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Fog of War in Benghazi Hampered Military Response
Military.com ^ | July 12, 2014 | Donna Cassata and Bradley Klapper

Posted on 07/12/2014 12:12:46 PM PDT by QT3.14

The military might have been able to prevent two of the four U.S. deaths in Benghazi if commanders had known more about the intensity of the sporadic gunfire directed at the CIA installation where Americans had taken refuge and had pressed to get a rescue team there faster, according to senior military leaders.

In closed-door testimony to Congress earlier this year, top military officers said that after the first attack on the main U.S. diplomatic outpost on Sept. 11, 2012, they thought the fighting had subsided and the Americans who had fled to the CIA base about a mile away were safe. In fact, they were facing intermittent small-arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades around midnight and had returned fire. Then the attackers dispersed.

Hours later, at first light, an 11-minute mortar and rocket-propelled grenade attack slammed into the CIA annex, killing security contractors Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.

(Excerpt) Read more at military.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazi; hillary; military; obama; scandals

1 posted on 07/12/2014 12:12:46 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

“Fog of war”? Please. Ridiculous.


2 posted on 07/12/2014 12:15:38 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: QT3.14

can anyone give a link where the complete transcripts to the military officers testimony is shown ? Now released , but where ?


3 posted on 07/12/2014 12:15:50 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: QT3.14

ONLY FOG was in the White House... everywhere else was pretty clear..


4 posted on 07/12/2014 12:17:53 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: QT3.14
OK Clausewitz, now it's REALLY getin deep...
5 posted on 07/12/2014 12:27:28 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: hosepipe

Yeah, blowing smoke isn’t fog.


6 posted on 07/12/2014 12:29:48 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Take back our republic. Article V.)
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To: hosepipe

Fog of judgment and accountability


7 posted on 07/12/2014 12:32:55 PM PDT by drunknsage
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To: QT3.14

Bull chit and lies. That’s all this is.


8 posted on 07/12/2014 12:37:59 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: Ray76

“Fog of war”? Please. Ridiculous.


More like the “smoke screen of Obama and Clinton” then the “fog of war”


9 posted on 07/12/2014 12:39:30 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: QT3.14

I’m getting really sick of this “fog of war” excuse being used for every screw-up that nobody wants to take responsibility for.


10 posted on 07/12/2014 12:40:31 PM PDT by RaveOn ("No amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie." Lamar Keene, "True Believers")
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To: QT3.14

According to this article, drones can’t see well at night...

I ran this by a contact who has info about such things and he openly began to laugh calling it “ ridiculous and an outright lie”. We have the most advanced weapon systems on earth that can see anywhere, anytime, in any condition yet we are supposed to believe a bit of darkness and gunfire will obscure an advanced reconnaissance platform designed to relay battlefield information in real time.

And one other thing, there is little chance that was a predator. The military calls every drone a predator because the ones in operation are top secret.


11 posted on 07/12/2014 12:42:40 PM PDT by drunknsage
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To: LeoWindhorse

This may be what you’re looking for:

http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/press-releases?ContentRecord_id=17D69AFC-744A-43DA-8BEA-D582975C1277


12 posted on 07/12/2014 1:04:41 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: QT3.14

I’m thinking...more like “choom of war”.


13 posted on 07/12/2014 1:14:37 PM PDT by moovova
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To: QT3.14

I’ve read the first eight transcripts. Here are some highlights for me.
There was an AC-130 in the region. The OPS Admiral didn’t know the capabilities of this Air Force aircraft.
There wasn’t an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean.
The Air Force made the statement to the OPS people in Germany that it would take 16 hours from notification to get an F-16 from Aviano to Benghazi.
Communications were actually not bad.
One of the facilities in Benghazi had been used by Americans fairly extensively during the fighting to overthrow Qadaffi.
Lots of discussion over what “stand down” means.


14 posted on 07/12/2014 1:20:07 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: drunknsage

Can’t see well at night. . .what a bunch of low grade crud.

Sensors are functional using visual (E/O) and infrared.

Some have a special sensor that has a SAR-type of sensor as well.

