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HHS Bankrolled Catholic and Baptist Church from 2010 to 2013 to Prepare for Obama’s 2014 Invasion!
Liberty News ^ | July 11 2014 | Eric Odom

Posted on 07/11/2014 11:05:17 AM PDT by PoloSec

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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Granted, the American bishops have generally been sympathetic toward many socialist policies, and if they did cooperate knowingly, they’ll deserve the criticism.

No they'll deserve and should receive is defrocking and the Baptist officials including preachers fired. The strongest weapon members have is their voice and their money. Voice disgust and send tithe money to a charity not associated with the church or this mess.

51 posted on 07/11/2014 12:17:47 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: blueplum

Thanks.


52 posted on 07/11/2014 12:17:49 PM PDT by sport
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To: fishtank

“...RCC, the Russian Orthodox, the Geneva Reformed with Calvin, the Anglicans, the Lutherans.”

the difference is that “ the Russian Orthodox, the Geneva Reformed with Calvin, the Anglicans, the Lutherans” were actually owned and operated by the state to the point that in 3 out of 4 of them doctrine was decided on BY THE STATE. The Catholic was never owned or operated by the state, the state did not decide its doctrine.


53 posted on 07/11/2014 12:20:01 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Sacajaweau

If it weren’t for double standards the Left would have none at all..................


54 posted on 07/11/2014 12:22:29 PM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 2,759 threads and 85,158 replies...............)
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To: PoloSec

It’s not that I’m unwilling to believe this but where is the documentation?

I checked at the one source provided in the comments at the article site but it is just a PO detailing what will be required by the vendors providing the services. Where is the documentation showing those amounts of money were given to these churches/organizations?

It’s not that I doubt Obama has planned this whole thing (I do his administration did!) but to implicate these church denominations without appropriate sources seems like sensational journalism. Just my 2 cents.


55 posted on 07/11/2014 12:24:18 PM PDT by Lake Living
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To: PoloSec

If this is true...and has the endorsement of bishops...I am more than disgusted...

This is absolutely treasonous to do this clandestinely through a government agency in cooperation with religious denominations.

I haven’t given to CC for a very long time knowing SOME of the crap they are into ... but now ... if this comes out as true... I’m gonna be whopping POed at my boss.


56 posted on 07/11/2014 12:24:33 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: SisterK

Very few like to listen to what I talk about, but are we ready yet to admit that there is indeed a coordinated effort ?

The mainstream Church denominations have been corrupted.

No one wants to admit that “their Church” might be run by reprobates.

There has been for hundreds of years corruption far beyond what most people would imagine.

The top financial elites sit atop the wicked hierarchy.

Long ago they set up foundations which exert control over society inside of tax-exempt organizations such as the Ford Foundation.

http://www.fordfoundation.org/grants/grantdetails?grantid=112242

Church World Service

For the Immigration and Refugee Program to build the capacity of local congregations to effectively mobilize for immigration reform, implementation & the integration of immigrants into American life

Amount $500,000
Year of Approval 2009
Region United States
Issue Freedom of Expression
Initiative Religion in the Public Sphere
Primary Approach Capacity Building and Technical Assistance


57 posted on 07/11/2014 12:25:38 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PoloSec

I am praying that the SBC is not involved in this.


58 posted on 07/11/2014 12:27:48 PM PDT by sport
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To: maggief

Maggief, this link says the info is not available or was moved (?).

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/North-Texas-Prepares-for-Presidential-Visit—266461651.html


59 posted on 07/11/2014 12:28:31 PM PDT by Lake Living
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To: sport
Keep us posted on that.

Sounds to me like an org than may have started out connected to Baptist churches...like an orphanage... decades ago and was taken over and expanded by others along the way.

I've thought for some time that churches that accept federal dollars to fund their charity work, should be charged property taxes. They were exempted because they did charity work...that the gov't took over.

60 posted on 07/11/2014 12:30:17 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

AND Obama wants $3.8 billion more right now...and that 80 million was our taxpayer dollars too.


61 posted on 07/11/2014 12:30:40 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...get off your cowardly a$ses and be A PATRIOT now!)
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To: lonestar

I will.


62 posted on 07/11/2014 12:31:23 PM PDT by sport
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To: Lake Living

Note my prior post. Ford Foundation has a history of working with the CIA.

Churches feed at the government trough, getting as much reimbursement as possible for health and human services.

If you look at the tippy-top of mainstream denomination leadership, you’ll find cozy relationships with government.

This is why doctrine is “flexible”, to accomodate what “powers and principalities” want.

The smaller Reformed denominations are not so much “in the loop” on these cozy government relationships, other than them being reliable about providing carte blanche support for any military escapades the government decides to embark on.

You’ve got to get to a pretty tiny denomination before you find preachers preaching against evil things the government does.


63 posted on 07/11/2014 12:33:06 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Dapper 26

501c3 churches are another example of govt control


64 posted on 07/11/2014 12:33:45 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: lonestar

Addendum to 62.
I also printed out the story with the link and intend to hand it to my Pastor Sunday for him to investigate.


