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The border crisis isnít Obamaís Katrina Ė itís worse
Hot Air ^ | July 13,2014 | NOAH ROTHMAN

Posted on 07/13/2014 1:32:16 PM PDT by Hojczyk

Cannon recalled how Bush’s critics erupted in indignation when the White House published a photograph of the president surveying the devastation from Air Force One. Entertainers like Michael Moore and Kanye West accused the president of racism and callousness. Bush’s Democratic adversaries in Congress, including then Senator Obama, were no kinder.

In hindsight, little of this seems fair. What Bush saw as he flew over the battered region shocked him. The next day, he publicly pledged $10.5 billion in federal aid, enlisted his father and Bill Clinton to help in recovery efforts, and spoke about the tragedy from the Rose Garden. The next day, he headed down there, where he literally put his arms around shell-shocked survivors, many of them black people. Bush returned again in mid-September and made a nationally televised address from Jackson Square in New Orleans.

When he ran for president, then-Sen. Barack Obama seemed to forget all that. All he cared to recall was the flyover, which is more than he’s done on the Texas border this year.

Bush’s approach to Katrina was criticized by his allies and opponents alike, and some of that criticism was deserved, but he never treated the situation in New Orleans as though it was a political opportunity. That is a grotesque abuse of the public trust, but this seems to be the calculation the president and his advisors made.

“Although Obama probably doesn’t have to go to the border personally to be an effective leader, he may owe George W. Bush an apology,” Cannon concluded.

Like Katrina, Obama’s successors will likely study his response to the situation on the border as a case study in how not to address a crisis. The border disaster is, however, not Obama’s Katrina. The president’s refusal to perform the responsibilities associated with his role as the nation’s chief executive makes this episode far worse.


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1 posted on 07/13/2014 1:32:16 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk
This is more like Obama's Monica.

Every word is subject to interpretation.

2 posted on 07/13/2014 1:34:20 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Hojczyk
The comparison is not fair at all.

President Bush put a DemocRAT, Michael Browne, in charge of FEMA.

If Ubama put a Republican in charge of ICE, and then this happened, you might have a fair comparison.

3 posted on 07/13/2014 1:37:17 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Hojczyk

Even Katrina wasn’t really Bush’s scandal. They were effective in making it out to be his and there was never any push-back.

The DNC machine in Louisiana failed completely to function and left millions of people at the mercy of the storm. The federal entities by and large worked as intended. And the rescue started once it was federalized. Nothing like that happened in the neighboring states because they weren’t run by Nagin and Blanco.

Even in Louisiana, nothing like that has happened in hurricanes since because, again, Nagin Blanco and the DNC weren’t in charge.


4 posted on 07/13/2014 1:39:49 PM PDT by marron
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To: Hojczyk

Bush didn’t create a hurricane and ship violent gang members in to NO.


5 posted on 07/13/2014 1:40:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Hojczyk
Scandals that are ten times worse than Katrina. Which wasn't any kind of scandal.


6 posted on 07/13/2014 1:42:10 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: Hojczyk

The border crisis is worse because it is the effect of a direct dereliction of duty, while Katrina was a dereliction of duty on the part of the Governor of Louisiana, and the Mayor of New Orleans.

Bush did the right thing - waited until his help was requested before acting on Katrina.

Obama, per usual, is doing exactly the wrong thing by refusing to enforce a valid law. His treachery is a plague on the land.


7 posted on 07/13/2014 1:46:12 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: Hojczyk
This won't be Obama's Katrina, because there won't be 24/7 MSM coverage of "Obama's failure".

Besides, it didn't help that Bush refused to defend himself.

8 posted on 07/13/2014 1:48:40 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: Hojczyk

Bush didn’t CAUSE the hurricane. ..


9 posted on 07/13/2014 1:49:42 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: marron; Texas Eagle
Yup, Katrina was a storm created by nature, this is a disaster created and encouraged by Obama and unlike a hurricane was 100% avoidable.
10 posted on 07/13/2014 1:51:16 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Hojczyk

It’s Rick Perry’s Katrina as he watches any Presidential aspirations he might have had blow away in the wind.


11 posted on 07/13/2014 1:52:47 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Hojczyk

Obama is the Chief Executive. He is responsible to the people of The United States. The people of The United States deserve a report from our Chief Executive on this and what he’s doing to help. But, instead, he plays pool and goes to parties. That is irresponsibility never before displayed by an American President. He is displaying a “I don’t give a s**t!” attitude that wouldn’t be tolerated from the fry guy at McDonalds.

