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Widow of man shot in theater ‘for texting’ hits out at judge after ‘shooter’ released
UK DailyMail online ^ | 11 July 2014 | By ALEX GREIG and SNEJANA FARBEROV

Posted on 07/13/2014 10:21:09 AM PDT by Albion Wilde

Bail was set at $150,000 for the release of Curtis Reeves, 71, accused of second-degree murder in the shooting death of Chad Oulson, 43

Appeals court ruled that a district judge may have made an error by failing to set bail for Reeves

Reeves shot and killed Oulson at a movie theater in January after a dispute over text messaging

The former police captain must stay home, wear an ankle monitor, surrender his guns and avoid contact with victim's widow

'We are flooded, we are devastated,' said lawyer representing Nicole Oulson after news of Reeves' impending release

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: cop; curtisreeves; donutwatch; floridashooter; nicoleoulson; oulson; police; reeves; shooter; texting; theatershooter
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Shortened title for search purposes. Original title: "Widow of man shot dead in movie theater 'for texting' hits out at judge after retired Florida police captain 'shooter' is released to house arrest"

They loooove long titles in UK.

That poor widow having to share a hometown with this hothead powermad individual who injured her permanently and slayed her husband. Her poor daughter, without a daddy to grow up with. And now the ranks close around the guy who pulled the trigger over "feeling dissed." Lord, have mercy.

1 posted on 07/13/2014 10:21:09 AM PDT by Albion Wilde
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To: Uncle Chip; dirtboy; sport; Anton.Rutter; kiryandil; trisham; MD Expat in PA; clintonh8r; ...

Ping to the thread.


2 posted on 07/13/2014 10:22:14 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Albion Wilde

The fix has now been put in place.


3 posted on 07/13/2014 10:26:30 AM PDT by sport
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To: Albion Wilde

Hopefully, he’ll do the right thing and off himself.


4 posted on 07/13/2014 10:28:05 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Albion Wilde
It's GOOD to be a King's Man.

Or a retired King's Man. Or "K-9 officer". Or a retired "K-9 officer".

Being a peasant, or a peasant's dog? Not so much...

5 posted on 07/13/2014 10:31:52 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Albion Wilde

Down in the article it reads:

‘We are floored, we are devastated,’ he added.

not as in the caption excerpted:

‘We are flooded, we are devastated,’ said lawyer representing Nicole Oulson after news of Reeves’ impending release


6 posted on 07/13/2014 10:32:53 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Albion Wilde
When the peasants in the grocery store see him coming, they'd best stop texting and assume the proper position to address a King's Man.

On their belly, with their face on the floor, hands behind their back...

7 posted on 07/13/2014 10:33:58 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Texas Fossil; Albion Wilde
Yeah, The Daily Mail can be somewhat sloppy.

It's a price I'm willing to pay to get the real news...

8 posted on 07/13/2014 10:37:04 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Texas Fossil
Down in the article it reads: ‘We are floored, we are devastated,’ he added.
not as in the caption excerpted: ‘We are flooded, we are devastated,’

Typical lousy proofreading at DailyMail. I think their editorial staff has been outsourced to India. /sarc

Their reader comment section lists complaints about their editing in a huge percentage of articles. But they just slam them online without a care, in the birthplace of the English language.

9 posted on 07/13/2014 10:37:48 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: kiryandil
Yeah, The Daily Mail can be somewhat sloppy. It's a price I'm willing to pay to get the real news...

Agreed. And days before our "media" will even bury a story on their back pages.

10 posted on 07/13/2014 10:39:04 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Albion Wilde

Ok. I’ll step in it (please have mercy on me). If a 43 year old confronts a 71 year old after being asked for a perfectly reasonable request to put his F’N cell phone away, why shouldn’t said 71 year old feel threatened with dire physical harm? If the guy wasn’t reasonable when asked, what made the 71 year old think he would be reasonable after standing up and confronting him?


11 posted on 07/13/2014 10:39:12 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Albion Wilde

He should have stayed behind bars — it’s been good for him — he’s lost a lot of weight.

Of course now he will be going to the grocery store everyday — hopefully he will stay out of the popcorn aisle.


