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Rogers: Germany throwing ‘political temper tantrum’
thehill.com ^ | July 12, 2014 | Justin Sink

Posted on 07/12/2014 1:22:29 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

“political temper tantrum” after ordering the CIA station chief to leave the country over allegations the U.S. had recruited two government officials to spy.

“It just doesn't seem like a very adult reaction to expel the CIA chief from Germany,” Rogers said in an interview with CNN. “And it's concerning and it's a political temper tantrum like I've never seen before that I think is not productive, it is jeopardizing both intelligence cooperation and relationships with beyond the intelligence relationship between America and Germany.”

Rogers said the expulsion, announced earlier this week, was “a huge deal,” and said he was very concerned Germany was “going to jeopardize” collaborative intelligence efforts “over this alleged incident.”

“This is something that we would expect from the Russians. We would expect from the Iranians. We would expect from the North Koreans. We don't expect from our allies, the Germans where they know of this really important intelligence relationship,” Rogers said.

The Michigan Republican suggested German Chancellor Angela Merkel had taken “a political knee-jerk reaction” to the allegations. Surveillance is a particularly potent political issue in Germany, where many citizens lived under Soviet rule for decades. Merkel’s family was targeted by the East German secret police while she was growing up, and has previously expressed personal outrage over revelations the NSA was monitoring her cell phone conversations.

But Rogers said Germany was guilty of spying on the U.S. as well.

“As the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, I feel very confident in telling you and your viewers, listen, the German Intelligence Services, they're engaged in espionage including against the U.S. persons,” Rogers said. “And so I'm a little surprised by this whole reaction.”

On Saturday, Merkel said she didn’t think the U.S. would stop spying on Germany, despite the diplomatic flap.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: eussr; merkel; michigan; obama; yeswescan

1 posted on 07/12/2014 1:22:29 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Merkel’s family was targeted by the East German secret police while she was growing up, and has previously expressed personal outrage over revelations the NSA was monitoring her cell phone conversations.

And yet, Merkel was herself a member of the communist party and worked with the communists as a propagandist.

The reason behind the "childish" response is this: it is a Russian play to divide Germany from the United States, and there are elements within the German government, including Merkel, who are working to do it.

2 posted on 07/12/2014 1:26:29 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

It’s more than that. European companies are moving away from US IT as a response


3 posted on 07/12/2014 1:30:27 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Winston Churchill said, “Nations don’t have friends. Nations have common interests.” We need to keep an eye on all nations. It’s called situational awareness. Generally, when we see somebody spying we watch them. Almost never do they get arrested. If you arrest them then you might not find the next one. But if you leave them in place you can feed them information you’d like somebody else to have.

They spy on us too. Especially, the French spy on us. But the French steal trade secrets and give them to connected companies. Our spying is entirely political. Most nations use economic spying to gain advantage.


4 posted on 07/12/2014 1:30:28 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
There was talk a couple of years ago about the German government wanting to come up with a modern-day equivalent of Molotov-Ribbentrop, which would enable both the European Union and Eurasian Union to consolidate their respective powers while not taking any action against one another. Not just over the Baltic Sea pipeline either, but relating to Georgia/South Ossetia too.
5 posted on 07/12/2014 1:31:26 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Not a very impressive performance by the Congressman.

What part of national sovereignty doesn't he understand?

Expelling the CIA station chief was small change.

Pretty much what we'd do if we caught the Germans spying on us.

6 posted on 07/12/2014 1:33:27 PM PDT by x
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Rogers knows a lot more of what’s going on than what his comments mention, but, he too is a politician, so measure his words. As far as the Germans are concerned, who knows what else obama has pulled with our so-called “allies”; I’m sure they can’t believe a word this leader of the “free world” utters, and shudder at the length of time he remains in office. The world will be greatly more broken then, as compared to when he “won”. I don’t blame the Germans, and anyone else, for being pi$$ed off with the spying, although even so called friendly nations do it to each other all the time. There’s much more going on than what is being commented on. Practicing Statecraft, the art of deception at its finest.


