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Homosexuals Destroy Israeli Messianic Business [in Israel!]
Israel Today ^ | June 27, 2014 | David Lazarus

Posted on 07/12/2014 3:51:22 AM PDT by daniel1212

The Jerusalem District Court has ordered Moshav Yad Hashmonah, a community of Messianic Jews and Evangelical Christians, to pay compensation to two lesbians after it refused to host a same-sex wedding reception. "We knew we were breaking the law. Somebody needed to do it." says Ayelet Ronen, general secretary for the village.

Judge Moshe Yoad Cohen upheld a lower court ruling that the Moshav violated a law prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation.

During the trial, representatives of the Moshav quoted from both Old and New Testaments. "We do not hate homosexuals or lesbians. We love them. We simply told the court that it is God's word in the Bible that calls homosexuality an abomination," Ronen told Israel Today.

She continues: "As a faith-based community we need to be able to refuse events that blatantly oppose our religious beliefs. We explained to the judge that a same-sex celebration would ruin our business. The majority of our clientele are Christians who vigorously oppose gay marriage."

The lesbians' lawyer accused members of Yad Hashmonah of "homophobia," pointing to an announcement published by the Moshav that "no homosexual or lesbian organization will be allowed to rent space for functions on our premises."

That announcement came in response to a flood of requests for same-sex celebrations on the Moshav from gays and lesbians hoping to pass more court decisions requiring the Messianic community to pay out huge compensations.

As a result, the Moshav was forced to shutter their events-hosting business, resulting in huge financial losses. "We used to host an average of 35-50 weddings a year over the past 12 years. Israelis from all over the country, religious and secular, loved to come here. Now there are none," says Ronen.

Judge Cohen held that the Moshav cannot refuse to host a same-sex wedding reception even if doing so goes against their own conscious. The Moshav's lawyer, Michael Decker, challenged that ruling, asking the judge, "What if a Catholic went to an Orthodox Jewish carpentry in [the ultra-Orthodox town of] Bnei Barack and asked them to build a statue of Mary? Would they have to build the idolatrous image?"

The judge replied: "They would have to make it or else be fined. That is the law."

Ronen says that the ruling demonstrates that "even the judge understood that current laws are not providing sufficient protections for religious communities."

According to Ronen, "a lot of religious Jews and rabbis have secretly told us 'good for you. We are glad that you take this stand.' But they will not stand with [Messianic Jews] to change the law. They hate us too much and would never work with us."

In his ruling, the judge upheld the earlier verdict of the Jerusalem Magistrate's Court, ordering Yad Hashmonah to pay the two lesbians damages of 60,000 shekels ($17,000) plus another 30,000 shekels for attorneys' fees for both the original suit and the appeal. "At this time we are not planning another appeal. To lose again would not sound good," says Ronen.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
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That this is happening even in Israel is esp. grievous.

If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men. (Psalms 11:3-4)

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. (Psalms 2:1-3)

Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. (Psalms 2:10-11)

Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

1 posted on 07/12/2014 3:51:22 AM PDT by daniel1212
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To: metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...

God made man and women uniquely compatible and complimentary, in more ways than the physical aspect, and only joined them in marriage, which Jesus Himself specified. (Gn. 2:18-24; Mt. 19:4-6) Homosexual unions are only condemned by God in the Scriptures by design and decree, in principle and in precept.

And attempts to force homosexual relations into passages it does not belong extends even to pro homosexual apologetics on the Bible, the specious nature of which as http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Homosex_versus_the_Bible.htmlHomosexuality reveals, and i find the manipulation of the Bible by them to be more serious than even homosexuality.


2 posted on 07/12/2014 3:52:34 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

An abomination.


3 posted on 07/12/2014 3:53:29 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: daniel1212

It’s vicious and vindictive aggression, the way these people seek out small businesses who don’t want their business.

If they really just wanted their “rights” they wouldn’t go looking for small businesses to stomp on.

But whether in Colorado or Israel, they really have a Gay Old Time stomping on small prey.

It shows the pure evil in their hearts.


4 posted on 07/12/2014 3:55:07 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: daniel1212

Damn these fags to hell.

The Christian business owners may take comfort that they will be praised in the next life for their bold stand against disgusting, vile perversion.