The UAV’s operating that night had excellent visuals and zooming capability.

EVERYONE in the White House, State Department and Pentagon situation rooms was watching it real-time.

They knew what was happening but yet politics demanded no action.


15 posted on 07/12/2014 1:26:29 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: QT3.14

imagine “Fog of War” being used as an excuse under a Republican administration...


16 posted on 07/12/2014 1:27:27 PM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: blueunicorn6

“The Air Force made the statement to the OPS people in Germany that it would take 16 hours from notification to get an F-16 from Aviano to Benghazi.”

That would involve putting together a full strike package, not a rapid-reaction show of force.

Around 2-hrs could have had F-16’s overhead doing a show of force passes and a couple of gun-runs.


17 posted on 07/12/2014 1:28:24 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: QT3.14

If they had KNOWN MORE about the gunfire..?!

For crying out loud HQ had PERFECT radio comms the whole time and had REAL TIME VIDEO of the scene…!

If that is not far above the average situation awareness afforded HQ for a dynamic tactical situation, then TELL ME WHAT MIGHT BE…?

Maybe they feel they required a PSYCHIC on-scene, or a HobbitEsque all-seeing EYE..?

Maybe HQ required real-time radio with the ATTACKERS…?

THIS IS RIDICULOUS.


18 posted on 07/12/2014 1:43:25 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: QT3.14

I’ve been retired for a while now, and I don’t have all the Field Manuals.
The incident in Benghazi has always looked like a “Raid” to me. That has a specific meaning in the military. I think it was a successful raid for the enemy. It knocked us back on our heels. For you John Boyd fans (I’m one), the enemy got “inside” our OODA Loop. We were reacting to them and never caught up.
We used to talk about three proximities of combat. I think they were “Close”, “Near” and “Far”. It looks to me like everyone was concentrated on the Close battle. Higher headquarters should have looked more at the Near and Far battles.
The most disturbing thing is that there has been no After Action Review to learn from this. That may have been a political decision, but it’s a bad decision.
This fighting and killing and dying is a hard business. Not everyone in the business should be there. Make a mistake at Costco, and sales might be down this month. Make a mistake in the military and lots of good people can get dead.


19 posted on 07/12/2014 1:43:30 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: QT3.14

These two, plus Connie Cass, to whom this piece is attributed are all AP foreign correspondents.

Two of them are Salon contributors.

I perused the article.

It said nothing new since what we have heard “earlier this year”.

Gen Ham says, “with no distractions, etc” could mean admin telling him to not go in, for all we know, for all this hit piece tells us.

It is blaming the military.

If they’re going to do that, I hope whatever’s left of the top brass can decipher, and people reading can decipher, that means the military and whatever obstacles were directed at them from their supervisors.

I hope people can miraculously figure out that an operation of this significance, State Dept people in country, it hardly gets more sensitive than that, that the military does nothing on that level without approval, ad that saving a consulate, evacuating, protecting, is a very simple, deadly, perhaps, but simple operation, at least compared with what the writers here have been ordered to try to tell/sell us.

The military did not fail.

Sean Smith did not in any way fail.

Lord give us a break!


20 posted on 07/12/2014 1:43:44 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Hulka

I agree with you.


21 posted on 07/12/2014 1:45:27 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Hulka

Geeze, even I know that, and the closest I’ve ever been to the ramp at Aviano was on a drive through.


22 posted on 07/12/2014 1:47:33 PM PDT by stanne
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To: drunknsage
According to this article, drones can’t see well at night...

A lie designed to fool only the idiots with the high-volume slobber: SAR --Synthetic Aperature Radar turns night into day, piercing even (literal) fog and heavy cloud cover. The units get smaller and smaller. While they used to be on satellites, now they're a bit larger than a bread box, they panelize and are even on small drones --much smaller than Predator.

