Skip to comments.Business wants immigration reform. Why? Because they can't find enough workers
Posted on 07/11/2014 7:42:28 PM PDT by TigerClaws
As the nation deals with an immigration crisis at its borders, businesses are stepping up their calls for reform.
The Obama administration is desperately trying to deal with the influx of tens of thousands of unaccompanied children crossing into the United States.
The crisis may deflect Congress' attention away from doing anything meaningful over the nation's immigration laws, said Thomas Donohue, CEO of the Chamber of Commerce, which represents the largest U.S. businesses. But the group still renewed its push for immigration reform.
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Yet we need MORE immigrants?
There are plenty of workers, they just want to pay less.
Decrease welfare and unemployment benefits and the pool of job applicants will surge.
And the ones we are getting are definitely not the educated ones.
They can’t find enough workers willing to work for cut rate wages. That’s the issue.
winner winner chicken dinner!
problem is, once the illegals become legal.. they tend to want the same amounts the rest of us do, or they just sign up for a spot on the tit.
And how many are freeloading in this country?
Yep, soon they will join unions and protest for $15 an hour minimums
America really, really needs to start to act like a real nation once again.
America needs to be for America.
The first one you cite is actually a argument for some sort of immigrant worker program.
Its Americans freeloading on disability, or some are really disabled, need someone to work to pay for it.
The second one is an argument against one.
I see a lot of that in job postings that mention wages and salaries and a lot of them have gone down compared to what they used to be.
When Obama eliminated the requirement to look for work in order to get the welfare payments, the ‘workers’ stopped looking. It is not cut rate wages that has stopped the availability of workers......it’s just that they can get too near welfare wages in the workplace to bother to actually work for nearly the same money.
We have workers in abundance.
A gazzillion American citizens, between ages 20 and 30, are doing bugger all. Except whining about the fact they can’t start work as a CEO. And whining that the cost of an iPhone is more than mom and dad want to pay.
Why don’t they try US first. A lot of people are out of work and will take those “immigrant” jobs
Led by adults, not immature politicians
You hit the nail on the head.
All H1B was ever about was driving wages down to ‘equalize’ us globally.
There is no job in America that someone won’t do. It’s all a matter of paying them. H1B scuttles market/employment/wage values by introducing artificially (to the American economy) low wage illegals to benefit profit. The free market is no longer free when the rules get changed like that. It is now the ‘manipulated’ market.
I'll put it another way. If we DON"T decrease welfare and UE benefits, then the pool of citizen applicants WILL NEVER surge. Lotta folks, including Freepers don't want to admit it, but welfare and UE benefits ARE A BIG BIG PART of the illegal immigration problem.
Pay market prices for labor, labor being us, the American people that are this nation.
Any business that cannot find Americans to work is full of Horse Hooey
Folks like the Chamber of Communists are Economic Anti-American
What f___ing BS!!!! High tech companies want techno coolies to do work that US college tech grads will do (but at 1/3 salary). Computer World just did an article about techno coolies hired by Silicon Valley firms. If we truly have a shortage of tech workers, then let us do it by the free market way and not sponsor H-1B fraught with indenture conditions. Example, if we need tech skill A, then let us immigrate tech skill A people. Let that immigrant throw out his resume listing the badly needed skills and let the American firms make offers to hire him. That is not how corporate America wants it done. They want H-1 applicants. The process works like this. Google secures 100 H-1 VISA. Google HR calls their handlers in China and ask them to recruit 100 Chinese IT workers for a fee. The Chinese handlers fill the 100 slots with Chinese tech workers by offering to do their paperwork to come to the US. In return they work for the US company on the H-1B application for seven years at a salary that is 1/3 of US worker he will replace. During those seven years, the Chinese worker cannot take better offers and jump companies. The Chinese worker is told make their American employer happy and do not ever get fired before the 7 year term is up, otherwise someone in his family in China owes the handlers for the application costs. Debt collectors will come to family home with hammers (ie someone will have his legs broken). That is H-1B in a nutshell. The US already is paying for the fact they did not learn how to pick their own cotton, now US software companies are repeating history with their own version of slavery. For free trading freepers remember this when the PLA builds high tech weapons and sink the ship that your son or grandson is serving on. Wonder how they learn to make such good electronics and the software that guides it??? Corporate capitalist bastards.
Thomas Donohue, CEO of the Chamber of Commerce, is a traitor.
The Chamber of Commerce wants slaves. Politicians want more people who tolerate corrupt government. It’s a win-win for them.
Democrats want illegal alien invaders for the votes, Republicans want illegal alien invaders because they can pay them below minimum wage and they won’t complain.....sovereignty be damned.
There are plenty of workers, they just want to pay less.
Yes, but it will backfire.
They will be given citizenship or some status that gives the the rights of citizenship.
So what then?
With that status, they will go on welfare, or a significant number of them will, and that will keep the labor pool undersized just as it is now.
There are two things that will cure the labor problem.
Get the government out of education so kids can learn.
And cut welfare off for every single person now on it other than those that are truly incapable of work...mentally handicapped, physically handicapped...such as stroke victims, heart cases, smashed up in crashes, etc.
What are ya....kidding?
The place is crawling with parasites....cut off their freebies and let them "work for food" make homelessness obsolete.
Raze the ghettos and plant crops.
But business care mostly about computer programmers. And there are almost no American programmers. The starting salary for a programmer with a college degree in Computer Science and no experience is $80,000.
America does not have enough programmers and those with Sociology degrees, or English degrees or History degrees can not be turned into programmers.
