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Is Religion 'Old-Fashioned' and 'Out of Date'?
The Atlantic ^ | JUL 10 2014 | Emma Green

Posted on 07/11/2014 12:27:35 PM PDT by nickcarraway

The downsides of using poll data to understand the arc of history

In one of the most ambiguous poll questions ever, Gallup has asked Americans to once again act as a tenuous bellwether for the impending death of religion. In a May survey, more than 1,000 people were asked to pick between two vague sense impressions of faith: "Do you believe that religion can answer all of today's problems, or that religion is largely old fashioned and out of date?"

Shockingly, only 13 percent of people took the out of answering "no opinion" or "other," which is one way of saying "I will not fall for the misleading set-up of your question, pollster man." This year, 57 percent of respondents said religion is the answer for basically everything, and 30 percent said it's "old-fashioned."

As far as false choices go, this one is pretty extreme. First and foremost, most of the respondents probably would have answered "some of both," had that been possible. Being anachronistic and being useful aren't mutually exclusive concepts; different parts of different faiths could arguably qualify as either, both, or neither.

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(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: media; polling; religion; secularism

1 posted on 07/11/2014 12:27:35 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

It will be old and out of date until the prophesies in Revelation start coming true. After that the athiests will convert and shut their yaps...: )


2 posted on 07/11/2014 12:29:49 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: nickcarraway

Religion may be going out of style but the Gospel of Jesus Christ - never.


3 posted on 07/11/2014 12:29:58 PM PDT by Lake Living
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To: nickcarraway

Believe it or not, it can take years to develop a true research study. These bogus surveys should be treated like your horoscope. Ooops. they probably are.


4 posted on 07/11/2014 12:30:07 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: jsanders2001

I’d rather have the “old fashioned” America than the new one they are trying to create any day.


5 posted on 07/11/2014 12:31:07 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t recall seeing any “Best if used by” dates on the Bible. Or the Torah for that matter.


6 posted on 07/11/2014 12:32:55 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Can anyone tell me who the head of the Muslim peace movement is?)
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To: nickcarraway

I’m not seeing the ambiguity in the question; “Do you believe that religion can answer all of today’s problems, or that religion is largely old fashioned and out of date?”

Christianity DOES have all the answers.

Just because we don’t practice them doesn’t meant they’re not there.

What’s so hard about that?


7 posted on 07/11/2014 12:33:06 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: nickcarraway

Atheist trolls flooding Atlantic. Hilarious how ignorant they are in the comment section.


8 posted on 07/11/2014 12:33:10 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: nickcarraway

“Do you believe that big government can answer all of today’s problems, or that big government is largely old fashioned and out of date?”


9 posted on 07/11/2014 12:33:22 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Well, yes sort of a best by date: BEST READ BEFORE YOU DIE!


10 posted on 07/11/2014 12:36:25 PM PDT by Lake Living
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To: nickcarraway

Being a Pre-Trib guy...I would love to come back and ask a question after the Rapture and ask these same folks.”What do you think now?”
Freegards
LEX


11 posted on 07/11/2014 12:39:24 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: nickcarraway

Young people tend to turn away from the religion they were taught — like what the Amish call Rumspringen — and return later. These young people will answer yes to this question. But they might not in 10 years when they are having kids.


12 posted on 07/11/2014 12:41:30 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Lake Living

Islam is about 1400 years out of date.


13 posted on 07/11/2014 12:46:50 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: nickcarraway

Here’s an old-fashioned gospel song:

THE OLD-FASHIONED MEETING

O how well I remember
in the old-fashioned days,
When some old-fashioned people
had some old-fashioned ways;
In the old-fashioned meetings,
as they tarried there
In the old-fashioned manner,
how God answer’d their pray’r.

‘Twas an old-fashioned meeting
in an old-fashioned place,
Where some old-fashioned people
had some old-fashioned grace;
As an old-fashioned sinner
I began to pray,
And God heard me and saved me
in the old-fashioned way.

If the Lord never changes,
as the fashions of men,
Even tho He’s the same,
why, He is old-fashioned, then!
As an old-fashioned sinner
saved thru old-time grace,
O, I’m sure He will take me
to an old-fashioned place.

‘Twas an old-fashioned meeting
in an old-fashioned place,
Where some old-fashioned people
had some old-fashioned grace;
As an old-fashioned sinner
I began to pray,
And God heard me and saved me
in the old-fashioned way.

—Herbert Buffum, c. 1921


14 posted on 07/11/2014 12:51:43 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Balding_Eagle

{{LIKE}}


15 posted on 07/11/2014 12:52:58 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: nickcarraway

A religion based upon historic truth can never lose significance.