12 posted on 07/13/2014 10:39:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Albion Wilde; kiryandil

Yep, they are taking lessons from our MSM.

Corrections on the fly are easy with the web. Proof reading is a non-existent activity today.

And Obozo is destroying our “Rule of Law”.

Another step to the destruction of Western Civilization.


13 posted on 07/13/2014 10:42:27 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Albion Wilde

He’s on bail, house arrest. People need to stop being so dramatic. Bail happens, even in murder trials.


14 posted on 07/13/2014 10:43:54 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: Safetgiver

I’m guessing you’ve never read the full account of what happened. I think you’ll change your mind.


15 posted on 07/13/2014 10:44:44 AM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: Safetgiver

There’s a long way to go before you shoot someone in a crowded theatre.


16 posted on 07/13/2014 10:44:58 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Safetgiver
If a 43 year old confronts a 71 year old after being asked for a perfectly reasonable request to put his F’N cell phone away, why shouldn’t said 71 year old feel threatened with dire physical harm?

I think you have that backwards. It was the 71 year old who confronted the 43 year old and shot him merely for using his cellphone.

17 posted on 07/13/2014 10:45:03 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Safetgiver
How many people does this a-hole ex-cop get to threaten with being injured by errant bullets because he “feared for his life”?
Is Mrs Oulson just legitimate *collateral damage*?

He shot her too, ya know.

18 posted on 07/13/2014 10:45:46 AM PDT by FBD
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To: Safetgiver

A - it wasn’t a perfectly reasonable request the previews hadn’t started yet.
B - telling a busy body to butt out isn’t threat of dire physical harm.


19 posted on 07/13/2014 10:46:14 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: Albion Wilde
Transcripts of jailhouse phone calls between murder suspect Curtis Reeves and his family released in the spring revealed the retired Florida police captain was confident of his acquittal.

If there is any justice at all then he will be badly disappointed.

20 posted on 07/13/2014 10:46:58 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: smokingfrog
smokingfrog said: "Hopefully, he’ll do the right thing and off himself."

Do you think this was some kind of boxing match gone wrong?

How do you rule out the likelihood of a serious physical attack when somebody throws popcorn at you, perhaps in an attempt to blind you temporarily to aid in their attack?

I use copious amounts of salt on my popcorn. How would you like it if I threw salt in your eyes under similar circumstances? How would you determine that the throwing of popcorn would be the end of the attack?

What would a rattle snake do if you approached it and threw popcorn on it? Would it instinctively fight back and possibly cause the death of the attacker? How much more thought is a person required to give to their reaction than a rattle snake?

Does the fact that the person attacking the rattle snake doesn't know that the snake is deadly in any way change the expected outcome?

If this retired cop had been on duty and had been attacked in such a way, what would the cop expect to have happen next? What action should the cop take?

I have grown to distrust the police perhaps as much as anybody I know. That doesn't mean that I expect cops to have to submit to an attack.

21 posted on 07/13/2014 10:49:08 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: null and void; Uncle Chip; DariusBane

Waiting for the badge polishers to show up in force.


22 posted on 07/13/2014 10:49:30 AM PDT by FBD
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To: Safetgiver
Ok. I’ll step in it (please have mercy on me). If a 43 year old confronts a 71 year old after being asked for a perfectly reasonable request to put his F’N cell phone away, why shouldn’t said 71 year old feel threatened with dire physical harm? If the guy wasn’t reasonable when asked, what made the 71 year old think he would be reasonable after standing up and confronting him?

Good thing you were not on the original threads; you would have needed a flame-retardant suit. Let me see if I can summarize:

• The texting was during the previews, not the feature

• The texter was texting his babysitter, not making noise with a game

• The theater was a "no guns" zone

• The alleged shooter got up to complain to management; it is believed that at this point, he went to his car to retrieve his gun

• Seating is not assigned; so he and his wife could have moved seats at any time; instead he returned and forced a confrontation

• It was not his place to try to enforce a "no texting" policy

• Texting is not a lethal or dangerous activity; it is merely an annoyance that could have been solved any number of other ways, even assuming the victim would have continued during the feature, which was not an issue as the shooting took place during the previews

• Witnesses did not hear any loud threats or witness any aggression by the victim other than thrown popcorn; but none of them actually claimed to see the moment it was thrown, or that the victim was the one who threw it

• A married woman came forward to say that she had been intimidated by the alleged shooter in the same theater in the previous month when she tried to mind her own business going to the ladies' room


23 posted on 07/13/2014 10:53:45 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Albion Wilde
A trial date was expected to be set during the hearing, but defense attorneys said they were still in the midst of investigating the state's evidence, including 100 witnesses. Attorneys will meet September 10 to determine a trial date.