Were I the prime minister of Israel, I would deport the gaystapo to Gaza, let Hamas deal with them


5 posted on 07/12/2014 4:03:05 AM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: daniel1212

Jeeezzz - if this has taken hold in Israel, we’re finished.


6 posted on 07/12/2014 4:06:16 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: daniel1212

It doesn’t matter what the issue is, the law is not there to force someone to serve someone else against their will.


7 posted on 07/12/2014 4:06:51 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: samtheman

Its called economic sanctions, which increasingly will be one way of compelling all to pledge allegiance to the United States of Sodom, one nation gone under, and to the abomi-nation to which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with no liberty and justice for all who oppose a lifestyle (among MSM) that is responsible for 79% of new HIV cases, and typically results in a greatly increased incidence of infectious diseases and premature death.


8 posted on 07/12/2014 4:18:50 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Viennacon

However, some of the first Christians were likely former homosexuals, (1Cor. 6:9-11) and there is room at the cross for all who want the Lord Jesus over sin, and believe upon Him to save them who died for them, and rose again. And who thus are baptized and follow Him, to the glory of God.


9 posted on 07/12/2014 4:19:47 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: grobdriver

Israel is considered one of the most “progressive” countries in the region when it comes to this sort of thing.

“LGBT rights in Israel have advanced in recent years and have generally been seen as one of the most progressive countries in the Middle East and Asia. Same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1988, although the former law against buggery had not been enforced since a court decision of 1963. Israel became the first in Asia to recognize unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples, making it the only country in Asia (together with Vietnam) to recognize any same-sex union thus far. Although same-sex marriages are not performed in the country, Israel recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere, making it the first and only country in Asia to do so. Discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation were prohibited in 1992. Same-sex couples are allowed to jointly adopt after a court decision in 2008, while previously allowing stepchild adoptions and limited co-guardianship rights for non-biological parents. Gays and lesbians are also allowed to serve openly in the military.

Recent polls have indicated that a majority of Israelis support same-sex marriage, despite some social conservatism. Tel Aviv has frequently been referred to by publishers as one of the most gay friendly cities in the world, famous for its annual Pride Parade and gay beach, earning it the nickname “the gay capital of the Middle East” by Out Magazine. According to LGBT travelers, it was ranked as the best gay city in 2011, despite reports of some LGBT violence during the 2000s, which were criticized by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Shimon Peres. A monument dedicated to the LGBT victims persecuted by Nazis during World War II will be erected in Tel Aviv.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel

Read the whole Wiki entry; I think a lot of people would probably be quite surprised to see how “gay friendly” Israel really is, most notably that gays are allowed to serve openly in the IDF.


10 posted on 07/12/2014 4:25:43 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: daniel1212

The lesbians’ lawyer accused members of Yad Hashmonah of “homophobia,”

So now it’s official, heterophobia, also know as filthyfagedness is normal sexual behavior and “homophobia’
is an official mental disorder and people can be prosecuted
for it in Israel? Screwit, let the muslims have em.
Homosexuality is a filthy unnatural act that most normal,
unintimidated, people find disgusting while “homophobia” is just a normal thought that most normal people have.
I guess it’s time to cut Israel loose, with all their spying
and covert ops against us they really weren’t much of an ally
anyway. I just never knew that a state like Israel would fall
so easily to the bunghole burglars as the Catholic Church did.


11 posted on 07/12/2014 4:27:07 AM PDT by Slambat
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To: daniel1212

This is very, very ominous.


12 posted on 07/12/2014 4:34:11 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
I think a lot of people would probably be quite surprised...

And I'm one of them!

Ack!

13 posted on 07/12/2014 4:36:55 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: samtheman

I agree. There’s no shortage of places to hold a reception. But they convince themselves they know better than God - at the cost of their souls. They’re like alcoholics - drunk on their own narcissism.

Fish for those who can be caught and pass by those who cannot hear. Pray for Israel.


14 posted on 07/12/2014 4:38:19 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: Telepathic Intruder
It doesn’t matter what the issue is, the law is not there to force someone to serve someone else against their will.

