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Crist says state should review gun laws
AP ^ | July 13, 2014 | MICHAEL J. MISHAK

Posted on 07/13/2014 4:07:49 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

On Thursday, Crist recalled the acquittal of George Zimmerman without using his name, saying "the instigator of an event has no punishment for taking a life. There's something wrong with that."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; crist; florida; secondamendment; selfdefense; zimmerman

1 posted on 07/13/2014 4:07:49 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The problem has been the focus on irrelevant arguments – some of which are actually unsupported by the evidence.

1. ‘George Zimmerman (GZ) racially profiled Trayvon Martin (TM)’ There is no evidence of this.

2. ‘GZ disobeyed an order by the police’ * The civilian dispatcher, Sean Noffke, testified that he did not give GZ an order and, in fact, he, like his fellow dispatchers, are trained not make comments that sound like commands. * Noffke also testified under cross that, as a result of his asking GZ which way TM was going, GZ could have reasonably interpreted this as being asked to follow Martin. * It is also not a crime in Florida to disregard a comment made by a civilian dispatcher.

3. ‘GZ got out of his car’ Not a crime on public property and not negligent either.

4. ‘GZ followed TM’ Again, anyone can follow anyone on a public street unless the followee has obtained a restraining order against the follower and even there, the RS only places time, place, and manner restrictions on the person enjoined.

5. ‘GZ wasn’t really injured’ * Under Florida’s self-defense laws, one doesn’t have to be injured AT ALL to use deadly force * No one is required to refrain from defending himself while another is engaged in or attempting to commit a felony.

6. ‘TM is dead through no fault of his own’ * If you believe that TM assaulted GZ, then he IS dead as a result of his own actions.

7. ‘GZ could have left’ * Under Florida law, there is not a duty to withdraw rather than use deadly force * TM was straddling GZ so how the latter was supposed to leave the scene is unanswered.

8. ‘GZ was armed and TM wasn’t’ * One’s fists can be considered weapons and can result in severe bodily harm or death. * GZ was legally carrying a weapon * There is no requirement under the law that the same weapon be used by the assailant * A homeowner can kill an intruder whether or not he has been threatened * Those that attack cannot feign surprise if they are met with superior firepower.

9. ‘Stand Your Ground!’ * SYG is NOT at issue in this trial. * The defense is a classic self-defense case.

10. ‘Black men NEVER get to use SYG!’ * Wrong http://tinyurl.com/nboht35

11. ‘GZ is a man and TM was a boy!’ * As if ‘boys’ don’t commit murder, rape, and assault everyday in this country.


2 posted on 07/13/2014 4:09:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Right, you effeminate self serving creep . . . let’s just abolish all self defense laws

Disgusting


3 posted on 07/13/2014 4:10:41 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Get rid of "birthright citizenship" Out of room . . . no mas)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What’s he smoking? The instigator got a fatal bullet wound, which he earned.


4 posted on 07/13/2014 4:11:28 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe


Welcome to the dark side of the farce, Mr Crist
5 posted on 07/13/2014 4:11:44 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Crist is appearing more and more desperate.


6 posted on 07/13/2014 4:14:37 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never let the truth get in the way of good propaganda.


7 posted on 07/13/2014 4:16:07 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

No there’s something wrong with you


8 posted on 07/13/2014 4:16:29 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Tailgunner Joe

‘Democratic gubernatorial hopeful Charlie Crist...’

Maybe his freedoms should be reviewed.


9 posted on 07/13/2014 4:17:35 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

> 1. ‘George Zimmerman (GZ) racially profiled Trayvon Martin (TM)’ There is no evidence of this.

And what is wrong with racially profiling someone who looks out of place in a neighborhood where there has been an increase in burglarize espeially when he matches the profile of a particular type that is well inn to engage in said type of behavior? That same type of “discriminatory” behavior keeps police offices alive everyday when they avoid bad situations by making snap decisions about a particular type of person they’ve had bad encounters with before. It’s call experience and the PC crowd don’t like it because it’s based on truth something that liars can’t stand.


10 posted on 07/13/2014 4:21:58 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

> 1. ‘George Zimmerman (GZ) racially profiled Trayvon Martin (TM)’ There is no evidence of this.