There are no 100 witnesses. In other words as long as he is out on bail his attorneys will drag this thing out for as many years as necessary hoping that he dies of old age before he goes back to jail.

If he had stayed in jail then this would go to trial sooner than later.

And of course he will take the plea deal at the very last minute.

24 posted on 07/13/2014 10:54:58 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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They also show Nicole Oulson’s badly injured hand after she was shot trying to deflect the bullet that killed her husband.

Video from the scene appears to show Oulson snatching Reeves’ popcorn off his lap and throwing it at him. Reeves responds instantaneously with a single, fatal gunshot.

I do believe you may be wrong.


25 posted on 07/13/2014 10:56:08 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Uncle Chip
There are no 100 witnesses.

Since this claim is by the defense, they are probably "character" witnesses from the force and his church. Feh.

26 posted on 07/13/2014 10:57:02 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: William Tell

The theater was a “no guns” zone


27 posted on 07/13/2014 10:57:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: discostu

They also show Nicole Oulson’s badly injured hand after she was shot trying to deflect the bullet that killed her husband.

Video from the scene appears to show Oulson snatching Reeves’ popcorn off his lap and throwing it at him. Reeves responds instantaneously with a single, fatal gunshot.

I believe you may be wrong.


28 posted on 07/13/2014 10:58:30 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Safetgiver

You’re insane!

You think like Nancy Pelousey and Cindy Sheehan.
.


29 posted on 07/13/2014 10:59:59 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: William Tell
Two things,
1. Reeves is an EX cop. He wasn't on duty, or in uniform, and he's not entitled to some extra judicial authority as an EX cop.

2. Escalation of force was initiated by the EX cop.
Reeves went out front and complained to the manager, then RETURNED to the theater, and reengaged in the confrontation with Oulson. You don't get to claim fear for your life, after reinserting yourself into harms way. Well, Reeves can try this defense, but if there's any justice left at all in our two tiered “justice”system, the jury will convict Reeves of murder, or at the very least, manslaughter.

30 posted on 07/13/2014 11:00:02 AM PDT by FBD
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To: Safetgiver

So, you are saying that he feared that an unarmed man with both hands in view who had been seated with his petite wife and who was, by the way, a clean-cut former millitary guy of the same race as the alleged shooter (only less physically pumped, judging by the early pictures), was so terrifying that he shot instead of preparing to counter a punch?


31 posted on 07/13/2014 11:00:36 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Safetgiver

Look at post 23. Reeves is a scumbag murder who started the confrontation, sought a gun, and continued the confrontation. And it wasn’t his first dance either. The fact that he irritated the victim enough to get it physical doesn’t excuse cold blooded murder.


32 posted on 07/13/2014 11:00:56 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The theater was a “no guns” zone..And the second amendment says.....?


33 posted on 07/13/2014 11:02:56 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: discostu; Albion Wilde

The purpose of bail is to insure the accused’s appearance at trial; and rarely, (supposedly, but more and more often not) denial to protect the public from a particular and imminent menace.

I see a very disturbing trend in wanting to use it as pretrial punishment, as well as a steady escalation of what constitutes the Constitutionally mandated “reasonable bail”.

It reinforces the erosion of the “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” mandated presumption of innocence within the legal system: not to be confused with personal opinions of members of the public, which carry no legal weight or obligation.


34 posted on 07/13/2014 11:03:15 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Albion Wilde

Yep. Somebody on here has a tagline “ Don’t F’ with an old dude. If he can’t beat you, he’ll kill you. Enough said.


