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Gun violence is a crisis in public health
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 12 july 2014 | Eugene Kane

Posted on 07/12/2014 4:17:41 AM PDT by rellimpank

When a major American city such as Chicago reports 82 people shot and 14 killed over a violent holiday weekend, it's time to take notice.

Describing some parts of the inner city as "the Wild, Wild West" or "an urban war zone" to make a point about lawlessness just doesn't cut it anymore. It's time to call it what it is: an epidemic of gun violence as deadly as any infectious disease or plague that any health professional can imagine.

When Mallory O'Brien, executive director of the Milwaukee Homicide Review Commission, looks at the levels of gun violence in cities such as Chicago, she sees similarities with Milwaukee in terms of the demographics and the social environments where many of the shootings are located.

According to O'Brien, Milwaukee should consider itself fortunate for having "only" nine shootings and one fatality over the Fourth of July weekend, compared to Chicago's bloody totals. But that didn't alleviate her concerns about the possibility for outbreaks of violence on a grand scale in some communities.

"Anytime you hear about that many shootings, it's shocking," O'Brien said. "It's alarming. That's why we have the public health approach."

The homicide commission collects information and research of detailed incidents involving homicide and non-fatal shootings and other crimes on an individual basis. Even though many media reports tended to fold all incidents of gun violence in Chicago's holiday weekend into one large story of societal dysfunction, that tactic often obscured the various factors involved in such widespread mayhem.

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--from the article (duh)

--"We found that up to 70% of the people involved in most shootings aren't even eligible to carry due to age or their criminal record," O'Brien said.--

1 posted on 07/12/2014 4:17:41 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

Sounds to me like problem with the public not following the law.

To me, it’s the same as the CDC calling guns a medical problem. They go out of their way to decry and demean owner ship of guns and the behavior of people associated with gun ownership, but they do and say nothing about the behavior of homosexuals and any corresponding problem with HIV/AIDS transmission.


2 posted on 07/12/2014 4:21:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: rellimpank

Gun violence means nothing to socialists. It’s merely a propaganda tool to them.


3 posted on 07/12/2014 4:23:38 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: rellimpank

Kane’s article clearly indicates that gun violence is strongly correlated to certain types of people.


4 posted on 07/12/2014 4:27:50 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: SC_Pete
Gun violence means nothing to socialists. It’s merely a propaganda tool to them.

I disagree - it means everything to them because it's an illogical construct on its face. Attributing an action, violence, to an inanimate object, gun, is ridiculous and deserves to be called out every time they use the term. It means everything to them because then they don't have to deal with the icky part of the problem, people, specifically, their people, their voting bloc, their desired demographic for maintaining political power.

5 posted on 07/12/2014 4:28:12 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: rellimpank

I’m trained in public health and I’m an expert in vector identification.

The problem here, the obvious problem, is the shooters. It’s not the guns.

If it were the guns, there would be 84 shootings in every small town in America every week.


6 posted on 07/12/2014 4:28:39 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: rellimpank

“When Mallory O’Brien, executive director of the Milwaukee Homicide Review Commission, looks at the levels of gun violence in cities such as Chicago, she sees similarities with Milwaukee in terms of the demographics and the social environments where many of the shootings are located.”

So eliminate these “Social Environments”.


7 posted on 07/12/2014 4:29:44 AM PDT by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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To: Gaffer
They go out of their way to decry and demean owner ship of guns and the behavior of people associated with gun ownership

Well, the deterioration of the CDC over the past 40 years is heartbreaking, but there is a germ of an idea in the above quote.

It's not the behavior of gun owners that's a problem of course, but behavioral epidemiology of the Chicago shooters would be a very fruitful topic of investigation.

They won't do it, of course, but the toll of "gun violence" IS, at the root, a behavioral problem that has demographic and other characteristics that can be studied.

8 posted on 07/12/2014 4:33:06 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble

Yes, it would be useful, but perhaps not through the CDC. And, I guess I should have couched my statement with the proviso that “gun ownership.....” be “legal gun ownership..”


9 posted on 07/12/2014 4:35:39 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Yeah I would think gangbangers pose a public health risk but they do not want to offend them so they fall under a label a crisis in public health


10 posted on 07/12/2014 4:41:12 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: rellimpank

Let’s start calling this what it is.
It is NOT “gun violence”.

It is “urban cultural violence”.

So, if you want to do something about the violence, do something about the cause.


11 posted on 07/12/2014 4:42:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Gaffer
but perhaps not through the CDC

There is no more chance of the CDC doing behavioral epidemiology on this subject than there is of NASA flying, well, anywhere ever again.

The decline and fall of CDC and NASA have occurred over almost exactly the same time span, and for almost exactly the same reasons.

Each organization still has small redoubts of technical and intellectual superiority, that persist because the vandals are too stupid to recognize and destroy them.

