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'Don't hate the men who killed my husband' Brave widow calls for forgiveness of two men (Barf)
Daily Mail ^ | 7-12-2014 | Snejana Farberov

Posted on 07/12/2014 4:42:32 PM PDT by equalator

Two North Carolina men are facing the death penalty in the murder of a young volunteer firefighter last December - but the victim’s wife says she has already forgiven them.

Jalend Turner, 19, and Khari McClelland, 23, have been charged with first-degree murder for allegedly gunning down 25-year-old Marcus Kauffman during a burglary at his Rowan County home in December 2013.

Kauffman, who served on the Scotch Irish Volunteer Fire Department, was shot in the head and died three weeks later from his injuries at Carolinas Medical Center.

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I've read the Bible enough to know that if someone had killed one of King David's wives, David would have hunted them with a spear and impaled them to a wall. Then he would have written a Psalm about it. God would have blessed him the next spring with a bumper harvest. My point being-- these two losers should be fried. There's nothing wrong with getting angry about things- being passionate. People need to feel a little heat.

1 posted on 07/12/2014 4:42:32 PM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator

I forgive you. But only God can forgive sins. I’ll leave that up to him.


2 posted on 07/12/2014 4:43:47 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Very good answer!


3 posted on 07/12/2014 4:45:41 PM PDT by El Zoro
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To: VerySadAmerican

Very good answer!


4 posted on 07/12/2014 4:45:53 PM PDT by El Zoro
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To: equalator

If I was the prosecutor, I’d tell the cops to do a bit more investigation based on those comments.


5 posted on 07/12/2014 4:47:59 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: equalator

Just trying to share the wealth, man. You know, at some point, you have enough. Besides, you didn’t build this! It does take a village, right?


6 posted on 07/12/2014 4:48:17 PM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: equalator

They chased him to kill him, over a burglary.

“Kauffman was able to dial 911 to report shots fired as he fled the house.
Officers who arrived on the scene a short time later discovered Kauffman with a gunshot wound to the back of the head in his car, which crashed in the woods near a cornfield. The rear window was shot out.”


7 posted on 07/12/2014 4:48:26 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: equalator

R.I.P. Marcus Kauffman. Condolences to his family, his friends.


8 posted on 07/12/2014 4:50:28 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: equalator

I’m quite sure that those two pieces of (purportedly human) garbage are going to be feeling a lot more than just a little heat.


9 posted on 07/12/2014 4:51:07 PM PDT by Bob
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To: equalator

Put the feral scum 6’ deep.


10 posted on 07/12/2014 4:51:23 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: equalator
Officers who arrived on the scene a short time later discovered Kauffman with a gunshot wound to the back of the head in his car, which crashed in the woods near a cornfield. The rear window was shot out.

IOW, they chased down a fleeing man and killed him.

11 posted on 07/12/2014 4:52:40 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

They couldn’t pass up the opportunity to snuff Whitey.


12 posted on 07/12/2014 4:54:34 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: equalator

If the wife would rather forgive than carry the hate, she is right to do so, and the state is right to put the two subhuman mutts to death.


13 posted on 07/12/2014 5:01:20 PM PDT by pallis
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To: equalator

There is absolutely nothing Christian about this kind of forgiveness. Se can do it if she wishes, that’s her right. But nothing in Scripture supports it unless the two thugs truly repent and ask her for it.


14 posted on 07/12/2014 5:04:36 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Sticking by your guns I see.

Good for you.


15 posted on 07/12/2014 5:14:26 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Lurker

“...unless the two thugs truly repent and ask her for it.”

Those two punk-ass n-words will axe forgiveness as the needles are being pushed into their arms. Not until.


16 posted on 07/12/2014 5:18:56 PM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Some folks have a problem understanding the plain language of the Bible. Forgiveness is only required if repentance is truly made and forgiveness sincerely asked for.

These thugs have done neither.


17 posted on 07/12/2014 5:20:10 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: equalator

Ok. Don’t hate them. Just do your duty and make sure they meet justice.


18 posted on 07/12/2014 5:26:43 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

I’m pretty sure I hate them


19 posted on 07/12/2014 5:31:18 PM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator
She just said she forgave them. She said "Don't hate them." She didn't say it's all OK now.

You seem to be reacting quite disgustedly against a Christian who is following both the precepts and the example of Jesus. I never considered Jesus barf-worthy.

20 posted on 07/12/2014 5:33:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God's grace has been revealed, and has made salvation possible for the whole human race. (Titus 2))
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To: VerySadAmerican
I forgive you. But only God can forgive sins. I’ll leave that up to him.