65 posted on 07/11/2014 12:34:22 PM PDT by sport
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To: Lake Living

Sorry about that.

Try this one:
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2014/07/gov-perrys-chat-with-obama-will-be-aloft-on-marine-one.html/


66 posted on 07/11/2014 12:34:38 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Working for Caesar is not working for Christ


67 posted on 07/11/2014 12:35:20 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: PieterCasparzen

“are we ready yet to admit that there is indeed a coordinated effort ?”

There is indeed a coordinated effort. Yes indeed.
Of Biblical Proportions


68 posted on 07/11/2014 12:39:20 PM PDT by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: sport
It isn't exactly Lottie Moon! LOL!

I can't imagine it being a Baptist church organization and it NOT be SBC. I've never heard of it.

69 posted on 07/11/2014 12:39:40 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar
I'm sincerely confused --- even wondering if there are two or more different organizations called BCFC.

On the one hand, if you google BCFC, everything leads you to an apparently secular humanitarian organization which has no connection with Baptist or Christ or anything faith-based at all. Just a Texas-based 501(c)(3) or charitable NGO with world "outreach" (nothing about mission in the religious sense.) --- oh, and no explanation of what the "B" is for in "BCFC".

On the other hand, if you google BCFC Baptist, there indeed a number of Baptist groups called BCFC, but most of them are Baptist Church Fishing Clubs!

So my hypothesis is that the BCFC which is getting all the millions in government moolah, is the secular nonprofit BCFC.

70 posted on 07/11/2014 12:39:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Resettozero

Yes that and please don’t call me Shirley.


71 posted on 07/11/2014 12:41:05 PM PDT by LivingNet
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To: PieterCasparzen

I am filling the collection envelopes with no money, but I will leave this message:

“No donations unless you stop funding the illegal invasion with our sacrifices.”

Please pass this on to others. Let this be a pro-American silent demonstration.


72 posted on 07/11/2014 12:43:10 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: Truth29
"This is planning way beyond the capabilities of the GOP"

So true. Makes me wonder when and where the "Reichstag fire" will occur, leading to martial law and cancelled elections.

73 posted on 07/11/2014 12:46:25 PM PDT by Reo (the 4th Estate is a 5th Column)
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To: lonestar

Me either. That is why I was curious. As long as it is not the Southern Baptists, I am not too concerned. After thinking about it, It may be one of the Black offshoots like the National Baptists of the Henry Lyons variety.

It was the word “Baptist” that knocked me for a loop. I seriously doubt that the Southern Baptists were involved. I just want to hear it from them.


74 posted on 07/11/2014 12:47:03 PM PDT by sport
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To: bereanway
I'm still confused. Is BCFC perhaps an ex-Baptist organization?

A little more info here:

#70

75 posted on 07/11/2014 12:53:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Sacajaweau

OH I guess the Administration only wants seperation of real Christians and State....others need not worry.


76 posted on 07/11/2014 12:53:48 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...get off your cowardly a$ses and be A PATRIOT now!)
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To: vladimir998

You are right. Thr RCC ended up controlling the state, not the other way around.

Either way, they ended up persecuting independent believers.


77 posted on 07/11/2014 12:57:05 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Reo

We got a long time yet to the 2016 Elections. If Obama leaves the White House I will be the most surprised person in the United States.


78 posted on 07/11/2014 12:57:27 PM PDT by sport
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To: PoloSec

This is very interesting....last night on Hannity there was a nun and priest on there talking about how the church was helping with the illegals by housing and feeding them and they had “plenty” of money because people had been so generous by giving to the church. They FAILED to mention that the “taxpayers” were paying the tab without knowing it!
I am hoping Hannity will replay last nights program from the border and I’ll pay closer attention to how they worded having plenty of money on hand....


79 posted on 07/11/2014 12:57:47 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: Resettozero
Best guess seems to be it's a global secular humanitarian NGO that started out as a Texas-based Baptist mission but isn't anymore.

#70

And

#75

80 posted on 07/11/2014 12:59:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: sport
There's the American Baptist Church.

I heard/read several years ago that there are over 200 different Baptist denominations. They are called Baptist because they believe in immersion.

The general pop thinks of most as SBC.

81 posted on 07/11/2014 12:59:21 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar

I know that there are a lot of different Baptists. Thinks for the information.


82 posted on 07/11/2014 1:02:44 PM PDT by sport
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To: fishtank

“You are right. Thr RCC ended up controlling the state, not the other way around.”

That didn’t happen either. You make up a lot of things.

“Either way, they ended up persecuting independent believers.”

No, they persecuted heretics. Everyone did - including other heretics.


83 posted on 07/11/2014 1:05:11 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Sacajaweau

Well that sure explains why they weren’t railing from the pulpit against the Obamacare contraception mandate in 2012.