But as far as the big picture, it will take a revolution to restore what has been lost.

12 posted on 07/12/2014 4:42:18 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

—yes—I’d normally put a barf alert on his scribbles , but this isn’t as clearly anti-gun propaganda as his usual stuff-—


13 posted on 07/12/2014 4:45:23 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

The violence is pretty much quarantined to the areas of the feral revolution. So long as it is contained, why is it a public health problem?

It’s like queers and aids.


14 posted on 07/12/2014 4:45:45 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. GOPc.+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: SC_Pete

I own guns because socialists are mass murderers, and I will protect myself and mine against the socialists’ designs on us.


15 posted on 07/12/2014 4:46:36 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Jim Noble

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner!

(Well said, my friend.)


16 posted on 07/12/2014 4:48:13 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Jim Noble

“But as far as the big picture, it will take a revolution to restore what has been lost.”

I am afraid you may be right.


17 posted on 07/12/2014 4:50:40 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Gaffer

Scientific survey conducted by me a minute and a half ago.

82 shootings, 14 dead.

% white on white? 1%
% white on black?
% black on white? 1%
% black on black? 95%
% other (Latino, Asian, African, middle eastern, European) 3%

Since the actual statistics haven’t been published yet( probably because it doesn’t fit the narrative, I fathomed a guess using empirical data)

Now to the percentage of guns legally bought by the shooter from a respected gun dealer.

White - 95%
Black - 3%
Other - 2%

Finally, shooters who have been incarcerated before for other violets crimes.

White - 8%
Black 87%
Other 5%

Conclusion. Majority of blacks who have previously been incarcerated are the mostl likely to own an illegal gun and use it to murder other blacks, who have also been incarcerated and own an illegal gun.

How to fix? Death penalty for murder, life in prison for committing a crime with an gun, mandatory 10 years if caught with an illegal gun.

Governments fix. Make owning a gun illegal to the 95% of whites who legally own guns and commit less than 3% of the crimes with a gun.


18 posted on 07/12/2014 4:59:36 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (GM is dead and Al Queada is alive.)
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To: rellimpank

Describing some parts of the inner city as “the Wild, Wild West” or “an urban war zone” to make a point about lawlessness just doesn’t cut it anymore

Of course it does but it just does not fit your agenda. To claim that the problem is “gun” violence in a City that has the toughest gun laws in the Nation validates that you are working from a particular agenda. If more people outside of the inner city of Chicago have guns then those inside the city then if guns are the problem there should be more killings outside of the city then inside the city. Since that is not being reported it is easy to assume that there isn’t. It is not “gun” violence that problem it is the problem, it is people violence.


19 posted on 07/12/2014 5:01:39 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
mandatory 10 years if caught with an illegal gun

The only problem is that the definition of "illegal gun" keeps changing.

20 posted on 07/12/2014 5:02:22 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
mandatory 10 years if caught with an illegal gun

How about mandatory 10 years for possession by a prohibited person?

21 posted on 07/12/2014 5:03:41 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: rellimpank
It's time to call it what it is: an epidemic of gun violence as deadly as any infectious disease or plague that any health professional can imagine.

Well, it is (almost) an epidemic, and, as with any epidemic, vector control is key.

22 posted on 07/12/2014 5:05:57 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Gaffer

Sounds like it is a problem where there is a culture that makes and takes its own law and dispenses its own brand of justice unto itself.

The problem is: when you yourself are engaged in illegal activity, and someone tresspasses on your action, you cannot seek legal remedies for redress.


23 posted on 07/12/2014 5:07:02 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: rellimpank

The comparison to infectious diseases is specious.

Medical conditions due to vitamin deficiency or genetic abnormality can be every bit as fatal as those due to bacterial or viral infection, but because they’re not spread by a foreign agent, combatting them has to be approached in a different fashion.

As others have pointed out above, gun possession is not the cause of gun violence; focusing on the gun rather than the actual cause(s) of a violent culture isn’t just futile, it’s counterproductive because it distracts from actually solving the problem. If a person’s got a vitamin deficiency disease, treatment with agents to counter infections does no good; and the longer that treatment is continued in the absence of any other palliative approach, the longer the real problem is left untreated.

The first thing these folks need to realize is that gun violence is NOT like an infectious disease.


24 posted on 07/12/2014 5:07:27 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: MrB

You must first change a mans heart and then his mind will follow. Out of a evil heart comes all kinds of wicked acts.


25 posted on 07/12/2014 5:10:35 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: rellimpank

“widespread mayhem”
Maybe wide spread in democrat infestations.
Need to send in more ammo and tell Reginald Denny to stay the he$$ clear of such environs.
Watch word “urban america”


26 posted on 07/12/2014 5:12:37 AM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not ju st selectively for Democrats.)
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To: ought-six
I own guns because socialists are mass murderers

I'm with you, and the more history I read, the more I know we're right. Brace yourself, hold your nose, and go read some of the posts over at DU. Then try to convince yourself that they won't kill everyone they disagree with the first chance they get.