That's why criminal charges are "State vs. _____".

Let the State send them to God.

21 posted on 07/12/2014 5:34:50 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: equalator
I doubt that this forgiveness is an application of simple Christian charity. I often have this doubt in these cases. I suspect that it is a coping mechanism. I suspect it may also be born of fear of the “rage” of the perps. It is the usual white kowtowing and backing down.

I myself have every wish that these two scumbags ask and are given God's forgiveness. I hope they spend eternity in Heaven.

I'd also damn well hang them.

22 posted on 07/12/2014 5:38:22 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’m saying our country is very weak and people are getting very lukewarm. Nobody pushes back. When Jesus comes back, he’s going to knock the Earth out of orbit and kill off about 3/4 of the planet (I know, I read ahead )


23 posted on 07/12/2014 5:38:35 PM PDT by equalator
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To: Lurker
"But nothing in Scripture supports it unless the two thugs truly repent and ask her for it."

This is not true. Jesus forgave people even as they were torturing Him to death, with no indication in the Gospels that they had repented. And Stephen forgave them who were stoning him to death. Again, no indication that they had repented.

This does not mean "Everything's OK" and as Pope Benedict XVI said, "Forgiveness is not a substitute for justice." Even the repentant "thief" who was crucified next to Jesus, said he himself deserved the punishment for what he had done, and he got it. Jesus did not miraculously release this man from his cross, even though he DID repent.

What these two murderers did was deserving of hell. The fact that this good Christian woman forgave them, does not change that.

24 posted on 07/12/2014 5:40:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God's grace has been revealed, and has made salvation possible for the whole human race. (Titus 2))
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To: TalBlack

Exactly. it’s like Stockholm syndrome


25 posted on 07/12/2014 5:40:59 PM PDT by equalator
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To: Lurker

I guess Jesus and Stephen had a problem understanding the plain language of the Bible?


26 posted on 07/12/2014 5:43:07 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Forgiveness is not a substitute for justice." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: equalator

Bookmark


27 posted on 07/12/2014 5:44:19 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

The legal system does not judge a man’s immortal soul. God does that. We merely speed up the introduction at times...


28 posted on 07/12/2014 5:45:47 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: equalator

There should not be confusion between forgiveness and clemency. Forgiveness is within the heart of someone who has been trespassed against; it is their way of liberating themselves from hatred against those who trespassed against them; as well as hoping that those who trespassed will themselves seek salvation.

Clemency should only be given to those who were denied fair justice and judgment. It does not come from the victim, nor should the victim be allowed to mitigate the punishment. For the reason that this trial, conviction and sentences were not done by the victims, but the state acting on their behalf.

While a person was murdered, this was an offense against the state. So it is the state that gives justice and judgment. And it is the state that decides if clemency is warranted.


29 posted on 07/12/2014 5:46:40 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Jesus was a special case as I’m sure you’ll agree. And St. Stephen was free to forgive them as was his right.

But the plain language of the Bible says otherwise. You can look it up for yourself. Absolutely nothing in Scripture requires this kind of blanket forgiveness. Nothing.

It’s not forbidden, but it certainly isn’t required.

L


30 posted on 07/12/2014 5:46:41 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

yes last time I checked, Samson didn’t forgive the philistines. He beat them to death. I’m surprised David didn’t write a Psalm about that


31 posted on 07/12/2014 5:49:22 PM PDT by equalator
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Jesus forgave people even as they were torturing Him to death”

Jesus said “Father forgive them...” he didn’t say “Father, I forgive them.”. A bit of a difference there. Wouldn’t you agree?


32 posted on 07/12/2014 5:51:56 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Yes, the idea they you must forgive everyone is ludicrous. You forgive those that repent and ask for forgiveness.


33 posted on 07/12/2014 5:57:00 PM PDT by heights
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To: Lurker

You are correct but “love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you” means that it is really up to the individual to decide what love to them means. Forgiveness can be just as much for the victim as the perps and it prevent the victim them from being overtaken by bitterness and anger. If while we were yet sinners Christ died for us then certainly she is following that example if she chooses forgiveness above hate. As for those two they better get on their knees because her forgiveness will not buy them the forgiveness they really need!


34 posted on 07/12/2014 6:04:42 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: equalator

I watch a lot of ID TV and some of the victim’s families say that the Bible says to forgive the murderers and so they shouldn’t receive the death sentence. I don’t understand that; to me, you can forgive someone of a horrible crime but that doesn’t mean they don’t have to pay.


35 posted on 07/12/2014 6:08:16 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: equalator

Please quit posting material from Daily Mail in the main forum. It’s mostly tabloid crap that belongs in chat.


