networks and pass the information onto them and zi’m a FR’per...lol


10 posted on 07/10/2014 6:54:43 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: ShadowAce

What about ways to get off or stay off the NSA watch list?

Working for the IRS comes to mind... the higher up your responsibility, the more you can stay out of the NSA’s way.


11 posted on 07/10/2014 6:55:15 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: ShadowAce

The fascists already have rendered encryption useless. They have demanded and obtained, illegally, a way to read in the clear.


12 posted on 07/10/2014 6:55:27 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: I want the USA back

The MAC address can also be scooped up, and that is unique for every PC.

If the bits make it to your PC, they can be traced. It’s just a matter of how diligent and resourceful the ones doing the tracking are.

It doesn’t matter how many proxy servers you go through, again, if the bits make it to your PC, then your PC can be traced.


13 posted on 07/10/2014 7:14:58 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: ShadowAce
According to a memo from Osama Obama's DHS that department considers veterans and those with Republican bumper stickers on their cars...among many others...to be potential domestic terrorists.So I just assume that I'm on every government watchlist there is.I'm surprised that I'm still allowed to board airplanes.Oh,wait....maybe I should give them any ideas.

And I think it would be naive to believe that posters to FR...except,maybe,the ones who get zotted...are being watched as well.

14 posted on 07/10/2014 7:15:29 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: ShadowAce; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

15 posted on 07/10/2014 7:15:52 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Pinged for later


16 posted on 07/10/2014 7:19:20 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (This town needs an enema)
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To: mylife

I figure I am so on the list it doesn’t matter at this point. When they start rouonding up people to take to the re-education camps I just need to be elsewhere. :-)


17 posted on 07/10/2014 7:20:27 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: C210N
What about ways to get off or stay off the NSA watch list?

Become a muslim with plans to plant a bomb in Boston?

18 posted on 07/10/2014 7:30:10 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ShadowAce

the easiest way would be to post to FR

signed,

un-reeducatable capitalist


19 posted on 07/10/2014 7:33:45 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Its like my friend says... “mylife yer gonnna get put on a list”!

And I rejoind, hey butthead I am on several lists!


20 posted on 07/10/2014 7:59:41 AM PDT by mylife
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To: Georgia Girl 2

They already have my fingerprints from 33 years ago.
They know where I live, my number aint unlisted.


21 posted on 07/10/2014 8:02:05 AM PDT by mylife
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To: Georgia Girl 2

[ I figure I am so on the list it doesn’t matter at this point. When they start rouonding up people to take to the re-education camps I just need to be elsewhere. :-) ]

Just leave your powered on smartphone at home and bug out elsewhere, they will assume you are still home with your cell phone...


22 posted on 07/10/2014 8:03:55 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: GraceG

Bingo


23 posted on 07/10/2014 8:08:30 AM PDT by mylife
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To: GraceG
Jeez dear!

How could anyone make it through the puckerbush reading topo maps and a compass without GPS and a dang ol CELL phone that targets you? ☺

24 posted on 07/10/2014 8:12:42 AM PDT by mylife
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To: null and void

Could you put me on your conspiracy theory ping list please?


25 posted on 07/10/2014 10:28:56 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: mylife

Maybe the ones on government lists are the ones who don’t have Facebook or Twitter accounts.


26 posted on 07/10/2014 10:31:04 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: I want the USA back

“So, what good does it do the kgb to “scoop up your computer’s IP address”?”

Plenty. They can match the IP address up to your computer NIC’s MAC on your ISP’s routers. That way they have a current validation of your IP to your computer. Then when you visit websites and your IP is recorded they have a positive ID on your visit and activity.

TOR is just a distraction. They can most likely de-crypt connections in real time so there’s probably no real anonymity. Additionally, having TOR installed just let’s them know to monitor your data once you connect.

Running TOR in a secure hypervisor VM or having a dedicated computer is better obscurity but they’ll still know it’s your computer, your session and your usage. It just makes it a bit harder to obtain your session data.

Best bet is “John Doe” at your local Internet Gambling café or public library via fake ID. TOR on a boot CD with Everyone permission for execution run via a public computer with fake ID isn’t a bad idea. You could also try this via a boot USB drive. Both CD and USB may be enabled for boot devices for recovery purposes. Some techs are afraid of needing to go into BIOS to change the boot order during a recover operation because they lose the BIOS password. So they leave the CD or USB boot priority to the hard drive.

But if you’re not breaking the law, what do you have to fear comrade?


27 posted on 07/10/2014 10:53:22 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Sawdring

Only if you follow the rule.


28 posted on 07/10/2014 7:34:01 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: null and void

well that and posting on a site like the notorious Free Republic


29 posted on 07/10/2014 8:56:58 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: latina4dubya

Then apparently I and many I know are on this list!


30 posted on 07/10/2014 10:00:22 PM PDT by scripter
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To: scripter
Then apparently I and many I know are on this list!

i knew it!

31 posted on 07/11/2014 6:22:50 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: null and void; Admin Moderator

Seriously, if you don’t put me on the ping list I’m going to call in the artillery.


32 posted on 07/11/2014 10:08:30 AM PDT by Sawdring
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