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Now What? What is our moral and legal obligation to these children being used as political pawns?
American Thinker ^ | 07/11/2014 | Carol Brown

Posted on 07/11/2014 8:04:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

What do we do about this massive flood of people entering the United States illegally? Like many, I am turning this question over in my mind as I witness the lawless chaos that is unfolding at the border, and beyond.

We have legal channels for people to immigrate to America. We’re not operating in a vacuum. There is no reason for those in power to ignore our immigration laws. Unless, of course, you want to fundamentally transform America.

When the rule of law is not enforced, where does that leave us?

[SNIP]

Congressman Louie Gohmert has reminded us that another result of the progressive embrace of illegals swarming our country is that it will go a long way toward turning Texas (and all of America) blue.

So what do we do?

As to illegals flooding our border, many say, “send them back.”

Sounds good. How exactly does that work, for example, with an unaccompanied 6-year-old? Do you ask him for his address? Then what? Put him on a plane destined for the nearest city to the address he gave?

The fate of thousands upon thousands of abandoned children is in our hands. They were abandoned in their country of origin, but now they are here. What is our moral and legal obligation to these children who are being used as political pawns?

As for the adults, families, and who knows how many dangerous characters that have leaked across our southern border, it is sheer madness to put them on buses and planes and sprinkle them throughout the United States. And anybody who defends this by saying they have been given dates to show up in court to review their case is simply insane.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; immigration; moralabsolutes

1 posted on 07/11/2014 8:04:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
How exactly does that work, for example, with an unaccompanied 6-year-old?

That's a typical rhetorical trick, to start with the most extreme example.

Instead, you should start with the most typical and easy examples, in this case, the teen-age illegal immigrants, who appear to be the great majority. Kick their a**es out immediately.

Then we can worry about the 6-year-olds.

2 posted on 07/11/2014 8:09:34 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals: Users and Abusers.


3 posted on 07/11/2014 8:09:58 AM PDT by two23
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To: SeekAndFind

My obligation to any illegal alien is zero.


4 posted on 07/11/2014 8:11:22 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: SeekAndFind

Their home governments have constituted authorities whose job it is to deal with stuff like this. Return them to San Salvador International Airport and let the Salvadorans sort it out. They are a sovereign nation. They can take care of this themselves.


5 posted on 07/11/2014 8:11:36 AM PDT by marron
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To: SeekAndFind
family reunification is our only obligation

send back to country of origin for help in tracing birth family. they came from some family down there. so send them back down there and start from there

have Guatemala and Honduras no national pride whatsoever in their culture and in these families?

6 posted on 07/11/2014 8:13:32 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: SeekAndFind
We certainly have the moral obligation not to harm them....except,perhaps,the ones who are actually MS13 members.We also have the obligation to reunite them with their families...in the homeland...ASAP.If we're unable to do *that* we have the obligation to present them to their home country's Department of Internal Affairs Headquarters in their national capital.

Safe and sound,as I said.

7 posted on 07/11/2014 8:13:40 AM PDT by SayNoToDems (Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We're only seeing singing Hitlers.)
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To: SeekAndFind; 185JHP; 230FMJ; AKA Elena; APatientMan; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
I've said this before. I'll say it again.

This devious plan by Obama to use innocent children as the front line of invaders to destroy America is genius. Pure genius. Cloward, Piven and Alinsky would be so proud.

To use children as props is immoral. Even though demonrats have no morals, they do know this puts weaker conservatives in a moral dilemma.

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8 posted on 07/11/2014 8:14:36 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

We have no particular obligation to these children as a nation. Individuals can feel compelled to help but they can’t MAKE us as a nation take up this cause. Let Hollywood throw a telethon :-)


9 posted on 07/11/2014 8:15:26 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Easy. You just DON’T LET THEM IN.


10 posted on 07/11/2014 8:15:54 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: jmaroneps37

RE: Let Hollywood throw a telethon :-)

George Harrison organized a concert for Bangladesh.