36 posted on 07/12/2014 6:18:35 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: equalator

I remember this case.

What this woman says makes a good example of why the state, representing all the people, prosecutes crime - not just the individuals affected.

I doubt Jesus has had to forgive this woman for shooting a man in the back.

And I most certainly agree that there can be NO forgiveness without repentance. The love of God isn’t some big “get out of jail free” card.


37 posted on 07/12/2014 6:27:17 PM PDT by jocon307 (These people are (some Polish word) crazy)
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To: PAR35

You noticed that, too ?


38 posted on 07/12/2014 7:06:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Lurker

“Jesus said “Father forgive them...” he didn’t say “Father, I forgive them.”. A bit of a difference there. Wouldn’t you agree?”

Subtle, but crucial.


39 posted on 07/12/2014 7:27:55 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: TalBlack

“I myself have every wish that these two scumbags ask and are given God’s forgiveness. I hope they spend eternity in Heaven. I’d also damn well hang them.”

Careful. Common sense is in short supply; we’d best economize it.


40 posted on 07/12/2014 7:30:57 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“You seem to be reacting quite disgustedly against a Christian who is following both the precepts and the example of Jesus. I never considered Jesus barf-worthy.”

There seems to be an assumption that if she forgives them, then she doesn’t want them punished. Not necessarily true.


41 posted on 07/12/2014 7:32:56 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: beelzepug

Let’s hope the needles get pushed into their arms.


42 posted on 07/12/2014 7:34:26 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Admin Moderator

The Daily Mail is tabloid crap? I can’t post Infowars- you’re tying my hands. ha


43 posted on 07/12/2014 7:36:52 PM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator

It’s appropriate to forgive them, then execute them.


44 posted on 07/12/2014 7:40:04 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: equalator

forgiveness is one thing, Making sure these folks never kill again is a responsibility.


45 posted on 07/12/2014 8:04:53 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: equalator
Read Genesis Chapter 9 verse 6
46 posted on 07/12/2014 8:08:45 PM PDT by sport
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To: PAR35

Agree. Brave is not the adjective I’m thinking of for this woman.


47 posted on 07/12/2014 10:05:24 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: equalator
I've read the Bible enough to know that if someone had killed one of King David's wives, David would have hunted them with a spear and impaled them to a wall. Then he would have written a Psalm about it. God would have blessed him the next spring with a bumper harvest. My point being-- these two losers should be fried. There's nothing wrong with getting angry about things- being passionate. People need to feel a little heat.

Forgiveness, at the Human level, is often a cathartic for the person doing the forgiving. Better to forgive and get on with your life than allow the bile of hate to eat at your soul. King David aside - if she were to hunt them down and kill them, God may or may not bless her, but she would pay a worse legal penalty than them. Kind of funny how so many who have probably never actually done any serious retribution/vengeance are so quick to exhort others to it. They also use the Bible to justify non-Christian thoughts/actions.

48 posted on 07/13/2014 3:40:03 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Being able to forgive is her God given right, but that does NOT EXEMPT them from the criminal laws they broke.

Ashley ‘Nikki’ Read, 2 juries decided that the Death Penalty was the correct punishment for the RAPE and MURDER of this 8 year old.. ALL APPEALS have run out. Justice delayed is Justice DENIED!

TN Gov email is bill.haslam@tn.gov
615 741-2001

David Keen
David Keen
http://murderpedia.org/male.K/k/keen-david.htm

This CHILD RAPIST HAS RUN OUT OF ALL 20 YRS OF APPEALS, TN GOV Halsam still has NOT SET AN EXECUTION DATE OR SIGNED A DEATH WARRANT, EMAIL HIM TO DO SO bill.haslam@tn.gov 615 741-2001 Phone calls are more effective.

This is 20 years of appeals. 24 YRS SINCE THE CRIME. TOOK ONLY THE DNA TO PROVE WHO DID IT, #1 SUSPECT. DNA & confession proved he raped, strangled to death with her OWN SHOE LACES 8 year old Ashley ‘Nicki’ Read and then threw her body in the river. Even helped hunt for what was thought to be a missing child. Nikki had water in her lungs, which means she was till somewhat alive when he threw her battered body in the river.


49 posted on 07/13/2014 4:49:07 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: trebb

remember the priest who ran a spear into the couple as Moses watched? A man was bringing a foreign woman into his tent and the priest ran them through and God said he was the only person who did rightly. Interesting story. At His trial, Jesus was beaten on the cheek and He didn’t turn the other one so obviously it is figurative I can go on and on


50 posted on 07/13/2014 5:54:47 AM PDT by equalator
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