84 posted on 07/11/2014 1:09:05 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: PoloSec

Does anyone know what Baptist group BCFS is affiliated with. Their website isn’t clear on that. It looks appears that it may not be a bonafide Baptist organization.

http://www.bcfs.net/about-bcfs


85 posted on 07/11/2014 1:12:06 PM PDT by excalibur21
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To: Mrs. Don-o

this is the Baptist Child and Family Services I was referring to earlier which is affiliated with the Baptist General Convention of Texas.

http://texasbaptists.org/advocacy-care/human-care-institutions/child-family-care-institutions/

It does seem there are several BCFS outfits out there. I now have doubt as to whether this is who received the money.


86 posted on 07/11/2014 1:24:49 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: excalibur21

OK. That link takes you to the same page as the link in post 86 (you have to click on the BCFS link on the BGCT page).

So it does appear that group at least at one time was associated with the Baptist General Convention of TExas.


87 posted on 07/11/2014 1:29:42 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: Kackikat

BTTT!!!

I just sent this article to all three of my Reps, FWIW.


88 posted on 07/11/2014 1:30:43 PM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: bereanway
To make it more complicated, BCFS is the Texas-based "Baptist Child and Family Services," but BCBC is the Texas-based but global-reach humanitarian organization whose initials seemingly stand for nothing --- at least, nothing disclosed on their website.

Hmmm....

89 posted on 07/11/2014 1:33:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Mears

bfl


90 posted on 07/11/2014 1:34:00 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Jane Long

Thank you!


91 posted on 07/11/2014 1:37:03 PM PDT by Kackikat (ELECTED officials took an OATH...get off your cowardly a$ses and be A PATRIOT now!)
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To: PoloSec

The government rep came and sat on the back row but the minister was prepared. Instead of a collection plate, he had a 30 gallon plastic trash can to collect the government offering


92 posted on 07/11/2014 1:40:31 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. GOPc.+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

According to this article:

http://www.abpnews.com/culture/social-issues/item/28921-baptists-represented-in-presidential-meeting-on-child-immigrant-crisis

Quote:

“Also attending the meeting was Kevin Dinnin, president of Baptist Child & Family Services, a BGCT-related agency providing care for children housed at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio.”

BCFS, is a BGCT-related agency.

BGCT is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist_General_Convention_of_Texas

Interesting articel on BGCT:

http://www.baptist2baptist.net/b2barticle.asp?ID=62

Their website is:

http://texasbaptists.org/

On this page:

http://texasbaptists.org/about/affiliation/

at the link

he missions and ministries of Texas Baptists PDF on this page;

You will find in the PDF that Baptist Child & Family Services (BCFS) is a related entity.

You can find the BCFS form 990 for tax year 2011 online in PDF form if you search (I found a copy).

You’ll find that of total annual revenue of $76,441,116 that on page 9, Part VIII, Statement of Revenue, line 1e Government Grants (contributions) was $70,669, 962.

Not giving to BCFS ?

Hardly. All American taxpayers are “giving” to BCFS, because it is 92% funded by the Federal government.


93 posted on 07/11/2014 1:40:44 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s BCFS - Baptist Children and Family Services. Baptist in name only NGO global reach org that started out in TX as running orphanages. Now corrupted by fedgov dollars and a search of their large website of the name(above all names)”Jesus” yields a “name not found” message.

Speaks volumes.
Mrs. AV


94 posted on 07/11/2014 1:41:10 PM PDT by Atomic Vomit (http://www.cafepress.com/aroostookbeauty/358829)
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To: PieterCasparzen
But is BCFC the same as BCFS?

Because the article at the tope of the thread refers to BCFC.

It could just be incompetent reporting.

95 posted on 07/11/2014 1:43:35 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Kackikat
OH I guess the Administration only wants seperation of real Christians and State....others need not worry.

Think about it, that's been the pattern throughout history.

If you can corrupt an organization you can make it work for you as a reliable partner. So corrupt political leaders like corrupted Churches.

Repubs and Dems both work this way.
96 posted on 07/11/2014 1:44:27 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t see BCFC, I see...

“From Dec 2012 to January 2014, Baptist Child & Family Services received $62,111,126 in federal grants from Health & Human Services for “Unaccompanied Alien Children Program.””


97 posted on 07/11/2014 1:46:46 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PoloSec

Now we know why there hasn’t been a modern day Patrick Henry speak from the pulpit. The churches answer to their true god - The Government Dollar!

I’ve tried organized religion at numerous churches over the past 5 years and just can’t find one that doesn’t give me bad vibes.


98 posted on 07/11/2014 1:48:38 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Oops, I take that back. I'm wrong. The article refers to "Baptist Child and Family Services." It's BCFS. But their website doesn't mention Baptist or Christ or Faith or anything of the sort.

I'm sorry for confusing everybody, but I'm still confused.

99 posted on 07/11/2014 1:48:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of Clarification.... er, Confusion.)
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To: maggief

Thanks! Great info!


100 posted on 07/11/2014 1:49:53 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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