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Native Hawaiians to Federal Government: Give Us Back Our Kingdom
NBC News Online ^ | July 11, 2014 | Frances Kai-Hwa Wang

Posted on 07/11/2014 8:44:48 AM PDT by nikos1121

The federal government posed a series of questions to Native Hawaiians, with whom it's seeking to reestablish nation-to-nation status. The answer it received, to all, was a resounding "no."

This week, the Department of the Interior wrapped up two weeks of public meetings in Hawaii soliciting input from the Native Hawaiian community on setting up a similar structure to the one it has with Native American tribes.

Kale Gumapac was one of the 130 people who signed up to speak in Hilo on the island of Hawaii.

“[On] the questions that you raised for everyone to answer. It’s a trap," said Gumapac. "But I’m going to answer it anyway. ‘A‘ole [No]. No to everything that you guys are wanting and everything you are wanting to do. Because we can do it ourselves. We have our own government. We have the Queen, Liliuokalani, and the constitution of the Kingdom of Hawaii continues to exist. You need to learn that constitution so that you can know when to ask permission to come into the Kingdom of Hawaii.”

Gumapac and hundreds more showed up to testify at the fifteen public hearings held on the islands of Oahu, Lanai, Molokai, Kauai, Hawaii, and Maui.

Residents delivered passionate accounts of Hawaiian history, U.S. militarism, cultural and environmental degradation, land disputes, and a steady stream of "no's" to the five questions asked by the Department of Interior.

“The Kingdom of Hawaii was never a tribe,” Francis Moku Malani, Jr. testified at the Hilo hearing last week, “We are a sovereign nation.”

The 1993 Apology Resolution publicly acknowledged and apologized for the United States’ involvement in the illegal overthrow of Queen Liliuokalani and the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1893, admitting that the United States violated Native Hawaiians’ right to self-determination and international law.

In 2000, the Departments of the Interior and Justice jointly issued a recommendation for self-determination for Native Hawaiians. From 2000 to 2010, Senator Daniel Akaka tried unsuccessfully to push what has become known as “The Akaka Bill” for federal recognition through Congress.

"No to everything that you guys are wanting and everything you are wanting to do. Because we can do it ourselves."

These public meetings come now as the Secretary of the Interior considers a federal administrative rule to reestablish a government-to-government relationship with the Native Hawaiian community. More than 560 tribes currently hold similar status, with federal considerations on issues ranging from land management to social services.

Mililani Trask, attorney and United Nations expert on indigenous people, said while most Hawaiians wanted federal recognition, the way the government was proceeding was unacceptable.

“I think every Hawaiian would like to see a nation-to-nation relationship, but it can only happen when both nations are given a seat at the table," Trask said at the Hilo meeting.

"What you propose here is that the nation that overthrew our peoples and apologized for it without making reparations, that that nation would sit at the table and somehow fashion a procedure, hoping that in the future another true nation would somehow emerge. That will never happen.”

Five more public meetings will be held on the mainland U.S. through the beginning of August, and public comment from the Native Hawaiian community and federally recognized Native American tribes will be accepted until August 19.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: hawaii
Sounds reasonable. How about we just leave, and see how fast Japan, China and every other two bit country decides that Hawaii belongs to them.
1 posted on 07/11/2014 8:44:48 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

That goes back to Hawaii Five O classic episode back in early 1970s

There was episode of Hawaiann Nationalist go terror plant on nuke plant remember


2 posted on 07/11/2014 8:47:11 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: nikos1121

The Senate loses two liberal senators and the taxpayers lose a whole state full of gibsmedats.

So much win!


3 posted on 07/11/2014 8:47:41 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician. Some assembly required.)
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To: nikos1121
just hold "the spam shipment" hostage..they'll cave.

4 posted on 07/11/2014 8:49:19 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Jihadist/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Arm_Bears

Excellent.


5 posted on 07/11/2014 8:51:14 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: nikos1121

The problem with leaving Hawai’i is that the Hawai’ians are no longer the only people living in Hawai’i. I can see an accomadation being reached where the US Government could buy an island like Lanai from Larry Ellison and then provide it to the Hawai’ians for their exclusive use. But the thought of letting a Hawai’ian minority secede from the US and then rule over the majority is a recipe for failure and bloodshed. It cannot be allowed to happen.


6 posted on 07/11/2014 8:51:39 AM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: nikos1121
I don't know what the correct answer is here but I do commend the Hawaiians for not walking into the same lousy deal that the Native Americans got.