7 posted on 07/12/2014 1:34:06 PM PDT by john drake (Lucius Accius-Roman,170 BC - "oderint dum metuant" translated "Let them hate so long as they fear")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What would Obama do if German intelligence was caught tapping his phone? I think it would be a lot more that expelling a single spy.


8 posted on 07/12/2014 1:37:05 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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Theater for public consumption.

Still waiting for the benefits of Snowden’s “revelations.”


9 posted on 07/12/2014 1:37:22 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Germany was “going to jeopardize” collaborative intelligence efforts ‘over this alleged incident.’”

No this is in response to Obama’s unfettered penchant to diss all of the US friends - the Germans detest our POTUS and we will find other countries following suit. Obama has fundamentally changed the US - to a third world mentality. We voluntarily gave away the world leader role - now watch everyone pile on!!!


10 posted on 07/12/2014 1:42:05 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Olog-hai

How about Königsberg? You know, to sweeten the deal.


11 posted on 07/12/2014 1:45:22 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yeah, comments like that will make the Germans feel better about America.


12 posted on 07/12/2014 2:15:12 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Gen.Blather

Churchill also observed of the Germans: “The Hun is either at your throat or at your feet.’’


13 posted on 07/12/2014 2:17:16 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: jmacusa

“Churchill also observed of the Germans: “The Hun is either at your throat or at your feet.’’”

For Churchill’s time and from his experience that was true. It was America’s will and treasure that made Germany the fine upstanding international citizen they are today. America stood guard so the German’s wouldn’t have to. For roughly five generations America helped mold the German psyche into a good neighbor. What they are today they owe to the beneficence of those who won World War Two, including the British. But it is time to allow them to sink or swim on their own. We should part in friendship and let them take over the burden of protecting what we, together have built.


14 posted on 07/12/2014 2:27:09 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: elpadre

Germany, France, NATO are all on the outside of true intelligence sharing with the US. The real insiders intelligence club was forged in two world wars and membership is limited by a common culture, language, and a common approach to freedom. The has not been a war among members of this club for 200 years. It is a closed club that is not accepting new members. The Germans, the French and the rest are somewhat jealous.


15 posted on 07/12/2014 2:29:14 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Gen.Blather
Our spying is entirely political. Most nations use economic spying to gain advantage.

Entirely Political? Then what would be the purpose of hacking, monitoring, wiretapping, and data mining of the innocent law abiding of any given country?

16 posted on 07/12/2014 3:43:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

“Entirely Political? Then what would be the purpose of hacking, monitoring, wiretapping, and data mining of the innocent law abiding of any given country? “

They are defending the new communist state and its leaders from wicked, bitter bible clinging gun lovers. That’s not political? It’s certainly not economic. If they were finding out that dragnet2 was willing to take $4,500 for his 13 year old Ford F150 when you had it listed for $6,250, and they told potential buyers, then that would be economic. There are really only two types of international and domestic spying. (I will add that finding out Justice Anthony Kennedy had an ongoing affair with a sheep named Dolly and was open to blackmail...nope, still political.)


17 posted on 07/12/2014 3:49:58 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather
Entirely Political? Then what would be the purpose of hacking, monitoring, wiretapping, and data mining of the innocent law abiding of any given country? “ They are defending the new communist state and its leaders from wicked, bitter bible clinging gun lovers. That’s not political?

Absolutely, I think we both agree, but I see the motives as not simply political, but an effort for total punitive control and manipulation, beyond what most would consider political. An dictatorial over throw of established law, Constitution etc.

18 posted on 07/12/2014 4:04:20 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Gen.Blather
I will add that finding out Justice Anthony Kennedy had an ongoing affair with a sheep named Dolly and was open to blackmail...nope, still political

But blackmail is a serious crime, regardless of the motive.

19 posted on 07/12/2014 4:08:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: x

Most liberal globalists have no clue about national sovereignty


20 posted on 07/12/2014 4:11:03 PM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (Haley Barbour rather work for drug cartels than Americans)
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To: dragnet2

“But blackmail is a serious crime, regardless of the motive. “

A crime that would be prosecuted by The Justice Department which is under...Eric Holder...who is under...Obama. So, who would order it prosecuted? The Founders, who envisioned and planned for everything they could think of never once thought the president could be the enemy of his own country.