And what is wrong with racially profiling someone who looks out of place in a neighborhood where there has been an increase in burglaries especially when he matches the profile of a particular type that is well known to engage in said type of behavior? That same type of “discriminatory” behavior keeps police offices alive everyday when they avoid bad situations by making snap decisions about a particular type of person they’ve had bad encounters with before. It’s call experience and the PC crowd don’t like it because it’s based on truth; something that liars can’t stand.


11 posted on 07/13/2014 4:23:49 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Trayvon Martin photo: George Zimmerman  Trayvon Martin lynching 0_zpsb1499272.jpg
12 posted on 07/13/2014 4:24:04 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Let him know the facts and how you feel about what he has said.

His Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/charliecrist

Email him at
charlie.crist@myflorida.com

Or fax him at
tel# 850 487 0801

Or tweet the twit on Twitter at
https://twitter.com/CharlieCrist


13 posted on 07/13/2014 4:25:44 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: driftdiver

“Crist is appearing more and more desperate.”

Well I don’t know why, RCP has him at +2.0 in their polling average. The way Scott has run things, I think Crist has a good chance of being governor.


14 posted on 07/13/2014 4:27:16 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Charlie you are useless. You are a lawyer. The US Justice system is not about right an wrong as much which side gives the best argument that a jury of peers makes a decision on. My decision on you, Charlie, is you don’t have the moxie or the class to be a Governor of the State of Florida. Goobernatorial would be more apropro.
Freegards
LEX


15 posted on 07/13/2014 4:27:20 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Orangeman panders again !!!


16 posted on 07/13/2014 4:34:53 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Just a little more corrupt, self-serving dishonesty from the Left.


17 posted on 07/13/2014 4:36:36 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Problem is Rick Scott ordered the prosecution of Zimmerman...so Scott is not much better on 2d Amendment

Looks like Third Party Conservative is my vote


18 posted on 07/13/2014 4:38:43 PM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (They are Illegal Aliens...not immigrants)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I hope something very bad happens to people who push this nonsense. And no I don’t feel bad about that. It’s karma.


19 posted on 07/13/2014 4:42:05 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Crist is trying to nail down the anti-Zimmermann vote, which must be the majority in FL now.


20 posted on 07/13/2014 4:44:18 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
And to think that there were actually some on FR that thought this worthless piece of shit was a viable candidate for POTUS.

The flip-flopping idiot is a viable candidate for the dung heap.

Period.

21 posted on 07/13/2014 4:44:18 PM PDT by OldSmaj (obama is a worthless mohametan. Impeach his ass now!)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Is Jebbie for Crist this year?


22 posted on 07/13/2014 4:44:43 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: vette6387

People in FL seem to always produce two poor candidates in the fall.


23 posted on 07/13/2014 4:46:00 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: vette6387

RCP is garbage stat that is meaningless Crap averaging crap polls but thanks for peddling the Dems propaganda here !, The RCP is peddling QU crap. The never accurate But always Dem oversampled QU had the trial lawyer prop Slink ahead on election day Four years ago by 5 points she lost by 1 Did the Orlando Slantinel apologize or QU for the way off PUSH POLL ! No apologizes or explanation this clueless left wing Connecticut third rate college is back with more garbage polling for the FL Dems!


24 posted on 07/13/2014 4:46:27 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: DisorderOnBorder

Brillant plan.

Let Crisp a bagman fir the Skeazy Morgan and Morgan Trial lawyer crooked firm win !

Scott us not that bad ,!

Crisp would be a disaster .


25 posted on 07/13/2014 4:49:11 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Right, you effeminate self serving creep . . . let’s just abolish all self defense laws

Disgusting


I told a liberal gun grabber that he could kiss my azz and then go to hell for even thinking of denying people the means of protecting themselves.


26 posted on 07/13/2014 4:51:42 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: DisorderOnBorder
Gee you just joined and your trolling for he Dems here !,

June 25 2014 and pushing the Dem party third party propaganda line here !!!!

How are things at Morgan and Morgan TROLL ! I knew it was third party trolling season !

27 posted on 07/13/2014 4:53:21 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: vette6387

“The way Scott has run things, I think Crist has a good chance of being governor.”

Cutting taxes & costs?


28 posted on 07/13/2014 4:55:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: vette6387
I think Crist has a good chance of being governor.

Not sure about that...I know several moonbat liberals...

Most will grudgingly say Scott has done a better job than they thought he would...

All of them do not plan to vote for Crist...they know he's a chameleon...they will not vote for Scott and sit home...

Scott needs a strong GOTV plan...

He's a decent Governor, but lousy politician...

