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“Why Not One? Why Not Zero?” Gov. Christie Vetoes N.J. Magazine Ban
The Daily Caller ^ | 12 July 2014 | Daily Caller

Posted on 07/12/2014 9:31:57 AM PDT by PoloSec

On Wednesday last week, New Jersey’s Gov. Chris Christie (R) vetoed legislation that would have banned the possession of ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds. Such magazines are most commonly used in handguns and general-purpose semi-automatic rifles kept for defensive purposes.

Gov. Christie, who more than a year ago urged people to act like “grown-ups on this issue,” appeared to question the intellectual and emotional maturity of gun control supporters who pushed for the magazine ban. “This [ban] is the very embodiment of reform in name only,” Christie said. “It simply defies common sense to believe that imposing a new and entirely arbitrary number of bullets that can be lawfully loaded into a firearm will somehow eradicate, or even reduce, future instances of mass violence.” Christie added, “I will not support such a trivial approach to the sanctity of human life.”

Similarly, in a press release accompanying his veto, Christie said, “We will not settle for grandstanding reform in name only. . . . Mass violence will not end by changing the number of bullets loaded into a gun. It will end with a serious commitment to elevating our response to mental illness. . . . It will end by taking seriously our duty to incarcerate violent criminals, not by criminalizing the conduct of law abiding citizens to score political points.”

Responding to the unproven argument that a 10-round limit might save an 11th victim, Gov. Christie said, “If you take the logical conclusion of their argument, you go to zero, because every life is valuable. And so, why 10? Why not six? Why not two? Why not one? Why not zero? Why not just ban guns completely?” Christie added, “I understand their argument. I’ve heard their argument. I don’t agree with their argument. We have a fundamental disagreement about the effectiveness of what they’re advocating. And I’ve listened to them. I’ve met with them. I heard their arguments directly and personally. I’ve read a lot on this issue. And I made the decision that I made.”

Gun control supporters are, of course, outraged, and have resorted to their usual mean-spirited, personal attacks and insults to express their displeasure. Assemblyman Lou Greenwald (D), co-sponsor of the ban along with Sen. Loretta Weinberg (D), accused Christie of “craven cowardice.” Since the U.S. Senate rejected President Obama’s gun control package last year, “coward” has become gun control supporters’ default slur for any elected official who doesn’t kowtow to their demands.

Meanwhile, the Violence Policy Center once again tried to build support for gun control among the fringe, accusing Christie of vetoing the ban for the sake of “gun industry profits,” failing to realize that a 10-round magazine costs just as much to manufacture as one holding 11 rounds.

Gun control supporters had argued that limiting magazine capacity would make it easier to overpower criminals attempting to reload. Some had even claimed that such occurrences were commonplace, when, in fact, they are exceedingly rare. In the nation’s worst multiple shooting, for example–at Virginia Tech, in 2007–the perpetrator reloaded more than a dozen times. His crime came to an end not because he was overpowered by his intended victims, but because he took his own life when the police arrived.

Similarly, the perpetrator of the so-called “Isla Vista” shootings in California this year had numerous 10-round magazines, and reloaded at will until committing suicide after being chased down by the police.

Regrettably, New Jersey still has a magazine capacity limit of 15 rounds, signed into law in 1990, along with its “assault firearm” ban by then-governor Jim Florio (D). The law potentially endangers good Americans in New Jersey by limiting their ability to defend themselves. While law enforcement officers generally carry spare magazines on their duty belts, private individuals often have only the magazine in their firearm’s magazine well.

Legislation to repeal New Jersey’s “assault firearm” and magazine bans passed the legislature in 1992. Gov. Florio’s veto of the repeal was overridden by the Assembly but upheld in the Senate the following year, largely along party lines. Since then, those who voted to repeal have been proven right. New Jersey’s murder rate has decreased only 16 percent, while the national murder rate has decreased 50 percent.

Gun control supporters have no interest in learning that lesson, or that voters see past their phony “guns safety” claims, but on Election Day this year, we can given them a refresher course nonetheless.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: guns

1 posted on 07/12/2014 9:31:57 AM PDT by PoloSec
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To: PoloSec

...”the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...”

(a local friend points out that compliance with any such fake “laws” is Stupid as Hell...)


2 posted on 07/12/2014 9:38:42 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: PoloSec

Good statement by Christie. Good move to veto this bill.

It is always amazing to me that Liberals love all things gun control even when the freedom to own guns is the right there in the second amendment. However they scream to the high heavens when any form of abortion Control is suggested even though it is a ‘right’ not even considered by the founders.


3 posted on 07/12/2014 9:39:42 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: PoloSec

It’s patriotic acts such as this veto that makes Christie a good friend to conservatives.