I suggest Bruce Springsteen organize a concert for Central America :)


11 posted on 07/11/2014 8:16:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: silverleaf
have Guatemala and Honduras no national pride whatsoever in their culture and in these families?

Castro emptied his prisons and mental hospitals in the late 1970's.Guatemala,etc are emptying their slums and mental hospitals (and maybe their prisons too).

12 posted on 07/11/2014 8:16:44 AM PDT by SayNoToDems (Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We're only seeing singing Hitlers.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We need to make sure they’re safe, fed, sheltered - AND returned to their parents as quickly as possible.


13 posted on 07/11/2014 8:17:18 AM PDT by GOPJ (A ship once out of port is hard to capture:know this now before it is too late. - Solon)
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To: silverleaf

RE: Have Guatemala and Honduras no national pride whatsoever in their culture and in these families?

I think the answer is NO. So, what then?


14 posted on 07/11/2014 8:17:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Send em all back —

I feel a deeper obligation to those back in Honduras waiting in line to come here.


15 posted on 07/11/2014 8:18:25 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SeekAndFind

“Sounds good. How exactly does that work, for example, with an unaccompanied 6-year-old?”

Not criticizing the article, but this so chaps my hide. It’s national vandalism.

The cause of this is the implied amnesty offered by 0bama. I don’t think too many disagree with this. There have always been illegals and economic emigrees from poorer nations here, I get that. There were not floods of tens and hundreds of thousands of illegals all swarming to the border over 2-3-4 month periods.

BUT TO FIX THIS we have to wring our hands and guilt ourselves as to how cruel we are or how altruistic and understanding we are. And we have to house them and we have to feed them and we have to de-louse them and inoculate them and lawyer them for their deport/non-deport hearings then we have to track them and have to transport them all over the place and then school them. And we have to massively expand DHS and we have to upgrade our security because we don’t know crap about how many of these people might be Islamic malcontents or terrorists wishing to do us harm. We have to ask “how exactly does this work” and undoubtedly spend millions for consultants and studies and every sort of government grift imaginable. Not to mention the load they will impose upon hospitals and welfare programs. Then we have to go get their parents or if they are parents we have to go get their kids, or, for those who get deported, we have to pay to deport them.

We are the negative beneficiary, the victims of this grandiosity of the part of a runaway government but when WE claim victimhood, we’re racist haters.

It’s vandalism. A delinquent with a $2.99 can of spray paint trashes your garage door and you get stuck spending a grand replacing or fixing it.


16 posted on 07/11/2014 8:19:55 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: SeekAndFind

The decline into the depths of national insanity continues.


17 posted on 07/11/2014 8:23:37 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: SeekAndFind

We need to break the “children” narrative.


18 posted on 07/11/2014 8:23:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Most of these Illegals will go home on their own once they find out they sold their soul to the Devil


19 posted on 07/11/2014 8:24:31 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: SayNoToDems

“Guatemala, etc are emptying their slums and mental hospitals...”

Dumping exotic third world diseases on us too, in addition to common diseases.


20 posted on 07/11/2014 8:28:34 AM PDT by Zuse (I am disrupted! I am offended! I am insulted! I am outraged!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The kids are coming from Central American countries and Mexico where there is nothing but poverty, government incompetence and failure, cultural breakdown, anarchy, corruption, abuse, ignorance, molestation, filth and starvation. Just look at them. They come for our Dream Act, the land of endless handouts, showers, healthcare, food, drug gangs, Democrats, Obama phones, housing, violence, hate, and revolution.


21 posted on 07/11/2014 8:30:30 AM PDT by pallis
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To: SeekAndFind

....”What is our moral and legal obligation to these children who are being used as political pawns?”....

No obligation whatsoever......bus them back their own country.
Further...only 18% are “children”...and often if with an adult at all he was kidnapped in order to get over the border. Even so...send him home.

