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Two men arrested after flying drone near GWB (near NYPD chopper near George Wash. Bridge)
FoxNews ^ | July 8, 2014 | Shepard Smith, Jonathan Hunt

Posted on 07/10/2014 1:11:05 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

Transcript: Shep Smith: Police in NY arrested two people for flying a drone over the George Washington Bridge not far from a police helicopter. The cops say the drone came within 800 feet of one of the police choppers before the pilot of the drone turned it away to avoid. Jonathan Hunt: One of the cops in this NYPD helicopter noticed some lights approaching just after midnight on Monday...on closer inspection he noticed those lights were actually a drone. Apparently the chopper pilot thought he needed to take evasive action to avoid being struck by that drone. He then followed it. It landed on top of a van. Cops on the ground went to look at that van, found two guys they said these are our drones they said "We're just having fun." Cops didn't quite see it that way. Shep: Any word from these men or a lawyer? Hunt: We've just spoke to their lawyer in fact. They've been released on bail. The lawyer says this is a publicity stunt by the DA to have a chilling effect on people flying these drones for fun. This, by the way, was a dji Phantom II, you see it right there. The lawyer says that thing can't fly at 2000 feet where the cops said it was, it can only go up to 400 feet. This is the pilot training program from the dji company that clearly says don't fly these thing above 400 feet. It doesn't actually say whether they CAN go higher than that.

(Excerpt) Read more at video.foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: drone; uav

1 posted on 07/10/2014 1:11:05 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

I thought it was George W Bush for a second there.


2 posted on 07/10/2014 1:13:14 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Seizethecarp

Coming within 800 feet of a cop is now grounds for arrest..


3 posted on 07/10/2014 1:14:15 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: MrShoop

No, they were actually buzzing the copter and thought it would be funny. They are both very sorry for it now...

NYC has had a huge drone problem all of a sudden as drones have gotten cheaper and able to fly higher. They have even interfered with commercial aircraft. Personally, I’d rather not die in an air crash because some idiot was playing with his drone.


4 posted on 07/10/2014 1:18:54 PM PDT by livius
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To: Seizethecarp

Too bad, officers, get over it. You fly over houses in the middle of the night below legal altitude and then you arrest kids flying a drone? Hypocrites


5 posted on 07/10/2014 1:20:17 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: SunkenCiv

Some miscreants “just having fun” apparently forcing an NYPD chopper to take evasive action at midnight near the George Washington Bridge. I shudder to think whether they were trying to bring down the chopper. No word on whether they had suspicious middle-eastern names.

The perps were using the roof of a van as a convenient mobile urban takeoff and landing zone.

Last week in the comments section of a WaPo story on the increasing incidence of accidental (or not) drone near-misses with aircraft in US airspace this dji quad-copter brand was mentioned as having standard software installed that prevented flying near US airports.

One would think that for US sales altitude might be restricted to below 400 feet but that would rely on the user honestly setting the elevation or barometric pressure wouldn’t it? I am a retired CPA, not a pilot...


6 posted on 07/10/2014 1:20:25 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Exactly where is the line between an RC plane and a drone?


7 posted on 07/10/2014 1:23:28 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: livius
NYC has had a huge drone problem all of a sudden as drones have gotten cheaper and able to fly higher. They have even interfered with commercial aircraft. Personally, I’d rather not die in an air crash because some idiot was playing with his drone.

Another way to look at it would be to not destroy someone's drone by foolishly flying a commercial airliner into it. Responsibility is a two way street.
8 posted on 07/10/2014 1:28:25 PM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: MrShoop
"Coming within 800 feet of a cop is now grounds for arrest."

I would ordinarily agree with your cynicism but my daughter is a flight medic and drones do pose a navigational hazard.

9 posted on 07/10/2014 1:29:08 PM PDT by buckalfa (Long time caller --- first time listener.)
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To: Seizethecarp
I have this model (DJI Phantom 2) and it doesn't have anything to prevent you from flying near an airport. However, the Feds just a week ago made it illegal to fly them within 5 miles of an airport (before it was 2.5 miles I believe).

The range on the transmitter/controller is only 980 feet, and if it wanders out of range it will "return to home" for you (I haven't tested that feature yet).

They are a lot of fun, but I can definitely foresee a problem with them in congested cities.

10 posted on 07/10/2014 1:30:14 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: MrShoop
Coming within 800 feet of a cop is now grounds for arrest..

Try taking a picture of him while you're at it.

11 posted on 07/10/2014 1:31:26 PM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: Seizethecarp
This is a Dji Phantom III.

There's NO WAY that thing flew up to 2,000 feet. Not at that size, not with those small propellers and not at that weight. The radio control for that thing can't be more than 500 milliwatts at the most (half-a-watt) and wouldn't reach that far either!