27 posted on 07/12/2014 5:15:15 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Please excuse the potholes in this tagline. Social programs have to take priority in our funding.)
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To: rellimpank

Since every mass murder in the last two decades was committed by a person with ties or support of liberal causes, it would be more correct to say that liberalism is a crisis in public health.


28 posted on 07/12/2014 5:17:02 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Jim Noble
The problem here, the obvious problem, is the shooters. It’s not the guns.

Thanks for clarifying that it is people and not guns. From the usual news reports, I have constantly feared that my firearms might jump off the wall and start randomly shooting at any time. Whew!

29 posted on 07/12/2014 5:19:51 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: Jim Noble
But as far as the big picture, it will take a revolution to restore what has been lost.

I certainly agree.

30 posted on 07/12/2014 5:23:02 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Jim Noble

“How about mandatory 10 years for possession by a prohibited person?”

That works.


31 posted on 07/12/2014 5:24:03 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (GM is dead and Al Queada is alive.)
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To: rellimpank

Seems a bit racist to refer to black culture as a public health issue.


32 posted on 07/12/2014 5:25:44 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: Jim Noble

Well said


33 posted on 07/12/2014 5:27:54 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; All

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/01/european-murder-rates-compared-to.html

The word is getting out. Homicide is cultural.

“Gun violence” is a propaganda metric. “Hospital Deaths” make as much sense. You can eliminate most “Hospital Deaths” by banning hospitals (no doubt a few underground hospitals will survive) but the overall death rate will go up.


34 posted on 07/12/2014 5:30:47 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: School of Rational Thought

That is a good thought but you cast too wide a net.

There are several subcultures within the Black Community. One is represented by the upstanding black souls on Free Republic.

It is the black urban subculture that has disintegrated into a feral state that is the source of the liberal embarrassment. It is the city liberal slaves that are killing each other.


35 posted on 07/12/2014 5:32:49 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. GOPc.+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: rellimpank
One thing that fairly screams at readers: All of these high violent crime cities are run by Democrats and have been for decades. The Democrats have disarmed the honest and taxpaying people to make their cities Gun Free Zones. How well has that worked? I guess all the thugs and wannabee gangsters missed that memo, eh? [Note to brain dead Democrats: thugs and murderers do NOT obey the laws and especially not gun control laws. Why did you think they would?]

What doesn't work is gun control and Gun Free Zones. What does work is what Robert A. Heinlein said: “An armed society is a polite society.”

36 posted on 07/12/2014 5:35:16 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: rellimpank
Never mind the people, never mind what they do, blame the GUN.
Always the GUN.
As if people wouldn't even think about killing each other if there were no GUNS.

37 posted on 07/12/2014 5:36:04 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: rellimpank

Kane?
Why post this insult to humanity?Don’t you have better things to do!


38 posted on 07/12/2014 5:38:33 AM PDT by damncat
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To: rellimpank
what a load of horse manure. it is the evil human that pick up a inanimate object and turned it into a act of violence.

IF YOU CARE, IF you are tired of paying for keeping killers of children alive. Then PLEASE help Nikki get the justice 2 juries handed down. ALL Fed and State appeals are exhausted, our coward RINO gov won't set a date or issue the order necessary to remove this pond scum.

Ashley 'Nikki' Read, 2 juries decided that the Death Penalty was the correct punishment for the RAPE and MURDER of this 8 year old.. ALL APPEALS have run out. Justice delayed is Justice DENIED!

TN Gov email is bill.haslam@tn.gov 615 741-2001

David Keen Child killer david keen

This CHILD RAPIST HAS RUN OUT OF ALL 20 YRS OF APPEALS, TN GOV Halsam still has NOT SET AN EXECUTION DATE OR SIGNED A DEATH WARRANT, EMAIL HIM TO DO SO bill.haslam@tn.gov 615 741-2001 Phone calls are more effective.

This is 20 years of appeals. 24 YRS SINCE THE CRIME. TOOK ONLY THE DNA TO PROVE WHO DID IT, #1 SUSPECT. DNA & confession proved he raped, strangled to death with her OWN SHOE LACES 8 year old Ashley 'Nicki' Read and then threw her body in the river. Even helped hunt for what was thought to be a missing child.

From the long article that sites the codes.

At some point while she was being violently raped, Nikki was struck in several parts of her face, and her head was smashed against the door handle.   Although it is impossible to know how long Nikki remained conscious during this terrifying ordeal, it is uncontroverted that she was alive and conscious at least through part of the rape, because even though the full weight of the appellant was crushing her and even though she was being manually strangled, the appellant admitted that Nikki struggled to get free with her arms and legs.   In fact, the appellant candidly admitted that she struggled to get free for “a little while.”   When the appellant finished his gruesome act, he noticed that she was no longer breathing and had turned blue, a fact he attributed to putting “too much pressure on her [neck] where she couldn't breathe.”