Then..............he gets out a dagger a stabs us in the back.

Guess we need to enjoy this act while we can.


4 posted on 07/12/2014 9:41:36 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: PoloSec

This may help you understand what’s wrong with the insecure girly-”men” and wussies who try to do crap like this. Maybe we should take up a collection and send them a supply of Viagra.

“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
Sigmund Freud


5 posted on 07/12/2014 9:47:08 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: PoloSec

Christie is a RINO traitor, but after helping Enemy Combatant (Hussein) con his way back into office (2012), Christie knows he better start acting like an American, or else find a private-sector job without the free buffet.


6 posted on 07/12/2014 9:47:50 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: PoloSec

I have to agree with Christie on this one. He is right on target.


7 posted on 07/12/2014 9:48:47 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: faithhopecharity

ps: the point friend was making is that it will be dangerous to one’s health and liberty to willingly give any future tyrants a roadmap to come get you

Personally speaking, I think that any future tyrants or dictatorally-minded presidents or bureaucrats will most likely just go door to door and sweep everybody into their nets, knowing that many or most guns are not on their “background check” or “registration” lists anyway
,,,so we are in full compiance with all these (yes, obviously and completely improper) laws. But then again, we even stop when we see octagonal red signs... and we usually don’t jaywalk either. Obeying laws is habit-forming, I guess...so that we comply with even the most unconstitional laws. Friend says, ‘but what if they passed patently unconstitutional laws like this, not just lawful laws like for stop signs..... and nobody obeyed?”

We haven’t come up with a good answer to that one yet..
Such as, what if all Christian believers just ignored Obamacare’s “you must pay for abortions, etc.”
regulations?

The regs would break down completely and become nothing more than a laughing matter. The govt can’t put the entire Body of Christ into gaol...

but I don’t want to divert this thread to the abortion issue. Just that it makes a good example for the issue raised by such obviously unconstitional legislation as Gov Chritie has just vetoed.


8 posted on 07/12/2014 9:54:43 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Parley Baer

And yet in New Jersey you still need a permit to buy a BB gun and you cannot buy a slingshot.


9 posted on 07/12/2014 9:57:27 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: PoloSec
Since the U.S. Senate rejected President Obama’s gun control package last year, “coward” has become gun control supporters’ default slur for any elected official who doesn’t kowtow to their demands.

"Coward."
Has a nice ring to it.
Another "sticks and stones" mentality third grade juvenile lashing out by the progressive intellectual crowd.

It can join the litany of the lexicon of irrational substitute for reasoned debate :

Racist.
Homophobe.
Sexist.
Inhumane.
Xenophobe.
And that catchall beaut when all else fails...
"It's the right thing to do."

The mentally deficient have a really serious inability to distinguish fact from opinion, in addition to childish namecalling : the unwillingness or inability to explain, rationally, why the chosen label fits or is deserved.

10 posted on 07/12/2014 10:30:05 AM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: PoloSec

“Since the U.S. Senate rejected President Obama’s gun control package last year, “coward” has become gun control supporters’ default slur for any elected official who doesn’t kowtow to their demands.”

Totally true in the NJ newspapers. And like petulent teenagers, the editorial writers just call everything “stewpid” when they can’t come up with a mature and logical argument against it.

An editorial in one of the NJ papers this week said that Christie’s veto of the magazine limit could potentially enable a weekend of violence such as in Chicago recently. I hate to burst their little diversity bubble, but the problem there isn’t magazine limits or legal gun ownership.

I concluded a long time ago that local newspapers are no longer written for the type of people who read local newspapers.


11 posted on 07/12/2014 10:42:32 AM PDT by RaveOn ("No amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie." Lamar Keene, "True Believers")
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To: FReepers
As far as the left is concerned, Americans cannot
be trusted with these high capacity lead delivery systems.



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12 posted on 07/12/2014 10:42:37 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: PoloSec; All
These reduced mag wars illustrate how farcking stooopid legislators and journalists are. First of all , there are no magazines that can contain a "bullet."

Second, most of these assholes believe that mags come pre-loaded from the factory and cannot be reloaded. They don't realize that a typical mag change is under two seconds.

If these morons cared about the topic, they would do some research and learn the facts.

Here's a well known competitor (retired) doing a field review of a Sig Sauer P220 in .45 Auto using four 8 round mags and one 10 round mag.

Hickok45 shooting a Sig P220

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYd6aEikn08

13 posted on 07/12/2014 10:44:19 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

LOL! Lead delivery system indeed.