Someone's lying --- and it's the Cops.

12 posted on 07/10/2014 1:32:40 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Seizethecarp

They aren’t drones, they are R/C aircraft. AFAIAC they are wonderful.

A R/C fan near Portland posts wonderful YT vids. Wait about 30 seconds for the music. Many times he flys around his neighborhood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJUQQWpFRvs&list=UU2RRNLsF0jMKZ4keG38JEPg

Then there is this Swedish guy who has done AMAZING things like fly over Niagara Falls. Here’s one of his freaking going into near space AND BACK!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpBnurznFio

R/C craft, drones aren’t the problem. People are
the problem.


13 posted on 07/10/2014 1:44:22 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Stop the Stupid!)
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To: Rusty0604

I thought they meant George W. Bush, too!


14 posted on 07/10/2014 1:48:24 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: Seizethecarp

Anything below 1200’ AGL is fair game until you get within 5nm around Class B,C, or D aerodromes.


15 posted on 07/10/2014 1:50:49 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Exactly where is the line between an RC plane and a drone?

Good question. Reporters are just hyping up the story because 'drone' sounds so much more sinister. What these guys were flying is a radio controlled model. Drone is really a very misapplied term. Drones use to refer to unmanned vehicles preprogramed to follow a certain flight path; often used for target practice. What is commonly referred to nowadays as a drone is really a remotely piloted vehicle (RPV). Same concept as a R/C model except an RPV is capable of being controlled from many miles away and does not rely on line-of-sight to pilot the craft. RPVs carry onboard cameras to relay visual information back to the operator.

16 posted on 07/10/2014 1:52:08 PM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: Seizethecarp

Turns out the cops were chasing the drone: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/07/10/1759249/police-recording-confirms-nypd-flew-at-a-drone-and-never-feared-crashing


17 posted on 07/10/2014 1:57:43 PM PDT by Deek
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To: Seizethecarp

The cops take that kind of thing very seriously.
They take everything seriously.
They are always serious, angry and aggressive. How dare those men fly a toy in their sky.

They had to take evasive action. Almost had to call in an MRAP and the SWAT Team. Probably had to wear camo for this very serious operation.

Cops don’t like no drones.
Oh, and dogs. Dogs make cops angry too.
Drones. Dogs. Eye contact.
Know your place slaves.


18 posted on 07/10/2014 2:07:48 PM PDT by Fear The People (When the government fears the people, you have LIBERTY.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation; Rusty0604

Well, regardless, it is obviously Bush’s fault, just ask any liberal! Poor guy, I’ll bet he doesn’t even get any of the tolls either!


19 posted on 07/10/2014 2:11:59 PM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: MrShoop

“Coming within 800 feet of a cop is now grounds for arrest..”

It was night. You can only see the lights. Licensed pilots know the rules.


20 posted on 07/10/2014 2:14:44 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Seizethecarp
It doesn't actually say whether they CAN go higher than that.

Multi-rotor models have been flown off peaks in the Rockies (out of ground effect), but they won't be carrying much of a load at that altitude. My full-size light plane would top out around 12,500 msl on a summer day with nearly full fuel and the quad copters are probably similar with a camera. Radio range enters in when flying from a lower elevation (~two miles; variable).

21 posted on 07/10/2014 2:21:23 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Fear The People

I think that the cops, feds and press are purposely using the term “drone” for anything we used to call a RC airplane to make them sound more sinister. I’m tempted to put a dog-shaped hull on my RC ‘copter - then the cops could get a twofer.


22 posted on 07/10/2014 2:29:47 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: realcleanguy

Too bad, officers, get over it. You fly over houses in the middle of the night below legal altitude and then you arrest kids flying a drone? Hypocrites
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Same here ,, I have police below 500’ regularly here..


23 posted on 07/10/2014 2:31:10 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

“Exactly where is the line between an RC plane and a drone?”

RC was always line of sight and thus very short range in my limited understanding as a non-user just reading AMA materials.

When autonomous GPS navigation was introduced and available to the hobby buyer, that was the big differentiator for me, anyway.

Autonomous GPS means that a drone is limited only by fuel, geographic obstacles or bad weather, etc.

Back in the mid-2000’s some guy flew his little model plane from Ireland to the US using GPS!

That sure was fun, but it also opened up a Pandora’s box for bad actors whether simply malicious or terrorist.


24 posted on 07/10/2014 2:34:58 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: realcleanguy

In the Obama Nation, a/k/a, the United States of America before November 4, 2008. Only a certain class of people have to obey the laws.


25 posted on 07/10/2014 2:35:26 PM PDT by sport
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To: livius

“No, they were actually buzzing the copter and thought it would be funny.”