I have no compassion toward those coming in regardless of their “story”.....they need to be returned to their country.


22 posted on 07/11/2014 8:32:46 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind

Basic medical care.

A hot meal.

Transportation to the Embassy of their country of origin in DC.

That’s it.


23 posted on 07/11/2014 8:33:35 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Since the U.S. government is the agency foisting this unwanted herd across our borders, I believe that every American ought to be involved, with SENDING THEM BACK!


24 posted on 07/11/2014 8:35:35 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: SeekAndFind

Our moral obligation extends only to treating them humanely while expeditiously returning them to their homes.

Diplomatically, we need to lay down an ultimatum to the countries that are facilitating this invasion: take care of your own borders or we will withdraw all aid and halt all commerce with you. And immigration from your countries will be indefinitely suspended. And you will be assessed the costs of caring for the invaders plus the costs of returning them to your country.


25 posted on 07/11/2014 8:39:38 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: SeekAndFind

Not my children, not your children

Send them back, let their real parents take care of them. They brought them into the world, the Latin American world, not America’s world.

Get them out, now. Cut off all aid to Mexico until it stops these trains, etc from passing thru its territory. Mexico is aiding and abetting Obama.

Avoid Mexico at all costs. No tourism, no purchase of products produced there. Screw these b*******


26 posted on 07/11/2014 8:45:29 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Get rid of "birthright citizenship" Out of room . . . no mas)
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To: SeekAndFind

then maybe we ask why liberals are embarrassed to fly and wear our flag, and insist on English language, in the public schools these teaming masses will occupy


27 posted on 07/11/2014 8:51:32 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: SeekAndFind
CUI BONO? No Red Cross? No 24/7 photos and videos from CNN? Not a word about coyote fees over $500 million or the $3.7 billion which will mainly go to civil rights lawyers?

Just maybe the Central American 'authorities' and those in Mexico and perhaps our own ICE, DHS and DHH have a piece of the action, the vig? Those kids did not get to the border on their bikes.

28 posted on 07/11/2014 9:02:53 AM PDT by masadaman
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To: SeekAndFind
What do we do about this massive flood of people entering the United States illegally?

We? "We" have no say in it. Those in power are going to let them stay, give them amnesty, and "we" are going to pay for it. They don't get a d*** what "we" think about it.

As for the six-year-olds and all the others, don't even let them pass the border. Then Mexico will have to deal with them. Word will soon get out and they'll stop coming. Not that that is likely to happen.

29 posted on 07/11/2014 9:03:25 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: SeekAndFind
It is not our countries burden to bear. It is the countries they came from, burden to bear. Just find out what county they came from, and return them to that countries government. Simple as that. This is not rocket science.

If American runaway children were flooding Canada or Mexico by the 10's of thousands, what do you think either country would do ?

30 posted on 07/11/2014 9:06:45 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What are the moral and legal obligations of their countries of origin?


31 posted on 07/11/2014 9:14:10 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: caww
I have no compassion toward those coming in regardless of their “story”.....they need to be returned to their country.

I notice the news is full of faith groups touting our obligations to the children. It seems to me that expressions of charity are only righteous if they are done on a personal level. Forcing me to pay for your charitable contributions through higher school taxes, increased medical costs and increasing deficits is just theft.

32 posted on 07/11/2014 9:41:51 AM PDT by Bearshouse
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To: SeekAndFind

Our moral obligation is to feed them and send them back home. Our legal obligation is to protect our citizens. That’s about the end of it.


33 posted on 07/11/2014 9:47:40 AM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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To: silverleaf; marron
"family reunification is our only obligation send back to country of origin for help in tracing birth family. they came from some family down there. so send them back down there and start from there"

Strongly disagree. Reunification of families is the responsibility of the country of origin, NOT ours. I believe marron's solution is right on target: return the children to their countries' airports and drop them off.