At least the judge was consistent:

What if a Catholic went to an Orthodox Jewish carpentry in [the ultra-Orthodox town of] Bnei Barack and asked them to build a statue of Mary? Would they have to build the idolatrous image?"

The judge replied: "They would have to make it or else be fined. That is the law."

Thus a Jewish or black baker would forced to bake a special cake for a KKK celebration.

But would a homosexual baker be forced to do the same?

15 posted on 07/12/2014 4:41:13 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: blueplum
They’re like alcoholics - drunk on their own narcissism.

I would say drunk on power. The Gay Fascists are head-over-heels drunk and madly in love with their new-found political power. And they love stomping on people just for the sheer joy of doing so.

As a group, they are a vicious and sadistic mob.

16 posted on 07/12/2014 4:42:50 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Israel is considered one of the most “progressive” countries in the region when it comes to this sort of thing.

You would think they had no history to warn them:

And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy. (Ezekiel 16:38)

As I live, saith the Lord God, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters. (Ezekiel 16:48)

17 posted on 07/12/2014 4:46:28 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
Its called economic sanctions, which increasingly will be one way of compelling all to pledge allegiance to the United States of Sodom...

Good point.

18 posted on 07/12/2014 4:46:54 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: markomalley
This is very, very ominous.

Even Uganda knows better.

Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: (Romans 9:27)

19 posted on 07/12/2014 4:48:45 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: samtheman
Nothing new with such activists.

But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. (Genesis 19:4-5)

And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. (Genesis 19:9-10)

But as said, some of the first Christians were likely former homosexuals, (1Cor. 6:9-11) and there is room at the cross for all who want the Lord Jesus over sin, and believe upon Him to save them who died for them, and rose again. And who thus are baptized and follow Him, to the glory of God.

20 posted on 07/12/2014 4:51:34 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Now I begin to understand why at the end of Armageddon only a remnant of Israel’s Jewish population will be left alive. Her sinful people will be destroyed!


21 posted on 07/12/2014 4:56:40 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: daniel1212

Daniel, I wonder how long it will be before your post #20 in this thread is actually deemed a violation of US law. I do not believe it is that far in the future. I think there’s a thread right here in FR today about a move in the Senate to outlaw religious speech that criticizes homosexuality.

Things are bad, and they are on the brink of getting much worse.


22 posted on 07/12/2014 4:58:16 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman
Daniel, I wonder how long it will be before your post #20 in this thread is actually deemed a violation of US law.

Which is the outworking of the victim entitlement mentality which is from Hell, which began with the devil assuming he was entitled to receive Divine power and worship (share the wealth), and seduced Eve thing likewise, as a victim of a selfish God.

But who needs nothing, and requires that our allegiance and our highest affection to be upon Him who alone is perfect, almighty, eternal and only wise, and can never fail, rather than something created.

Adopting the victim entitlement mentality, you have sodomite strategies and psychological tactics

While not all homosexuals agree with the use of deceptive psychological tactics, these have been promoted by leading homosexual activists. The aforementioned book, After the Ball, is widely regarded as the handbook for the gay agenda, in which two Harvard-trained (homosexual) psychologists [47] Marshall Kirk (1957 - 2005) and Hunter Madsen (pen name Erastes Pill, who was also schooled in social marketing) advocated avoiding portraying gays as aggressive challengers, but as victims instead, while making all those who opposed them to be evil persecutors. As a means of the latter, they promoted jamming, in which Christians, traditionalists, or anyone else who opposes the gay agenda are publicly smeared. Their strategy was based on the premise that, "In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be portrayed as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to adopt the role of protector. The purpose of victim imagery is to make straight people feel very uncomfortable."

"Jamming" homo-hatred (disagreement with homosexual behaviors) was to be done by linking it to Nazi horror, advised Kirk and Madsen. Associate all who oppose homosexuality with images of Klansmen demanding that gays be slaughtered, hysterical backwoods preachers, menacing punks, and a tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed. Thus, "propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots as crude loudmouths..."[48][49]

23 posted on 07/12/2014 5:17:26 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Interesting posts. Thanks.


24 posted on 07/12/2014 5:23:49 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: daniel1212

According to Ronen, “a lot of religious Jews and rabbis have secretly told us ‘good for you. We are glad that you take this stand.’ But they will not stand with [Messianic Jews] to change the law. They hate us too much and would never work with us.”