Well, this was the excuse their defense attorney put up for them. This is the same excuse that would be expected if they had actually been Muzzie terrorists deliberately trying to crash the chopper!


26 posted on 07/10/2014 2:37:05 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Wow that’s impressive. Way back in 2003.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3145577.stm


27 posted on 07/10/2014 2:37:12 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Seizethecarp
When autonomous GPS navigation was introduced and available to the hobby buyer, that was the big differentiator for me, anyway.

The other new factor is First Person View (FPV -- permitting the pilot to see what the model "sees", even if out of sight visually).

Airborne FPV is a type of remote-control (RC) flying that has grown in popularity in recent years. It involves mounting a small video camera and an analogue video transmitter to an RC aircraft and flying by means of a live video down-link, commonly displayed on video goggles or a portable LCD screen. When flying FPV, the pilot's view is that of a would be real pilot on board the aircraft and as such does not need to maintain visual line of sight (LOS) of the aircraft compared with regular RC flying. As a result, FPV aircraft can be flown well beyond visual range, limited only by the range of the remote control and video equipment in use. FPV became increasingly common throughout the late 2000s and early 2010s.

28 posted on 07/10/2014 2:42:03 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: prisoner6

Agree.


29 posted on 07/10/2014 2:50:59 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Cementjungle

“The range on the transmitter/controller is only 980 feet, and if it wanders out of range it will ‘return to home’ for you (I haven’t tested that feature yet).”

Hmmm...Cops say they were at 2000 feet and needed to take evasive action. I suppose Youtube will quickly reveal what folks are able to do with the DJI Phantom II outside the “official” specs! (as usual).


30 posted on 07/10/2014 2:56:36 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: realcleanguy

“Too bad, officers, get over it. You fly over houses in the middle of the night below legal altitude and then you arrest kids flying a drone? Hypocrites”

IMO, your comment is off-base.

The GW Bridge is a crucial piece of national infrastructure and a high-value target of Islamist and other terrorists who want to humiliate the USA.

The NYPD uses helicopter patrols to defend the GWB and was at 2000 feet and not buzzing some residential area when it encountered an intruding UAV and properly tracked it back its base and working with the NYPD team was able to ID the operators.

If an attack were to be made on the GWB by terrorists, taking out the NYPD chopper defense pickets could well be a preliminary step, I would think.


31 posted on 07/10/2014 3:09:54 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

I heard that B&H in Manhattan is selling 200 of these things a day. That’s a lot of drones.


32 posted on 07/10/2014 3:19:17 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: nascarnation

I said:

“Back in the mid-2000’s some guy flew his little model plane from Ireland to the US using GPS!”

nascarnation reports:

“Wow that’s impressive. Way back in 2003.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3145577.stm

Apparently my memory is not so impressive. Ireland was involved and I got the right decade and the right ocean, but not the right direction of flight and the model was pretty big as models go, not little!

From the BBC article at the link:

An international team of model aeroplane enthusiasts say they have managed the first successful flight by a lightweight remote-controlled plane across the Atlantic.
US, Canadian and Irish engineers worked together to ensure “The Spirit of Butts Farm” - named after its testing site - landed safely in County Galway, Ireland on Monday 11 August, some 38 hours after it took off from Canada.

The balsa wood and mylar plane flew 3,039 kilometres (1,888 miles) using satellite navigation and an autopilot system overseen by engineers and radio operators using laptop computers.

If the flight is certified by the Federation Aeronautique Internationale, it will break world records for distance travelled by a model aeroplane as well as duration of flight.

In order for the records to be broken, the plane had to weigh less than five kilograms, including its “camping lantern” fuel.

Dave Brown, president of the American Academy of Model Aeronautics, told BBC News Online it had been “pins and needles” waiting for the plane to come into view over the Irish coast.


33 posted on 07/10/2014 6:01:26 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: usconservative

This is a DJI Phantom 2. Check out this Youtube showing some major altitude! I would say it is easily 2000 feet at this mountain top and then some.

There is some way you can toggle the Youtube controls to see the actual DJI live control screen during this flight but I am not that Youtube proficient.

“DJI Phantom 2 flying on a mountain - HeliPal.com”

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dji+phantom+2+gps+drone&FORM=VIRE3#view=detail&mid=3AC46662B06CEFF47B013AC46662B06CEFF47B01


34 posted on 07/10/2014 6:24:39 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

There are a LOT of cautionary tales in the Amazon product reviews for the DJI Phantom drone Quadcopter products, it seems...

http://www.amazon.com/DJI-Phantom-Aerial-Drone-Quadcopter/product-reviews/B00AGOSQI8/ref=cm_cr_pr_top_link_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=byRankDescending


35 posted on 07/10/2014 6:42:02 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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