There is no possible excuse for his behavior. He begged for this job.....twice. Now, he wants to party instead of work? How in the hell can anyone possibly defend his actions in this matter? Everyone knows he should be fired. If this is supposed to be some kind of challenge from the Democrats, then I say pick up the gauntlet and beat the snot out of them with it. Even the Democrat voters know you’re not supposed to be partying when you’re supposed to be working.


12 posted on 07/13/2014 1:54:47 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Texas Eagle
No, the comparison is even less fair than that.

In the event of a natural disaster the role of the federal government is to provide assistance to the state and local governments. During Katrina the two main idiots in charge of foundering areas were the Governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans. Neither of those two demonstrated any capability to handle the problem. It was not in the President's normal powers to take over those functions without the request of the state and local officials. That handover takes time.

The problem in the RGV is completely the federal government's responsibility. The fact that Texas DPS is running heavily armed riverine craft and helicopters on the border demonstrates that the federal government is failing to do its duty. Having worked for a small organization within DHS, I can say that the leadership in the RGV is failing. The administration is failing. It is failing on purpose. You can't tell me that it isn't cheaper to move a couple hundred BP agents to McAllen on a temporary basis than it is to fly thousands of illegals out. If the problem is immigration judges, then swear in some more and send them down there. One stop shopping. Illegal kid gets caught. Put him in the system, get him checked over for medical problems, take him to the judge, take him to the airport for a chartered airplane ride home.

13 posted on 07/13/2014 1:56:22 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Hojczyk

GWBush didn’t make job postings and hire people to create the hurricane


14 posted on 07/13/2014 1:58:22 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Uncle Chip

These aren’t Oklahomans invading Texas. These are foreign nationals invading one of our states. That’s a federal responsibility. This is Obama’s baby.


15 posted on 07/13/2014 1:59:13 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: sten

GWBush didn’t make job postings and hire people to create the hurricane...Six months before it happened.


16 posted on 07/13/2014 2:00:55 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Hojczyk

Obama is America's 'Katrina'!


17 posted on 07/13/2014 2:05:04 PM PDT by airborne (My heroes don't wear capes - My heroes wear dog tags!)
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To: Hojczyk

Bush, staying away from the ground was, in my opinion, the right thing to do. So many people, police, fire people, emt’s, etc etc have to be solely at the care and well being of the president......N.O. had NONE to spare to baby sit an executive, they were taking care of people who needed care....


18 posted on 07/13/2014 2:05:28 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: airborne

No doubt! Baby Barackdoc is a cat 5 disaster on the whole country.


19 posted on 07/13/2014 2:07:20 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: blueunicorn6
This is Obama’s baby.

And if Obama is not taking care of it and Rick Perry sees it lying along the side of the road, it becomes Rick Perry's baby --

20 posted on 07/13/2014 2:09:26 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Hojczyk

How about the real reason for “0blamo the Useless” not going to the border?... He knows the illegals are fraught with contagious diseases, scabies, and lice. Its OK with him to let that flow everywhere in America except he is not going anywhere near it !!!


21 posted on 07/13/2014 2:15:38 PM PDT by StraightDave (.)
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To: Uncle Chip

It is so easy to make tough statements on a internet board
but a state can’t countermand the fed.
you know it . I am as angry at anyone. I love in Texas.
I would love to get rid of them all
but facts and reality can’t be ignored
there is nothing a state governor can do to stop the feds from doing what that POS BO wants done
nothing
Do you think a gov can order a state guardsman to shoot an illegal or a fed agent?

would you really ask a member of a state gueard to shoot another America?
or an illegal?
If you would shoot either then there are civilian militias down on the border. Take your gun and join them. You’d have as much authority to shoot a federal agent as a member of a state guard


22 posted on 07/13/2014 2:25:28 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: USNBandit

I agree basically with your approach but apply it to all, not just illegal kids. The
real problem we have is that the US/TX southern border is basically the middle of
the Rio Grande river. Once they cross that line they are in the US, state of Texas.

The approach now is to apparently take them in, register them, give them papers to report
at a later date and then turn them loose within the USA. The approach needs to be
changed to where they aren’t turned loose but deported back to the orginal place of
origin. Give them immigration papers with instructions to fill them out, submit
and await their turn.

If we had a border barrier, coast to coast then the process of entering wouldn’t be
that easy for them. Build that barrier and if they can’t get across it then they
can’t easily walk up to someone and turn themselves in. There are a limited number
of legal border crossing locations. Force them to those locations and without
papers turn them around.