Reverse the situation. If American families abandoned their children and sent them to Guatemala, would it be Guatemala's obligation to reunify each child with its parents? Of course not.

34 posted on 07/11/2014 10:17:31 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Bearshouse
"I notice the news is full of faith groups touting our obligations to the children. It seems to me that expressions of charity are only righteous if they are done on a personal level. Forcing me to pay for your charitable contributions through higher school taxes, increased medical costs and increasing deficits is just theft."

Last night, Sean Hannity talked to two Catholic Charities members---one a nun, the other the head of the organization. He asked them repeatedly if the best thing for the children wasn't to send them back to their parents, and he had a difficult time getting an answer. The nun said we need to go these countries and improve conditions for those who live there.

Sean opined that the U.S. can't be responsible for the entire world, and those two sat there with goofy grins on their faces as if they couldn't comprehend what he meant.

35 posted on 07/11/2014 10:21:14 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Lurker

RE: Transportation to the Embassy of their country of origin in DC.

Can their embassies in DC house tens of thousands of them?


36 posted on 07/11/2014 11:10:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: CatherineofAragon

RE: The nun said we need to go these countries and improve conditions for those who live there.

I agree with the nun. But first things first — SEND THEM HOME. Then, send missionaries to help them improve their conditions IN THEIR COUNTRY.


37 posted on 07/11/2014 11:12:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Bearshouse

RE: I notice the news is full of faith groups touting our obligations to the children. It seems to me that expressions of charity are only righteous if they are done on a personal level.

Two step process.

1) SEND THEM HOME.

2) THEN, Encourage Faith Based groups to go to their countries and HELP THEM.

I’d donate to #2 and even volunteer to spend a few months there.


38 posted on 07/11/2014 11:13:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: MUDDOG

For all of them, from toddler to teen: bus them to the border crossing and let them off. Its a Mexican problem.


39 posted on 07/11/2014 11:15:12 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: CatherineofAragon
The nun said we need to go these countries and improve conditions for those who live there.

She's right. She, her church, churches all across America could do well sending people there to do what they can to help. They could even organize volunteers to go with the children and meet the families, and organize a ministry to help them.

Just don't forget that these countries are sovereign, the kids' parents are adults, the constituted authorities are adults, and they have the primary responsibility in this.

Their kids are their responsibility. As Christians we can help them... but that doesn't include hosting a mass migration of people from their home countries or hosting their kids. Help the families if you feel led. But help them in their home community. Separating kids from their families is not an answer. And as I say, hosting a mass migration isn't either.

40 posted on 07/11/2014 11:49:23 AM PDT by marron
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s not our problem.


41 posted on 07/11/2014 12:17:33 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: marron

Yes, I agree with all of that.

From what the Catholic Charities nurse said, however, I presumed she was speaking of government involvement...hence Hannity’s remark that the U.S. can’t be responsible for the world.


42 posted on 07/11/2014 12:19:40 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: SauronOfMordor
The toddler stuff is just a smokescreen to change the conversation from the real issue of stopping and rolling back the invasion.

A variant of the "for the children" BS.

43 posted on 07/11/2014 1:24:38 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: SeekAndFind

Our moral obligation is plane fare back to where they came from; our legal obligation is to send a bill to their governments for the cost of their plane fare, and a bill to the government of Mexico for shuttling them through their country into ours.


44 posted on 07/11/2014 2:31:56 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: silverleaf
family reunification is our only obligation

If it was good enough for Elian Gonzalez, it's good enough for these kids.


45 posted on 07/11/2014 2:34:32 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: SeekAndFind

A simple task - deliver them to the capital building of the country from which they came - complete with FNC and CNN new coverage.

They are NOT our problem, regardless of what the freaking liberals want to flipping claim.


46 posted on 07/11/2014 2:49:46 PM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Our obligation is to return them to their homes and unite them with their families as we did with Elian Gonzales.


47 posted on 07/11/2014 6:41:46 PM PDT by kalee
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