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Reports: Delta Flight to Make Emergency Landing at Israel's Ben Gurion Airport
Twitter Reports | Saturday, July 12, 1014 | Kristinn

Posted on 07/12/2014 4:25:25 PM PDT by kristinn

There are reports on Twitter that Delta Flight 469 is due to make an emergency landing at Israel's Ben Gurion airport. Further reports say the plane has around 360 on board and that the plane has been burning off fuel flying in loops off Israel's coast over the Mediterranean Sea.

Source:

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Over a dozen ambulances waiting for Delta plane to arrive at Ben Gurion Airport within minutes


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bengurionairport; deltafl469

1 posted on 07/12/2014 4:25:26 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

bttt


2 posted on 07/12/2014 4:26:02 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: All

Flight was bound for JFK in New York City.


3 posted on 07/12/2014 4:26:50 PM PDT by kristinn (Welcome to the Soviet States of Obama)
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To: kristinn

Inquiring minds want to know:

Was this a Huma-Clinton-Obama-Petraeus MANPAD?


4 posted on 07/12/2014 4:26:58 PM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT US Congress remains COMPLICIT)
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To: kristinn

Landing gear problem?


5 posted on 07/12/2014 4:27:54 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: kristinn

Loops would not be the word I would use perhaps elongated circles I have been to air shows loops lmao


6 posted on 07/12/2014 4:27:58 PM PDT by al baby (Hi MomÂ…)
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To: kristinn

According to my twitter feed, it was some kind of mechanical malfunction..praying the plane lands safely, right now its burning fuel


7 posted on 07/12/2014 4:28:27 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: All

Reports are that it is a mechanical issue (wheels?), not Gaza-related.


8 posted on 07/12/2014 4:28:29 PM PDT by kristinn (Welcome to the Soviet States of Obama)
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To: al baby

Loops would really settle the passengers...


9 posted on 07/12/2014 4:32:36 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (If Obama hated America and wanted to destroy her, what would he do differently?)
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To: kristinn

LANDED SAFELY THANK GOD!


10 posted on 07/12/2014 4:33:08 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: kristinn

More data from FlightAware.com —
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL469


11 posted on 07/12/2014 4:33:44 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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Seeing reports it has landed safely.


12 posted on 07/12/2014 4:37:02 PM PDT by kristinn (Welcome to the Soviet States of Obama)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Emergency Landing at Ben Gurion Airport

Delta flight #469 with 362 passengers made an emergency landing at Ben Gurion airport at 2:30 AM on Sunday.

The plane, a Boeing 747 flying from Ben Gurion to JFK, declared the emergency shortly after takeoff, and circled over the ocean for over an hour before returning back to land in Israel.

The plane landed safely.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/emergency-landing-at-ben-gurion-airport/2014/07/13/


13 posted on 07/12/2014 4:38:12 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: kristinn

circling offshore implies they want to burn off fuel, they anticipate a bad landing and want to minimize risk of fire.

My guess is this means they have detected a mechanical problem onboard, one that might complicate a perfect landing.


14 posted on 07/12/2014 4:43:20 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: kristinn

I check out Twitter


15 posted on 07/12/2014 4:47:18 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: gaijin

In that case, one would think that they’d try for Europe - preferably France, since Air France is a partner, and Paris is their European hub.


16 posted on 07/12/2014 4:51:17 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Rennes Templar

Yes it would,flat in their seats.


17 posted on 07/12/2014 4:53:01 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

This would be my luck! Heading back from a leisurely vacation and have mechanical malfunctions that would force the plane to land at Ben Gurion where Hamas is lobbing rockets and Israel is on the verge of war.

(I only make light of the situation because the plane is safely on the ground.)


18 posted on 07/12/2014 4:55:27 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie

We only take El Al to Israel..one way, no need to stop(This is from Los Angeles to Tel Aviv) its the only way my family flies to Israel..El Al flights have had mechanical issues in the past, it happens..Thank God the plane landed safely and everyone is OK..must have been a scary experience


19 posted on 07/12/2014 5:06:12 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: gaijin

is it that or to get the plane down to landing weight?


20 posted on 07/12/2014 5:12:06 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Arab Spring is over. Welcome to the Jihadi Spring." Jonah Goldberg)
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To: kristinn

Wow...glad it got down safely.
That’s the same flight my wife and I were on last March when we visited Israel for a week.


21 posted on 07/12/2014 5:24:35 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: NonValueAdded

The ‘loops’ are known as holding patterns. The jet is just circling around as it dumps fuel to get down to landing weight.


22 posted on 07/12/2014 6:17:19 PM PDT by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: NonValueAdded
is it that or to get the plane down to landing weight?

The Boeing 747-400 Max Landing weight (652,000 lbs) is a good bit less than the Max take-Off weight (875,000 lbs).

Aircraft without provisions for dumping fuel have to circle until they burn enough to get down to Max Landing weight.

Otherwise, things like landing gear, etc. have a good chance of breaking upon landing. Having all that extra fuel in the case of fire in also not a great idea.

23 posted on 07/12/2014 6:20:04 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: gaijin

What? No fuel dump button? I don’t think so. But I’m not a civilian aviation expert.