21 posted on 07/12/2014 4:13:00 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

I think it’s just the term I tend to disagree with. I guess I need to learn politics is just another criminal enterprise.


22 posted on 07/12/2014 4:13:10 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Gen.Blather

While America fought The Cold War and we plowed billions into our own defense and the NATO partnership, German steel and automakers pretty much crowded us out of the market. It has been my experience over the last forty years to have known some Germans, here as students and while they are proper, respectful largely in moments of candor they reveal themselves. They don’t like us. It isn’t just that we beat them in two world wars, they resent our constant pointing to their past, to be fair a past that at least three generations of Germans had nothing to do with. They also resent our hubris in world affairs that I think is perhaps a latent insecurity that there has been in history a ‘’Pax Britannia’’ or an “American Century’’ but there has never really been a ‘’Deutchland Uber Alles’’ in the true sense of the word. That being an imperial power with a two ocean navy and much larger share of territories and colonies around the world than a few colonies they once had in East Africa. In my years of looking and reading so much WW1 and WW2 history Germany seems to be this great powerhouse of energy and power and promise but no real constructive and peaceful way of achieving. Sort of ‘’all dressed up and no where to go’’ if you will. And while I’d be more than willing to bet that the days of “Drang Nach Osten’’ won’t return and neither will the jackboots I think that some Germans might still struggle with the “Weltenshunning’’(sp?) or “World View’’ of themselves as a nation and a people. Goethe did observe of his fellow Germans as being ‘’noble in the individual and wretched in the collective’’. But we’re a long way from his days and I think the great majority of the German people don’t want a war of any kind. And as long as they keep competing in and winning World Cups in soccer they won’t be thinking about marching around again.


23 posted on 07/12/2014 4:16:23 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: jmacusa
Once when German mathematician Ernst Witt (1911-1991) was in Princeton, a Russian mathematician came up to say how much he liked a certain discovery of Witt's

Witt replied, "I came up with that in Russia."

The Russian said, "Oh? When were you in Russia?"

Witt replied, "When I was in the Wehrmacht."

24 posted on 07/12/2014 4:29:54 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Former Proud Canadian

IMO -
That relationship was seriously damaged when the Senator Church and his committee caused techniques and individuals to be revealed to the public, including enemies. Their actions not only seriously hampered our intelligence gathering, but caused a distrust of the US intel agencies, not the individuals but the politicians. It also caused the death and disappearance of a number of our operatives in the field. Subsequent flareups in Congress caused other revelations which have damaged levels of trust. I understand they do share, but because of these other experiences, they are circumspect.


25 posted on 07/12/2014 4:39:30 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: jmacusa

IMO, it is only a matter of time when Germany, which is already the dominate power in EU, turns it into the EG - the European states of Germany. They are brilliant in the steady turning of that massive mass of BS called the EU into, what I believe is their goal, that is, one similar to Hitler’s but without bloodshed - a dominate world power.It is in their DNA!

I have only received shrugged shoulders when I have said this for the past 10 years.


26 posted on 07/12/2014 4:49:50 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: MUDDOG

LOL!


27 posted on 07/12/2014 6:06:12 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I hope the Germans throw us out of there country. Let say they give us six months to pack it in and be gone. We have no business being there and our money and troops would be better used on our Southern border. Than we can start closing bases over most of the world and let them all take care of there self. We don't have to spy on the world and they get ride of those nasty Americans. It's all a win win!
28 posted on 07/12/2014 8:35:48 PM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: elpadre
Spying Case Left Obama in Dark, U.S. Officials Say - July 8, 2014
29 posted on 07/12/2014 8:51:35 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Germany is a major industrial power and not the kind of country the fading US can alienate. Germany is much more important in the EU than the UK. Washington is truly drunk with hubris.


30 posted on 07/12/2014 9:31:41 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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