7 posted on 07/11/2014 8:52:15 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: nikos1121
You beat me to it!!

Let's see how fast the Hawaiians can recruit, equip and train an army to defend themselves... without US fed aid.

8 posted on 07/11/2014 8:52:34 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: nikos1121

Give the Hawaiians what they want and see it deteriorate to the same third world level as other islands in Micronesia.


9 posted on 07/11/2014 8:52:43 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: Arm_Bears

You bet! And if it were made retroactive, our current president wouldn’t be qualified as a citizen.


10 posted on 07/11/2014 8:52:51 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: nikos1121

I don’t see why Hawaii couldn’t revert to an unincorporated status (similar to Puerto Rico). Allow the monarch status to be introduced back, with some democratic reforms, and allow the US to have basing rights. Other than that....revoke the state status and let them be what they desire. Anyone within the US government who wants to compare them to the US Indians....is sadly mistaken.


11 posted on 07/11/2014 8:53:14 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: nikos1121
Give Us Back Our Kingdom

A kingdom, if you can keep it.

12 posted on 07/11/2014 8:53:48 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: MeganC
Why not just create a migration plan for those who wish to remain citizens of the USA? Let them transition to living abroad, or move to another state.

I am all for it. Drops two liberal Senators, sets a prescient for other states. Win-win there. I think that could send a huge message to the Feds on the importance of States' Rights.

13 posted on 07/11/2014 8:58:10 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: SevenofNine

Book em Dano, separation 1

Actually, sounds like a good idea, we can even arrange for the king to return so we can all say: Mahalo Obama.


14 posted on 07/11/2014 9:05:06 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: nikos1121
What is the percentage of ethnic Hawaiians living in those islands today? Six percent?

What happens to the other 94%, do they become second class citizens? Or will your social status depend upon when your ancestors arrived? If so, the 25% of Hawaii residents who are caucasians will be in the number two spot, followed by Japanese, Chinese, Filippino, etc.

This is a stupid exercise made possible only because of the racial identity lunacy gripping the country these past few decades.

15 posted on 07/11/2014 9:06:27 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: ryderann

He’s not anyway


16 posted on 07/11/2014 9:08:37 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Get rid of "birthright citizenship" Out of room . . . no mas)
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To: Mouton

I think the episode I look it up on IMB

It was Clock strike twelve

They probably Hawaii fed building


17 posted on 07/11/2014 9:09:57 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Arm_Bears

Can we throw in California, too?


18 posted on 07/11/2014 9:17:25 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: SevenofNine

This is just great...the “native” Hawaiians will then demand (and get) welfare payments from US citizens so they can sit around, eat spam, dance and stare at the sunsets. That’s all the world needs is yet another self-entitled class of hangers-ons.


19 posted on 07/11/2014 9:17:38 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: nikos1121

You can’t whinge your way to independence. Try war, Hawaii. That often works.


20 posted on 07/11/2014 9:20:07 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: nikos1121

Sorry Hawaii, the South tried this over 100 years ago and it didn’t go too well. Once you’re in you’re in forever.


21 posted on 07/11/2014 9:24:41 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Mouton

Negative. No refunds, no returns...


22 posted on 07/11/2014 9:40:35 AM PDT by BigIsleGal (Wake Me Up When the Stupid Wears Off)
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To: nikos1121

Ask them for a sign of good faith - BO’s birth certificate.


23 posted on 07/11/2014 9:48:04 AM PDT by WhatWouldReaganDo
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To: nikos1121

Take your island and your Democrats too. Bye.


24 posted on 07/11/2014 9:50:04 AM PDT by BinaryBoy ("Immigration Reform" is ballot stuffing)
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To: hal ogen

That has been happening for decades. If you go to Waimanalo on the windward side that is the lifestyle, although they see the sunrise. At UH this is the crowd that has had nothing to do with their sociology degrees.

How about this scenario. We let them have Hawaii, they pay us for the bases. Hawaii degenerates to what happened to Subic Bay, Philippines, no welfare, no subsidies, the economy collapses, we all go back and pick up cheap real estate and it becomes a place frozen in time like Cuba.


25 posted on 07/11/2014 10:00:29 AM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: Arm_Bears

Works for me. However, we keep our military bases (including Pearl Harbor) and all of the National Parks. The natives can have the rest.


26 posted on 07/11/2014 10:08:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: nikos1121

I’m all for this. if they can get freedom from the Federal Government, more power to them.


27 posted on 07/11/2014 10:22:10 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: MeganC

If it becomes a kingdom—who would be the ruler? It might go to China.