24 posted on 07/12/2014 6:26:57 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: gaijin

My father once lost 2 engines leaving Narita and dumped tens of thousands of gallons into the sea(evaporated) in order to get light enough to land.

If you declare an emergency you dump it fast.

Glad these guys had time to land safely.


25 posted on 07/12/2014 6:39:31 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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To: gaijin

My father once lost 2 engines leaving Narita and dumped tens of thousands of gallons into the sea(evaporated) in order to get light enough to land.

If you declare an emergency you dump it fast.

Glad these guys had time to land safely.


26 posted on 07/12/2014 6:39:31 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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To: gaijin
circling offshore implies they want to burn off fuel, they anticipate a bad landing and want to minimize risk of fire.

That may be the ultimate purpose for dumping fuel, but the most immediate concern is that every international long distance flight which takes off is too heavy to land safely, aside from the fire issue.
Max takeoff weight vs max landing weight structural failure/landing gear collapse on touchdown.

27 posted on 07/12/2014 6:44:08 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: PAR35

Landing gear trouble after takeoff can lead to disaster so turning back is the prudent choice. A locked wheel can heat the tires to ignition; that happened to a Nationair flight out of Jeddah and all souls were lost.


28 posted on 07/12/2014 6:55:01 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Lacrosse- Canada's national sport, like hockey only violent)
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To: Squawk 8888

Good point about a wheel well fire, but the loss of that plane can be credited to third world nationals in the control tower that didn’t even know which plane was in trouble.


29 posted on 07/12/2014 7:07:07 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Actually it was caused by an under-inflated tire. The investigators uncovered proof that the guy who checked the pressures altered the inspection report because he couldn’t be bothered with putting in more air.


30 posted on 07/12/2014 7:10:03 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Lacrosse- Canada's national sport, like hockey only violent)
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To: Squawk 8888

Yes, but if the Saudi air traffic controllers had their act together, there would have been a petty good chance of getting the plane down before the passengers cooked.


31 posted on 07/12/2014 7:25:41 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35
I'll take your word for it; I never checked that out. The doc I saw about the investigation focused on the forensic work by the TSBC. Best thing about FR lurking is how much we get to learn :)
32 posted on 07/12/2014 7:47:40 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Lacrosse- Canada's national sport, like hockey only violent)
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To: kristinn

A 744 can dump fuel.
Many airliners cannot, for various reasons.

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/faqs/fueldump.pdf

They may have been trying to correct the problem, or holding for some other reason.

Landing overweight is legal if necessary. The 744 could have landed overweight if it had to.

If you have to land overweight, the airplane is taken out of service for a thorough inspection.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/articles/qtr_3_07/AERO_Q307_article3.pdf


33 posted on 07/12/2014 7:59:48 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: BwanaNdege

The 744 can land at max to weight.


34 posted on 07/12/2014 8:00:30 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

Just to be clear, the 744 is not supposed to land at max to weight, but it is capable of it in an emergency.


35 posted on 07/12/2014 8:06:20 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6
The 744 can land at max to weight.

Boeing doesn't think so.

747-400 performance summary

36 posted on 07/12/2014 8:33:28 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: BwanaNdege

I already covered that. The 747 is capable of landing at max TO weight, you just aren’t supposed to do it unless necessary.

It would be an overweight landing, which is acceptable in an emergency.

All passenger airliners are capable of taking off, having an immediate dire emergency, and turning right around and landing overweight.


37 posted on 07/12/2014 8:42:16 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

Part of the passenger airliner certification process is the ability to land at max TO weight.

The fuel jettison capability of the 747 and most other airliners is due to a go-around and one engine climb requirement, not due to landing weight.

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?rgn=div5;node=14%3A1.0.1.3.11#14:1.0.1.3.11.5.185.39


38 posted on 07/12/2014 8:56:05 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: publius911

“but the most immediate concern is that every international long distance flight which takes off is too heavy to land safely, aside from the fire issue.
Max takeoff weight vs max landing weight structural failure/landing gear collapse on touchdown.”

That is completely incorrect, of course.

We would have no such flight if that were the case.


39 posted on 07/12/2014 8:57:38 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

My understanding was that a plane needed to land at max TO to get certified, but an overweight landing inspection/repair is required if it happens in service, with the possibility that it may need to be scrapped.


40 posted on 07/12/2014 10:28:55 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Lacrosse- Canada's national sport, like hockey only violent)
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To: Squawk 8888

Overweight landings are not that uncommon. They rarely result in anything more than the inspection.

Not only does a passenger airliner have to be able to make a max TO weight landing, it has to be able to reject a max TO weight takeoff. Haul ass at TO thrust to get up in the air, and then slam on the brakes at the last moment before rotation, while fully loaded.

The brakes have to be able to handle both situations.

Look up “rejected takeoff test”.

Landings at max TO weight are extremely rare. It would have to be a dire situation where the pilot had no time to wait at all.

A medical emergency is a common reason to get down quickly without taking time to dump or burn off fuel.

Hard landings while not overweight, and tail strikes, are the most common cause of damage during landing, iirc.


41 posted on 07/13/2014 8:27:50 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_v6tXsv6g


42 posted on 07/13/2014 8:40:31 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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