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To: doc1019
Look there are two different immigrants. One that crosses the southern boarder. That type is not valuable to many business. Certainly not public companies that would pay a price to use them. Maybe they could hire an outside company to hire them and use them as contract workers. That may happen in areas like food service or grounds keeping.

But business care mostly about computer programmers. And there are almost no American programmers. The starting salary for a programmer with a college degree in Computer Science and no experience is $80,000.

America does not have enough programmers and those with Sociology degrees, or English degrees or History degrees can not be turned into programmers.

Programmers who are valuable have lots of math and logic at an early age. You can wipe out most Americans right there. India and China have lots of these people and American companies pay them $80,000 even when they don't speak English. But the government lowered the number of H1 visas for these people in the 2001 recession. And they have never raised it. These people create jobs. They do not take them.

If you wish to higher Americans. Then you need to fire teachers. Too many teachers have no ability to teach math or technical subjects. Computer programming could be taught in 5th grade. But the public school teachers (and most of the private school teachers) have no abilities in these areas.

So let the highly educated math and computer science foreigners in. Stop everyone else. And fire half the teachers.

30 posted on 07/11/2014 8:06:03 PM PDT by poinq
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To: poinq

“If you wish to higher Americans. “


Huh?

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33 posted on 07/11/2014 8:09:05 PM PDT by Mears
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To: poinq

Get no argument from me. Even though I think there are other disciplines that could benefit the US in the long run besides those with math and computer skills.


34 posted on 07/11/2014 8:14:13 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: poinq
“Look there are two different immigrants. One that crosses the southern boarder. That type is not valuable to many business. Certainly not public companies that would pay a price to use them.”

Tell that to Tyson!

‘But business care mostly about computer programmers. And there are almost no American programmers.’

I don't know about that. It seems to me that I have heard of a great deal of programmers that have trained their own replacements from China and India.

As for the STEM. There are millions of private and Parochial school trained students who are more than proficient in Science, Technology and Math when they leave High School. I knew many that finish college and went to work for a big company only to end up being shuffled out the door in a decade to make way for a cheaper, younger model who doesn't seem to demand time for kids and home life.

H1B1 is legalized slavery. Businesses basically hold the Visa holder hostage. The Chinese ones are all here to pilfer knowledge to take back to the land of Mao and use that knowledge against us in the future. If they don't come back their family get hurt.

40 posted on 07/11/2014 8:26:25 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: poinq

BS, there is no wage growth in these fields and something like 1/3 STEM graduates this year are unemployed.

Overall there is no wage growth in this country which show there is no shortage of workers.


70 posted on 07/12/2014 12:07:22 AM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: poinq

This is more Horse Hooey

There are a large number of American computer programmers out of work...and most of them were let go because companies preferred lower paid lesser trained foreigners

There is no shortage of labor. There is a shortage of companies who will hire American


77 posted on 07/12/2014 4:39:03 AM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (Haley Barbour rather work for drug cartels than Americans)
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To: poinq

The teachers’ unions are the reason why we are importing these illegals to begin with; municipalities have been laying off cops and public works employees because their unions are weaker, but as our schools empty of children the teachers will have to go as well.

These illegals are being trafficked here to fill housing and schools, nothing more. They will be shipped to places that need re-populating; ironically, Indians are getting back the land Europeans stole from them...


78 posted on 07/12/2014 4:39:59 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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