23 posted on 07/12/2014 1:53:47 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: QT3.14

Leadership plays a huge role in the problems at Benghazi. And the leader at the top is President Obama. He has no military experience. Maybe it’s important for the American Commander-In-Chief to have some military experience. The choke point between the American people and the American military is the President. The President has to show leadership. I have yet to see where Obama displayed any leadership during the Benghazi incident.
People here at Free Republic have rightly stated that experts focus more on logistics than tactics. But leadership is critical. Would Third Army have been able to relieve Bastogne without the leadership of Patton? Probably not. The leader sets the tone. What was the tone set by President Obama in this? He went fundraising. Does that send a message of urgency and concern?
We can analyze Benghazi with an electron microscope, but the truth is always going to be that Benghazi belongs to President Obama.


24 posted on 07/12/2014 1:58:57 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: QT3.14

The fog of war is no excuse to being totally unprepared.


25 posted on 07/12/2014 2:02:49 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: QT3.14

Military and Law Enforcement officers immediately respond to “shots fired” and never wait, you move and call in for instructions. Now they may be called off for extenuating circumstances, but at the outset you drop everything and move - lives may be at risk.

That concept may be old fashioned for the moderns.


26 posted on 07/12/2014 2:12:18 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: QT3.14
Fog of War in Benghazi Hampered Military Response

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The only 'fog' that hampered the military response in Benghazi is the one that surrounds Barry's head.

No, what hampered it was that he was not even there to give the cross border authority so the military could act.

The others involved just basically sat there and watched them die.

27 posted on 07/12/2014 2:22:13 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Ray76
Obama loves the smell of Pink Slips in the morning.
28 posted on 07/12/2014 2:37:28 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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I forgot Trey Gowdy challenged the MSM with these questions that don't appear in the article:

Can you tell me why Amb. Stevens was in Benghazi the night he was killed?

Do you know why we were the last flag flying in Benghazi when the British had left and the Red Cross bombed?

Do you know why requests for additional security by Amb. Stevens were denied or unheeded?

Do you know why no assets were deployed during the siege. Were other countries asked for assistance?

Do you know why Susan Rice was picked to appear on 5 Sunday talk shows when HC claims she hates appearing in that venue?

29 posted on 07/12/2014 3:01:56 PM PDT by QT3.14 (USA born 7.4.1776 fathered by geniuses, died 11.4.2008 (Suicide) by idiots and traitors)
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To: QT3.14

Under the Clown Prince nobama “leadership” it is becoming the “fag of war.”


30 posted on 07/12/2014 3:41:42 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: QT3.14

Just finished reading the ninth transcript. General Ham. Issa and Chaffetz asked the tough questions. They aren’t whimps.
You analyze Benghazi in chunks of time. You have the time prior to the incident. You have the time when the incident is going on. You have the time after the incident. Most of the questioning for all 9 people focused on what happened prior to the incident. Embassies belong to The State Department. Most of what went on before the incident falls to The State Department. They are the ones who could have prevented this, not the military.
Could the military have done better during the incident? Probably. The Air Force has two big strengths. They can attack from above and they can get to the battlefield fast. Did either of those happen at Benghazi? Why not?
No American military Officer wants to be a goat. They get to the top by believing that they never make mistakes. Well, they do. I have seen Officers who eat bullets for breakfast but could never admit they were wrong or accept criticism. Too bad.
Ambassador Stevens worked out of the facility in Benghazi during the overthrow of Qadaffi. It was probably a well known American facility and a target for some time.
These transcripts are just a little bitty teeny tiny piece of the incident at Benghazi. I stick by my earlier opinion that Benghazi is Obama’s baby.


31 posted on 07/12/2014 5:15:51 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: hosepipe
ONLY FOG was in the White House... everywhere else was pretty clear..

The fog machine has been running full tilt from the beginning. Funny how some officers told Congress (about 100 years ago it seems) a different story. Maybe Obama managed to fire enough that were involved, and have real info, to be able to ensure those that remain will maintain the Party line....

And you can count on the MSM to further push any facts into the background. If there were photos that made it hard for them to tell lies, then the photos disappeared after everyone saw them, the MSM would say, "I knew it - the photos were a vast Right Wing conspiracy and never existed".

32 posted on 07/13/2014 2:46:18 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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