16 posted on 07/11/2014 12:53:38 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: nickcarraway

Ok, I posted before I read the whole article. But I still stand by my original post - just want to expand a little. 1 Corinthians 2:14, “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” Also, Luke 18:8 “But, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” The message of the cross will never really be “popular” with the world system which by nature is antichrist. A true disciple of Christ (as opposed to a church member which may or may not be a disciple) will almost always be in the minority in this present world. Jesus’ words also seem to indicate that at the end, things will get so bad - probably due to persecution and due to the increase of evil - that those that profess faith in him will be few. “As it was in the days of Noah...” only 8 escaped that judgement and when they start cutting necks here, well... We know we will escape the wrath of God but probably not the wrath of the antichrists among us and of course The Antichrist that is to come - depending on your view of end times. But either way, we’ve been warned that the message of the cross is foolishness and an affront to this world system that seeks to squeeze us into its godless mold. The tension will always be there. The disciples counted it joy that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name. May we be willing to do the same in this current culture that is looking more and more like Sodom.


17 posted on 07/11/2014 12:58:44 PM PDT by Lake Living
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To: Viennacon

Actually, there are many well written responses. Not as much ignorance as there could have been.


18 posted on 07/11/2014 12:59:24 PM PDT by Sparklite
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To: jsanders2001
After that the athiests will convert and shut their yaps

I wouldn't bet on that.

19 posted on 07/11/2014 12:59:59 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Substitute “Biblical” for “historical” and I am with you.


20 posted on 07/11/2014 1:01:00 PM PDT by sport
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To: nickcarraway

The first reaction should be to reject the idea that beliefs can be lumped together and called “religion”, as if there was any equivalency in there at all.

For example, large parts of Christianity are based on a thousand years of intellectualism and cultural and spiritual advance. Can it in any way be compared to say, Islam, that intellectually halted in the 12th Century; or any hundreds of pagan “religions” that have come and gone leaving no trace other than a few artifacts?

Such quantification is like lumping modern “science” with astrology, alchemy, fortune telling, phrenology, witchcraft and homeopathy.

Do you think that “science” (all of the above) are “Old Fashioned” and “Out of Date?” You see the problem?


21 posted on 07/11/2014 1:03:10 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: sport

I think both are one and the same essentially.


22 posted on 07/11/2014 1:07:38 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: jsanders2001

Studying the Bible gave me vastly more insight into human nature and motives than any schooling I ever had. The Bible and Christianity absolutely are NOT out dated, even if you do not believe the spiritual side of it, which I do.


23 posted on 07/11/2014 1:07:51 PM PDT by RatRipper (No need to rob others; democRATS will steal and share a tiny bit with you.)
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To: RatRipper

> Studying the Bible gave me vastly more insight into human nature and motives than any schooling I ever had. The Bible and Christianity absolutely are NOT out dated, even if you do not believe the spiritual side of it, which I do.

What all these great intellectual progressive brains fail to understand is that nothing is new under the sun (except technology) and that Man’s nature will always stay the same. To think otherwise after spending decades on this planet and watching men repeat the same patterns over and over again like a rat in a maze is pure idiocy.


24 posted on 07/11/2014 1:14:28 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

> A religion based upon historic truth can never lose significance.

BAM that was a tasty morsel...: )


25 posted on 07/11/2014 1:16:00 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: RatRipper
Studying the Bible gave me vastly more insight into human nature and motives than any schooling I ever had. 

Same here. In fact I consider that observation more proof of the existence of God. The Bible is His Word, and noboby knows us better than He does. Why not; He made us.

26 posted on 07/11/2014 1:16:20 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarc tag?)
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To: nickcarraway

There is a vast difference between denominational religion and faith in Christ. The veil has been torn. We may boldly approach the throne of Grace.


27 posted on 07/11/2014 1:23:07 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Lake Living
Religion may be going out of style but the Gospel of Jesus Christ - never.

Yep. Christianity is not a religion, its a relationship.
28 posted on 07/11/2014 1:25:51 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: Old Yeller

Liberalism is a religion, and we don’t even have separation of church and state with it.


29 posted on 07/11/2014 1:27:59 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: nickcarraway; Fiji Hill
It was good enough for Athanasius,
It was good enough for Athanasius,
It was good enough for Athanasius,
An' it's good enough for me.
30 posted on 07/11/2014 1:40:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: jsanders2001
GMTA! This is EXACTLY what I was going to write.

Times may change, but people never do.

Think about the most horrible things humans do on a daily basis that the modern press writes about.

People did the same things thousands of years ago.

Think a 2014 San Francisco Pride Parade is bad?

Hells Bells, the Romans and Greeks considered it a sign of "status" to have a young boy as a lover.

We're not THAT far down the sewer, yet, but rest assured it WILL happen.

There really is nothing "new" under the sun.

The Old and New Testaments were very clear about why we shouldn't go down such pathways.

They weren't being religious "meanies".

Or judgemental kooks.

They just showed us it leads to Death.

Spiritual Death which is worse than physical death.

31 posted on 07/11/2014 5:10:27 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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bump


32 posted on 07/12/2014 5:27:29 AM PDT by foreverfree
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