35 posted on 07/13/2014 11:06:06 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Here is the theatre video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G27d9hCjsUE&feature=youtube_gdata_player


36 posted on 07/13/2014 11:07:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Safetgiver
The theater was a “no guns” zone..And the second amendment says.....?

that you have the right to forbid guns on your own property and the theatre did that but the retired cop thought he was special.

37 posted on 07/13/2014 11:10:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Safetgiver; Albion Wilde
If a 43 year old confronts a 71 year old after being asked for a perfectly reasonable request to put his F’N cell phone away, why shouldn’t said 71 year old feel threatened with dire physical harm?

A peasant who conceal-carries is required to bravely run away like Sir Robin in Monty Python's Holy Grail.

If said peasant stays and "confronts", like this retired King's Man did, peasant goes to jail, goes directly to jail, does not pass GO.

Take a concealed carry class. Tell us how many times this is DRILLED into your head.

38 posted on 07/13/2014 11:10:37 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: William Tell

Peasants who concealed carry are required to retreat, unless they want to go to jail.


39 posted on 07/13/2014 11:12:41 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Safetgiver
"Don’t F’ with an old dude. If he can’t beat you, he’ll kill you. Enough said.

Yeah, women, children, Innocent bystanders, whatever, they're all fair game in your book, eh? Nice frame of mind.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs in this country, when everyone around an ex cop who “fears for his life” is considered just collateral damage. The guy's a frigging coward, I don't care how old he is.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/23/article-2544568-1AE792EA00000578-531_634x374.jpg

40 posted on 07/13/2014 11:17:53 AM PDT by FBD
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To: smokingfrog
Hopefully, he’ll do the right thing and off himself.

The bad guy has already been offed.

41 posted on 07/13/2014 11:18:04 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle; smokingfrog

LOL! Now you’re just trolling, Balding. :)


42 posted on 07/13/2014 11:23:11 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Safetgiver

Indeed.

Self-absorbed, easily offended twits demanding the world revolve around them are deeply offended when their selfish behavior is called out. . .


43 posted on 07/13/2014 11:35:31 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: FBD
You don't get to claim fear for your life, after reinserting yourself into harms way.

You have evidence that he was in harm's way before he left his seat to complain to management?

If not, then he wasn't "reinserting" himself into harms way, but at most simply "reinserting" himself into annoyance way.

44 posted on 07/13/2014 11:35:48 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Albion Wilde

Plus she’s probably watching her movies at home now where it doesn’t disturb anyone else.


45 posted on 07/13/2014 11:37:28 AM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Open Borders, pro-terrorist, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

?


46 posted on 07/13/2014 11:41:00 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Hulka

Self-absorbed, easily offended twits demanding the world revolve around them are deeply offended when their selfish behavior is called out. . ..Thank you. Get Off your GD CELL PHONE. You could be my friend.


47 posted on 07/13/2014 11:41:08 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: kiryandil; DariusBane

IIRC the original story correctly, no I’m not trolling, simply restating what I stated back then.

The bad guy is already dead, the good (or at least innocent) guy is in jail.

In a civilized society he would only have been questioned.


48 posted on 07/13/2014 11:45:55 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: morphing libertarian

Let’s see what I’ve learned.

Texting doesn’t bother because it doesn’t make noise.

Throwing popcorn is an act in and of itself and not a precursor to a battery.

A 71 year old guy should be ready to deflect the punch of a younger guy.

It’s ok to disturb people during preview, just not during the regular movie.

Not guilty!


I have dreamt that I would be shot in a theatre for telling someone to be quiet. And then pouring a large soft drink on them when they didn’t.

Still deciding if I will or won’t. Maybe I should just carry into the theatre.


49 posted on 07/13/2014 11:46:28 AM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Open Borders, pro-terrorist, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: Safetgiver

He wasn’t on his cellphone when he was shot.

The old fart cop behind him got rebuffed by management and came back with the intent of picking a fight and when the guy in front of him wouldn’t bite the old fart cop kicked the back of his seat to try to get him to stand up and do something so he could use his gun which he had in his hand the whole time.

That’s your hero — coward to the core.


50 posted on 07/13/2014 11:47:42 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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