The Orthodox rabbis have to realize that they too have to perform them per the Jerusalem court. I think the real reason for their silence is because much of the religious community take a lot of money from the government to study Torah and they can’t bite the hand that feed them.

They had better unite now and fight this or else face even more problems in the future.


25 posted on 07/12/2014 5:29:25 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: daniel1212

Consistently wrong, then. Private businesses should be able to operate however they want as long as they don’t break the law. Refusing to serve someone is not breaking any law.


26 posted on 07/12/2014 5:29:27 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: daniel1212

These are purposeful targetings by homosexual activists, usually to target Christian believers. I wonder if the lesbians dare ask a Moslem organization to host such a thing?


27 posted on 07/12/2014 5:32:00 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: daniel1212

The homosexualist and abortion operations in Israel must have slowed down just a little bit with the call-up of 40,000+ reservists.


28 posted on 07/12/2014 5:37:09 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: samtheman

“Things are bad, and they are on the brink of getting much worse” You are a prophet! Mark 13:5-13


29 posted on 07/12/2014 5:40:47 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: lostboy61

I am no prophet, just stating the obvious.


30 posted on 07/12/2014 5:45:09 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: daniel1212

In the book of Zechariah 13: 8-9 tells us that two-thirds of Israel (the Jewish people) will perish in the Tribulation. That only one-third will come through the fire. Scripture makes it plain that the Jews are going to pay dearly in the Trib. The LORD will protect the one-third “in the mountains” (most Bible scholars believe that will be near Petra). The Jews are digging this two-thirds hole for themselves. These unrepentant homosexuals are going to be among those that die in the Tribulation. And it is coming. Scripture is clear about the coming End of Time and it reads like today’s headlines and news casts. The Trib and those days are getting very, very close. The LORD’s return is near. Make sure you are on board with Him, not satan. Actually, there are only two camps according to the LORD. You are for HIM, or you are for sin. Sin is following satan. So you are for the LORD or for satan. There is no middle ground. No matter how you bend it, no middle ground.


31 posted on 07/12/2014 5:45:33 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Okay, I'm surprised, but now I have some new justifications for some of the aggression against Israel and the US being called the "Great Satan" by Israel's neighbors.

For me, Revelation prophecy is difficult to piece together and understand, but it seems to be coming together fairly quickly in our time.

Only a few years ago I saw the US as one of the good guys and the Biblical story's ending something for the distant future.

But after just a few years of life in the obamanation, all is upside down and the Biblical story is about the only thing that explains the world I now wake up in.

Interesting times, huh?

32 posted on 07/12/2014 6:08:14 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The abomination of desolation cometh.


33 posted on 07/12/2014 6:09:18 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Obama - The Scandal a Week President.)
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To: daniel1212

“As in the days of Noah” Prophecy again is being fulfilled. We know the end is coming soon. When homosexuality has more rights over God Fearing people, the end is near


34 posted on 07/12/2014 6:13:19 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: daniel1212

Our youngest son and daughter-in-law were married there. This is a humble place, so I don’t know how they are going to come up with this kind of money. This lesbian group knew that and knew it would wreck them financially. It is a shame.


35 posted on 07/12/2014 6:14:07 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: grobdriver

Apparently one of the best-kept secrets among many conservatives here in the U.S. is that Israel isn’t a religious country at all. It’s a modern, secular country modeled after a parliamentary socialist government of Europe. Israel is no more Jewish than France is Catholic.


36 posted on 07/12/2014 6:44:08 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: daniel1212

Messianic Jew = Christian.


37 posted on 07/12/2014 6:45:48 AM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Well......Bye.)
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To: onedoug

10 million rockets a day fired from Gaza and southern Lebanon couldn’t do the damage to Israel that Israel is doing to itself.


38 posted on 07/12/2014 6:46:17 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: daniel1212

Leviticus 18:

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)

28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

The muzzlemen may get Israel back if this keeps up.


39 posted on 07/12/2014 6:48:05 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: GBA

I never thought I’d see the day when I looked at the Ayatollah Khomenei’s description of the U.S. as “the Great Satan” and decided that his assessment is probably correct.