23 posted on 07/13/2014 2:26:16 PM PDT by deport
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To: StraightDave

It was not the hurricane…the levy system failed from poor design…Mississippi got killed by the hurricane…

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/natural-disasters/2315076


24 posted on 07/13/2014 2:27:35 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Every “expert” talks as if the American
people are, this time, going to wake up
and start to notice the damage the Left
is doing.

Kimye the electorate knows.

Border crisis, not so much.


25 posted on 07/13/2014 2:28:36 PM PDT by WKTimpco
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To: RWGinger

The Governor of Texas can file a lawsuit against the POTUS.

And he has even threatened to do so —

Has he done it yet???


26 posted on 07/13/2014 2:33:20 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Wait
first you want Perry to order the state guard to interfere with federal actions
and now you want Perry to file a lawsuit?

Really?
What would that accomplish as thousands are streaming in
AND being flown all around the country to every state.
Bo is making sure they are too spread out to be rounded up and sent back

I bet some have been flown to your state
what state are you in?


27 posted on 07/13/2014 2:37:58 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

Rick Perry together with his Senators are in the best position to do something about this and you have the audacity to whine at me for demanding that he get some backbone and do something like the lawsuit that he said he was going to do.

What are you — his mommy???


28 posted on 07/13/2014 2:45:15 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Hojczyk

Government relief efforts, federal and state, after Katrina was the largest most successful relief effort in the history of the world. Why are most people so sorry about that?


29 posted on 07/13/2014 2:46:04 PM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey

I should have said “were the largest,” not was.


30 posted on 07/13/2014 2:47:43 PM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: tsowellfan
this is a disaster created and encouraged by Obama

This is a disaster planned, created and implemented by Obama.

Katrina was a natural disaster, made even worse because thousands of criminals and morons refused to leave NOLA.

31 posted on 07/13/2014 2:52:22 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

Democrats and our attorney general once favored the forcible return of alien minors to their country of origin, but that was when the country was Castro’s Cuba and the horrible condition they fled was communism....

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/071114-708428-eric-holder-deported-alien-minor-elian-gonzalez.htm?ven=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:%20EditorialRss%20%28Editorial%20RSS%29


32 posted on 07/13/2014 2:54:38 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: StraightDave
How about the real reason for “0blamo the Useless” not going to the border?... He knows the illegals are fraught with contagious diseases, scabies, and lice... he is not going anywhere near it !!!

And with his compromised immune system, who can blame him?

33 posted on 07/13/2014 2:59:19 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: ladyjane

Why would you leave if you are criminal? Loot the hell out of it. Ummmm. OK

(then lets blame Jorge Bush on just how stupid we are)


34 posted on 07/13/2014 2:59:51 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: Uncle Chip

You make no sense
what good would a lawsuit do?

and in case you missed it the US Senate is Dem majority so anything my senators could bring up would never see the light of day.
The one good thing for Texas is these illegals are not staying in my state. BO is shipping them all over.

What about your state? What are you and your Gov doing about the illegals being sent there?
Have you called for your Gov to send the state guard to the airport and stop any planes from disgorging illegals?


35 posted on 07/13/2014 3:00:05 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger
what good would a lawsuit do?

Ask Rick Perry -- he said it.

All the legal minds that Perry is surrounded by and he can't figure out a way to challenge an Obama Executive Order that is causing havoc.

And in case you don't know the source of that havoc is south Texas --

He is still governor down there isn't he???

The sludge flowing into our state and all the others is coming from your state -- yours.

So deal with it and go whine at your governor not me or others who point that out to you.

36 posted on 07/13/2014 3:21:11 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: deport
You are correct. The media is fixating on the kids, biut the biggest problem is that the ratios of illegals have shifted to 75% other than Mexican. I personally don't think those numbers are representative of the ratio of total crossing, but that is the ratio of those apprehended.

There are basically 4 types,of illegals caught at the border.

The first is group is Mexicans without a modern track record of illegal crossings. Those people have their prints and data put into an electronic system that has been around for quite a while. They are usually offered "voluntary return" within a few hours of getting caught.

The second is criminal aliens regardless of nationality. They are taken to a detention facility and held until a decision is made on prosecution.

Other than Mexicans is where the problems begin. We aren't allowed to push them back across the bridge into Mexico and currently that means they get a notice to appear, which they won't ever show up for.

The last group is unaccompanied minors. Many of these kids are coming to join their parents who are here illegally. It is not the responsibility of the US to worry about what crimes have been committed against these kids during their journey. It is our responsibility to look after their basic needs until they can be sent back to their country. The faster we do this, the quicker the word get around.