39 posted on 07/12/2014 5:38:38 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: Jim Noble
If Mallory O’Brien, executive director of the Milwaukee Homicide Review Commission, looked closer to home, looking at Milwaukee homicide statistics:
Milwaukee, with a population of just less than 600,000, is 40 percent African-American and 37 percent white. The 2011 Homicide Review Commission reports there were 86 homicides that year, with 93 percent of the suspects black males.

Overall, the homicide rate was 14.5 per 100,000 residents, and the nonfatal shooting rate was 79.5 per 100,000 residents. However, when broken down by race, “the homicide rate per black residents is 27.9 per 100,000 compared to 9.7 per 100,000 Latino residents and 1.7 per 100,000 White residents.”

The report concludes that “of the 2011 homicide victims, 77 percent (66) had a least one prior arrest and of the known 2011 homicide suspects 90 percent (74) had at least one prior arrest.”

Similar trends were found for nonfatal shooting victims and suspects.

Most "gun homicides" are people with criminal histories shooting other criminals. Most of the rest are criminals shooting regular citizens, or regular citizens shooting criminals in self defense.
40 posted on 07/12/2014 5:39:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: GailA
'Nikki' Read 8 yrs old


41 posted on 07/12/2014 5:40:34 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: Jim Noble
It's time to call it what it is: an epidemic of gun violence as deadly as any infectious disease or plague that any health professional can imagine.

It's as stupid to apply any supposed remedies to Swedish-Wisconsinites in rural Wisconsin as it would be to screen them for sickle cell anemia. But under the guise of political correctness, that's what liberals advocate.

True, disease vector control is key, but it can't help as long as so many deliberately cover their eyes so that they can not see.


42 posted on 07/12/2014 5:41:57 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: marktwain
--“Gun violence” is a propaganda metric. as, IMHO, "illegal gun"--there are no "illegal" guns, only illegal gun usage--

--incidentally , the Wall Street Journal apparently had an editorial on the subject of black societal disfunction as the root cause of "crime" in urban areas a week or so ago--surprising that there hasn't been more uproar about that---

43 posted on 07/12/2014 5:42:45 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

“Gun violence is a crisis in public health”

Sounds like we need to import more illegal gang bangers from Central America.

We need their expertise’s in how to cure this “health problem”.


44 posted on 07/12/2014 5:44:04 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Brooklyn Attitude; Jim Noble

From the article “ she sees similarities with Milwaukee in terms of the demographics and the social environments where many of the shootings are located.”

Uh OH ... the author went there.

Indeed, if one objectively analyzes the “vectors” (excellent epidemiology analogy by the way) they can be largely categorized and constrained by geography, culture, age and “race”/”ethnicity”.

But to even suggest that publicly, empirically, is of course “r a c i s t “


45 posted on 07/12/2014 5:44:39 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Jim Noble

Amen. Sadly both have become political tools.


46 posted on 07/12/2014 5:45:47 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: PapaBear3625

Keep in mind please that crime is Hierarchical Counted. If a man kidnaps, rapes, robs, and kills a woman only the murder charge is counted. That leaves 3 additional crimes to be flushed down the toilet, and are not part of stats.

In both these statewide studies only 45% of prison population were studied, so you are going to have to multiply out the actual numbers if you want 100%.

Recidivism
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17
These offenders had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release.

Older study, but invaluable info. Probation and Parole: https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/ppvsp91.txt
Keep in mind the sampling was just 45%, they originally committed 25,900 crimes, when placed early release under ‘community’ supervision for parole and probation they then committed another 74,400 new crimes. That folks adds up to 100,300 crimes, and many times more than in victims. As there are multiple people affected when a child is raped or a person murdered.

This is an older study as there are no newer ones, this gives you a big idea of just how many additional early release of criminals to parole and probation cause.


47 posted on 07/12/2014 5:47:48 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: rellimpank

Democrat public policy and Democrat politicians and cities run by them... that’s the crisis here.

But go ahead, change the subject. The pot-smoking, alphabet-news watching, welfare-supported segment of the population (large and growing) doesn’t want to know the truth anyway.


48 posted on 07/12/2014 5:48:16 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: rellimpank

If somehow you were able to eliminate every gun in Chicago these savages will still be killing each other,...


49 posted on 07/12/2014 5:48:18 AM PDT by wny
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To: rellimpank

Actually, it’s a crisis in Liberalism; most of those who commit these crimes are Black/Hispanic gang-bangers.


50 posted on 07/12/2014 6:09:01 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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