28 posted on 07/11/2014 11:20:16 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: nikos1121

Let’s see now...Hawaii would become a third-world nation and cheaper to vacation. We lose their liberal congress critters, too. Seems we all win.


29 posted on 07/11/2014 11:21:46 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: C19fan

“Give the Hawaiians what they want and see it deteriorate to the same third world level as other islands in Micronesia.”

Yep. Spent time on Kwaj and Roi. As much money that goes into the place not much improves.


30 posted on 07/11/2014 11:22:53 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
If it becomes a kingdom—who would be the ruler? It might go to China.

"The Germans! They bombed it once!"


31 posted on 07/11/2014 11:23:46 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: SevenofNine

I thought that the whole annexation of Hawaii situation was because of Dole wanting free reign to do their corporate pineapples growing thing. Hawaii should be allowed independence.


32 posted on 07/11/2014 11:29:09 AM PDT by grania
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To: MUDDOG; flaglady47; mickie; Maine Mariner; pax_et_bonum
"Give Us Back Our Kingdom"

Fine with me. Give this leftist, socialist paradise back to whoever wants it. Good riddance!

Obama, who loves it there, can be the first restoration king of the islands with a faggy lei for a crown and an overripe pineapple for an orb.

He can be King Barackamehamehahaha, and his wife can be Queen Michellilihuokalanidavis clad in a royal grass skirt...and they can live in a little grass shack in Kealakekukukuua where the humuhumunukonukuapuaas go swimming by.

Aloha!

Leni

33 posted on 07/11/2014 11:44:17 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: nikos1121

Hawaii will be permitted to secede and establish a monarchy. Texas will not be.


34 posted on 07/11/2014 11:48:44 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: nikos1121
While your at it, let's just sell Alaska back to Russia and than undue the Louisiana purchase and give 1/3 of America back to France. We also basically forced Mexico to sell us California, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico along with Texas after the battle of San Jacinto when we kicked Santa Anna's a$$. So lets give the Northwest and plains back to the Lakota and Sioux Nations and retreat back to the original 13 colonies and undue all of history so coconut eaters can go back to calling everyone hollyboys just off jet!

NUTS!

35 posted on 07/11/2014 11:51:42 AM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: nikos1121

Where do I send a donation to this most worthy cause?
As far as I can see that will cost Democrats two Senators and what three congressman? Sounds great to me! Take your poi poi and take a walk.


36 posted on 07/11/2014 12:01:04 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: BigIsleGal

No refunds, no returns...

I will meet you half way, don’t want a refund....be happy to make the donation. What you do with the king is your business. My suggestion would be to take him up to Poli Lookout and force him to do the honorable thing.


37 posted on 07/11/2014 12:02:47 PM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: hal ogen

Yeah that episode they were tick off that nobody gave them money I think season 5 they replace Kono with some other dude


38 posted on 07/11/2014 12:54:16 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: circlecity

OH I see it like Godfather 3

Once you try get out of the business

They pull you back in RIGHT LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UneS2Uwc6xw


39 posted on 07/11/2014 12:55:57 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: MinuteGal
Obama, who loves it there, can be the first restoration king

Oh we're going, to a Barackilau...

;^)

40 posted on 07/11/2014 1:11:25 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: nikos1121

My brother is buried in the Punch Bowl along with many thousands of USA military personnel who died fighting for the USA. I would not want to see a time when the Punch Bowl is not a dedication to those that died for the USA. That being said I suppose the Punch Bowl could be like the memorial cemeteries in Europe that exist to honor USA soldiers that died in Europe. I have no objection to letting Hawaii be a government apart from the USA. It is my understanding that Hawaii was only chosen for statehood was to offset Alaska’s political statehood.


41 posted on 07/11/2014 1:47:33 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2

Wow. Another Missouri compromise.


42 posted on 07/11/2014 2:23:20 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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Good grief. Now we’ll suffer the endless Liberal bitching about Hawaii..

To Hell with all that Liberal crap. Give us back our damn sanity!


43 posted on 07/11/2014 2:26:58 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: MUDDOG

Question. How so?


44 posted on 07/11/2014 2:27:57 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: nikos1121

We can hand you over to Japan.


45 posted on 07/11/2014 2:29:08 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: noinfringers2

In 1820, when Missouri was admitted as a slave state, Maine was broken off from Massachusetts and admitted as a free state, in order to keep the balance in the Senate.


46 posted on 07/11/2014 2:38:00 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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