Programmers who are valuable have lots of math and logic at an early age. You can wipe out most Americans right there. India and China have lots of these people and American companies pay them $80,000 even when they don't speak English. But the government lowered the number of H1 visas for these people in the 2001 recession. And they have never raised it. These people create jobs. They do not take them.
If you wish to higher Americans. Then you need to fire teachers. Too many teachers have no ability to teach math or technical subjects. Computer programming could be taught in 5th grade. But the public school teachers (and most of the private school teachers) have no abilities in these areas.
So let the highly educated math and computer science foreigners in. Stop everyone else. And fire half the teachers.
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The Chamber of Commerce lackeys can’t find enough workers who will work for the low wages they want to pay.
“If you wish to higher Americans. “
Get no argument from me. Even though I think there are other disciplines that could benefit the US in the long run besides those with math and computer skills.
“There are plenty of workers, they just want to pay less.”
Stop the generational welfare and they would be amazed how many available workers suddenly appear.
“It is not cut rate wages that has stopped the availability of workers......its just that they can get too near welfare wages in the workplace to bother to actually work for nearly the same money.”
IMHO, both arguments are valid, and are not mutually exclusive.
That’s true in many cases I’m sure. My kids are millennials. As kids they are pretty spoiled. But my son just out of freshman college has his first real job other than working for me.
He’s a good worker. They called him up this morning to see if he could come in early - he did. They called him tonight to see if he can work two shifts tomorrow. He will. (He was used to working 12-hour plus days on end with me).
I did remind him not to use his cell phone during work. He looked at me like I was nuts. “Dad - I barely have have time to take a leak!”.
My reaction exactly. ;-)
Tell that to Tyson!
‘But business care mostly about computer programmers. And there are almost no American programmers.’
I don't know about that. It seems to me that I have heard of a great deal of programmers that have trained their own replacements from China and India.
As for the STEM. There are millions of private and Parochial school trained students who are more than proficient in Science, Technology and Math when they leave High School. I knew many that finish college and went to work for a big company only to end up being shuffled out the door in a decade to make way for a cheaper, younger model who doesn't seem to demand time for kids and home life.
H1B1 is legalized slavery. Businesses basically hold the Visa holder hostage. The Chinese ones are all here to pilfer knowledge to take back to the land of Mao and use that knowledge against us in the future. If they don't come back their family get hurt.
Funny, there’s lots of qualified, credentialed people over 50 who can’t find work.
IOW, at that price
Total BS. How much thicker can CNN lay it on?
For a capitalistic system to survive, the middle class needs to thrive and be able to consume beyond the basic necessities. The age of automation and technology in general has made productivity go up while wages and labor go down. Capital investors and stock holders and CEOs are reaping the benefits of this process that continues to scale.
They also use regulatory capture and monopoly behavior to shut out small businesses and job creators to lock in their profits. At some point, drunk on more and more profits, they will cut their own throats as they destroy the middle class. Of course, greed and stupidity will trump logic and strategic planning leading to a work force collapse before they clue in to the consequences of their behavior. We are in a transition state based on technology that requires different thinking than what worked for the industrial age.
The test is simple. Can you query a SQL database. Can you debug a line of code. If you notice and fix the other obvious flaws in the line of code and query the database in an efficient manner we hire you. We don't care if you speak English. We need a hundred more like you.
H1B lasts 3 years and you can renew for another 3 years. At sometime in the process if you are an employee in good standing we apply for a green card. That process can take three years. All the visas cost the company over $5000. The worker has to pay something as well.
All employees are free will. We do not pay anyone but the employee. And we HAVE TO PAY THE RATE THE GOVERNMENT SETS. Which is now $80,000 in Chicago. Its the law. If we don't do it, we can be sued. And worse, we will not be able to hire H1Bs anymore. The employees can get another job at anytime. The visa can be transferred if the employee quits to work somewhere else.
For an H1B or green card we have to post the job with the pay. If anyone can pass the test we have to hire them which we do. But we still hire the H1B candidate as well because its so hard to find good programmers.
I would love to hire Americans instead. They speak English.
I don't have to pay for the H1B and green card process. And I can explain things easier to them.
I think what you are describing could be true of contract programmers. We never use them. I don't think its true. But I could not be sure. And in that case the company providing the contract programmers would be breaking the law. Also, it could be true for the outsourced programmers who live in China and India. Who knows what happens there. But both those cases would go away if more programmers were available.
Let me just say that bad programmers are worth less than nothing to me. They do bad work which has to be thrown out and replaced. And in the process many testers and project managers have to double their efforts and time. Don't try and tell me that there are lots of Americans you can train. Your wrong. Its like hiring someone off the street and making them the starting pitcher for a major league team.
If you want to hire Americans, start by firing teachers. Most teachers have soft degrees, English, history, education. These people cannot teach math above the 5th grade. I know they do. But they do not do it well. Americans should be learning calculus by Freshman year. That means algebra and geometry before high school. And they should take logic or programming starting in 5th grade as well. Our teachers generally suck at this. And of course they should. Since they have never taken a real math class after high school.
When I was in Chicago I could have taken your test, blown it away, and still ask only five figures. Where on earth were you?
After taking all those applications and stuff, they will tell the government that nobody who is qualified was found and request an H1B visa.
I’m certain that Microsoft will be hiring these illegals. Screw you gates..
I was in Cupertino a few months ago at a meeting with Apple. Beautiful facilities with 10 asian folks representing Apple and two Americans. The Americans were the lawyer and the marketing guy. All these asians were extremely well paid with great facilities, free food, they owned great cars. I saw no slavery. I also saw no technical Americans either.