Now the administration is trying to confuse the matter talking about "due process." If due process means an immigration hearing, then instead of spending money on HHS, housing, and flying people all over the country, we should spend money on immigration judges. When you have a process and there is a choke point slowing things down, apply resources to remove the constraint.

37 posted on 07/13/2014 3:37:50 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Uncle Chip

You do understand the border there is NOT just a state border?
right?
I think you can grasp basic facts. It is our national border

so when will your governor sue BO? or call put your state guard to go down to the national border and shoot a federal agent or illegal>
Will you be the first to volunteer?


38 posted on 07/13/2014 3:45:19 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Uncle Chip
"It’s Rick Perry’s Katrina as...."

It is my opinion that thanks to the MSM (including FNC), the meme for the crisis has now become humanitarian rather than illegality. The old routine of if a lie is repeated often enough, it becomes perceived as the truth. Any politician (conservative) who advocates a hard line approach on this issue will be made into a barbarian by the MSM. Just another Alinsky tactic by the left to keep control of the Senate and possibly retake the House.

39 posted on 07/13/2014 3:48:30 PM PDT by buckalfa (Long time caller --- first time listener.)
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To: Texas Eagle

BUSH DIDN’T CAUSE KATRINA!


40 posted on 07/13/2014 4:00:19 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: Texas Eagle
President Bush put a DemocRAT, Michael Browne, in charge of FEMA.

I listen to Michael quite a bit on his Denver radio program. If he is a dem you'd never guess it. Some of the best radio on the air.

41 posted on 07/13/2014 4:05:12 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Uncle Chip

I’m not mistaken that Perry gave the ‘dreamers’ the same tuition as citizens of Texas?


42 posted on 07/13/2014 4:27:16 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Rick Perry stepped in it again on Fox with Brit Hume today. Perry has been asking for the National Guard. Hume asked what he wanted the Guard to do since they don't have arrest powers, or the ability to shoot at them. Perry vapor locked and started talking about optics. Duh. When Perry doesn't even know what he wants to do Guard troops, it makes the request look like a political ploy.

I think the Guard is a good idea. If I was the Governor I would request MPs, supply types, some Lakotas with cameras, and maybe some engineers to throw up some temp barriers to create some tactical (extremely local) choke points. Maybe if we mobilized some JAG corps types who could be sworn in as immigration judges and then process the OTMs for immediate deportation. Between JAG corp and rehiring some retired judges we could probably speed thing a up quite a bit. The objective of this is to not move any illegals out of the area where they were captured other than a jet plane home.

43 posted on 07/13/2014 4:31:29 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Yep, a total media creation.


44 posted on 07/13/2014 4:34:20 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: wiggen

I’m not mistaken that Perry gave the ‘dreamers’ the same tuition as citizens of Texas?

*************

The foot hold has been gained.

Currently, at least 18 states have provisions allowing in-state tution rates for undocumented
students. Fourteen states provide these provisions through state legislation—California,
Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Mexico,
New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Texas, Utah, and Washington. Two states—Oklahoma
and Rhode Island— allow in-state tuition rates to undocumented students through
Board of Regents decisions.

California, Minnesota, New Mexico, Texas and Washington—currently allow undocumented
students to receive state financial aid.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/education/undocumented-student-tuition-state-action.aspx


45 posted on 07/13/2014 4:58:49 PM PDT by deport
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To: MileHi
Is it the same Michael Browne? If so, then that would explain why the 'RATS were comfortable criticizing FEMA's efforts after Katrina.

Maybe they considered him a DINO.

46 posted on 07/13/2014 5:06:14 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

The same. Great show.


47 posted on 07/13/2014 5:13:55 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: RWGinger

That border was part of Texas before it was ever a part of the US — that makes it Perry’s legal and physical responsibility as much as Obama’s.


48 posted on 07/13/2014 5:13:59 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: USNBandit

Yep —

The whole idea is to contain it in south Texas and then export them from there.

That’s why Obama is quickly dispersing this riff raff from Texas to around the country.


49 posted on 07/13/2014 5:16:19 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Texas Eagle; Hojczyk
President Bush put a DemocRAT, Michael Browne, in charge of FEMA.

Excuse me, but I don't think Michael Brown was a Democrat.

My recollection is that he was from Oklahoma, where he ran for office as a Republican.

Wikipedia confirms.

50 posted on 07/13/2014 5:32:57 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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