40 posted on 07/12/2014 6:48:59 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Jack Hydrazine
The Orthodox rabbis have to realize that they too have to perform them per the Jerusalem court. I think the real reason for their silence is because much of the religious community take a lot of money from the government to study Torah and they can’t bite the hand that feed them.

That is a valid reason for the 1st Amendment, but which does not mean the gov. cannot favor one general faith, which it cannot escape doing unless it imagines that its precepts and principals do not have a religious basis, and that the Founders and the people did not operate out of one general faith in opposition to another.

In his discussion of freedom of religion in his monumental Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, Father of American Jurisprudence Joseph Story clarified the meaning of the First Amendment with regard to the priority of Christianity stated:

..the real object of the [First] amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment which should give to a hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government (1833, 3:728, emp. added).

James Iredell, a U.S. Supreme Court judge appointed by George Washington, articulated this point succinctly in 1788 in the debates on the wording of the Constitution:

But it is objected that the people of America may perhaps choose representatives who have no religion at all, and that pagans and Mahometans may be admitted into offices…. But it is never to be supposed that the people of America will trust their dearest rights to persons who have no religion at all, or a religion materially different from their own (Elliot, 1836, 4:194).

Samuel Johnston, governor of North Carolina and member of the Constitution ratifying convention in 1788:

Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high office, but in one of two cases. First, if the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves. Another case is, if any persons of such descriptions should, notwithstanding their religion, acquire the confidence and esteem of the people of America by their good conduct and practice of virtue, they may be chosen. I leave it to gentlemen’s candor to judge what probability there is of the people’s choosing men of different sentiments from themselves (Elliot, 4:198-199, emp. added). – http://www.apologeticspress.org


41 posted on 07/12/2014 6:52:24 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: RetiredArmy; samtheman

http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/israel-chosenorforgotten.html


42 posted on 07/12/2014 6:54:02 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Alberta's Child
10 million rockets a day fired from Gaza and southern Lebanon couldn’t do the damage to Israel that Israel is doing to itself.

Profound. And our greatest enemies are from within. As this page helps to show, an undeclared “war” is being waged against God which has and is costing America (and the world) mightily in souls, lives and money.

43 posted on 07/12/2014 6:56:38 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Alberta's Child
I never thought I’d see the day when I looked at the Ayatollah Khomenei’s description of the U.S. as “the Great Satan” and decided that his assessment is probably correct.

Just more of a brotherhood, both rejecting Scripture and its Christ.

44 posted on 07/12/2014 6:58:34 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

An Orthodox rabbi performing a ‘gay marriage’ would cease to be orthodox.

The Council of Torah Sages of Agudath Israel, whose members most have never heard of, actually set the pattern that others follow. They will never accept ‘gay marriage’.

Mizrachis (Religious Zionists), the only ‘orthodox’ that might do this, would transform themselves into the Reform Movement, though the possibility seems remote.


45 posted on 07/12/2014 7:01:41 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: daniel1212

I know all about Romans 1. My Bible is well dotted with notes and Romans 1 has plenty of them, plus insert note pages regarding those scriptures. Romans 1 covers the entire human race, not just Israel. I know the LORD will never turn on His chosen people, but scripture is CLEAR that He WILL discipline them in the Tribulation. That is clear.


46 posted on 07/12/2014 7:04:25 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: daniel1212

Turn them over to the muzzies.


47 posted on 07/12/2014 7:04:59 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: daniel1212

PS: my reply said nothing regarding the church replacing Israel. Where you got that out of it is beyond me.


48 posted on 07/12/2014 7:06:22 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: markomalley

It is beginning to look like support for the LGBT movement and Homosexual Marriage is the Mark of the Beast.

Unless you put that mark on your forehead, you can’t do business in Israel, Canada, America and soon most of the world.


49 posted on 07/12/2014 7:20:18 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Alberta's Child
I never thought I’d see the day when I looked at the Ayatollah Khomenei’s description of the U.S. as “the Great Satan” and decided that his assessment is probably correct.

It is very likely that God will use the devil's disciples to bring judgement upon those nations which have abandoned him. A nation that abandons God cannot expect his divine protection.

50 posted on 07/12/2014 7:25:01 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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