14 posted on 07/12/2014 10:45:52 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: PoloSec
In the nation’s worst multiple shooting, for example–at Virginia Tech, in 2007–the perpetrator reloaded more than a dozen times. His crime came to an end not because he was overpowered by his intended victims, but because he took his own life when the police arrived, most likely because it was a gun-free zone where the victims had no opportunity to properly defend themselves.
15 posted on 07/12/2014 11:23:07 AM PDT by mikrofon (2A Bump)
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To: PoloSec

Well that’s a start but how about rolling back some of the tons of gun control laws already on the books in the state?

That would be really newsworthy.

New Jersey has oppressive gun control. Roll it back.


16 posted on 07/12/2014 11:26:12 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: PoloSec

Truth is, it is about banning self defense, period, not just guns.

Whether you use a 22 single shot or a shoot once with a belt fed, you still use a deadly weapon in the eyes of the law, but the guy attacking you might survive the first weapon.

This ban is illegal. Notwithstanding that they will come back for more compromise.


17 posted on 07/12/2014 11:33:08 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: PoloSec

Weeks ago I had a chance to speak to Gov. Christie about this issue, and he asked that I keep his response confidential until after he acted, but he said that he would never sign the proposed magazine limit. He said not to worry, that the limitation on magazine size was just “show time” by its proponents.

I think that he is exactly right, and he did what he said he would.

The liberals who propose these things are NOT interested in any real solutions, because that would eliminate the issue. They wish to keep issues alive forever. That is why they do not really want a reduction in race, class, or gender rivalries (real or imagined): that would ruin their game.

Another example is the minimum wage. IMHO it is unconstitutional at the federal level, and anywhere it is a restriction on the freedom of contract. It causes unemployment at the low end of the pay scale, interferes with the chance for beginners to get experience, interferes with jobs for the disabled, and is totally uneconomical. If it is such a good idea, why do the proponents only ask for a $10/hr minimum? Whey not $20, or $100 and hour. Hey, why not $1,000/hr, which would make everyone rich?

But politically the minimum wage is a great “show time” issue. It helps politicians posture; and costs them very little, as the harm is not clearly traceable by the public back to the legislative perpetrators.

Christie’s own approach is based on the reality, which is that the notorious attacks such as at Sandy Hook, CT, were by young men with clear symptoms of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is quite common (rates estimated at almost 1% of the population) and shows up with maturity (very late teens and 20s). It is not curable: it is slightly treatable but not curable by psychiatry, but can only effectively be handled by medication. Patients often feel better, and quit their medication; or feel worse, and quit their medication. Or they just forget. A small proportion of schizophrenics can become very violent. They obviously should not have access to guns, or (for that matter) cars, alcohol, or any blunt or sharp objects.

Christie’s proposal is to tighten up on access to weapons by such individuals. The liberals, on the other hand, are for patient’s rights, even if the patients are dangerous individuals.

Clearly, on this issue, and in the New Jersey context, Christie is the conservative, on the side of principle and practicality.


18 posted on 07/12/2014 11:34:22 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: deoetdoctrinae

That assault pensil is probably safer to use and is why it has those features. But it is not safety to them, just a military feature.


19 posted on 07/12/2014 11:35:12 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: faithhopecharity
(a local friend points out that compliance with any such fake “laws” is Stupid as Hell...)

You need new friends.
If the foundation of our Constitution, and the Republic itself, The Bill of Rights, consists of fake laws, what else are these geniuses ignorant about? Just about everything, I suspect.


The Bill of Rights consists of assertions and prohibitions, not on citizens, but exclusively on the ruling mechanism of the Republic. They are not subject to amendment or repeal.

But, as we have seen recently, they are subject to being ignored, if the People allow it. However, I doubt they can ever be made to disappear, and in the process to create any acceptable substitute.

20 posted on 07/12/2014 11:42:06 AM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: RaveOn

“I concluded a long time ago that local newspapers are no longer written for the type of people who read local newspapers.”

Yes, they don’t have much influence at this point. As everywhere else, fewer people are getting their news from the print media; in NJ, that is compounded by the exodus of English-speakers from the state. Years ago when I would get telemarketing calls from the Star-Ledger or New York Times, I would actually tell the caller which recent political endorsement would prevent me from ever buying their papers again...


21 posted on 07/12/2014 12:28:17 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: docbnj

Christie has all the right enemies; he is doing something right. While he is favorite target of many FReepers, I only consider criticisms from those living in NJ; I don’t think others understand how out-of-hand our problems with the teachers’ unions were before, and how he has cut them off at the knees with his tax cap.

Those unions are the real owners of the Democratic Party; their hatred of him is telling.


22 posted on 07/12/2014 12:31:51 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: PoloSec

Proof that Crispy is running for president (or at least considering it). He knows signing this bill won’t go over well with primary voters nationwide. I suspect otherwise he would sign it.


23 posted on 07/12/2014 1:26:32 PM PDT by Hugin
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