29 posted on 07/13/2014 4:57:09 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
5. ‘GZ wasn’t really injured’ * Under Florida’s self-defense laws, one doesn’t have to be injured AT ALL to use deadly force * No one is required to refrain from defending himself while another is engaged in or attempting to commit a felony.

Then what was all that blood on his head ?

30 posted on 07/13/2014 5:04:27 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: piroque

The writer is just saying that it doesn’t matter either way.


31 posted on 07/13/2014 5:05:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Hey Crist..! Does that go for law enforcement also...??

Anyone...ANYONE should have the right to return deadly force with deadly force.. The right to life is one of our basic liberties...

And it also is a "true fact" that Crist is nothing more then a "cheap" politician that would not recognize a fact or even admit to its existence in anyway what-so-ever...

Facts have no place in his scheming political world... His primary concerns are now, and always have been, His own personal self interest....

Crist is a very prime example of the "Orwellian Pig"..!

32 posted on 07/13/2014 5:05:49 PM PDT by unread (Rescind the 17th. Amendment...bring the power BACK to the states...!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Crist should probably be more worried about the hordes of “white Hispanic” illegals flooding the states who will end up committing actual crimes.


33 posted on 07/13/2014 5:09:05 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The Obama Administration: A conspiracy of corruption and incompetence.)
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To: vette6387

Crist’s campaigns as of late have a tendency to fizzle out. He got out to a huge lead over Rubio in the 2010 GOP primary only to switch to Independent when he fell back by ~20 points. He then got out to another lead in the three way race only to lose by a significant amount in the general election.


34 posted on 07/13/2014 5:10:34 PM PDT by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Christ, you were for gun rights as a RINO now as a Marxist you are against them. If Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam was running as the Republican candidate, Adam would wipe the floor with Charlie, but Rick Scott (hated by the media) will still win and Charlie can still do law for Morgan and Obama ...for the Rich Liberals (paraphrasing Morgan and Morgan slogan..for the people. What BS...)


35 posted on 07/13/2014 5:16:05 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

As Rush learned a while back when he was on Monday Night Football - which is there absolutely NOTHING a conservative can say about race without getting tarred and feathered, no matter how true it might be.

For Dems, they would do MUCH BETTER keeping quiet about guns and self-defense, rather than trying to finesse the issue. In this case, I don’t know what Crist is trying to prove by siding with Travon, but it won’t help him out with the white vote, that’s for sure.


36 posted on 07/13/2014 5:26:19 PM PDT by BobL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
8. GZ was armed and TM wasn't

TM was trying to grab GZ's gun. A few more seconds and GZ would have been dead from a shot fired from his own gun. Of course the media incessantly referred to TM as "unarmed."

37 posted on 07/13/2014 7:54:48 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ncalburt

“RCP is garbage stat that is meaningless Crap averaging crap polls but thanks for peddling the Dems propaganda here !, “

That’s an unfair and untrue statement. RCP may be “meaningless crap” to you, but they simply average the results of a number of polls which should show some greater stability. I was simply noting that Scott wasn’t a runaway for re-election. I surely hope you are correct and that Scott will win re-election since Crist is sim a person absent any moral character, and it should bother you ( I know it does me) that people in Florida would give him anything like a close race. I guess, since this is a conservative outlet, I fail to see how I’m “peddling RAT propaganda,” because it would fall on deaf ears here.


38 posted on 07/13/2014 8:00:27 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And re: your #11, recall too that GZ is a 5’ 9”(?) ~170lb man, while TM was a 6’ 2”, ~180lb “boy” (that number is based on the cops estimate, which they entered into the report at the time). Zimmerman had lost a lot of weight, and was fairly out of shape and still pretty doughy, while TM had recently left the football squad at his school, and was in prime physical condition.


39 posted on 07/13/2014 8:12:36 PM PDT by Little Pig
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To: Theodore R.

Not by a long shot. But, the marijuana on the ballot is to get out his “marginal” voters, and that is whom this “appeal” of BS is directed toward.

No one rational, having seen the lengths to which the prosecutor tried to hang Zimmerman.... no one believes he did not act in self defense. TM was beating his head into the concrete, and was a gang banger cough syrup/synthetic codeine freak.

Zimmerman— guilty of being too eager in his neighborhood watch volunteerism.

Crist is the darling of only the most desperate dems— who know this is one shyster of an opportunist— and... a queer.


40 posted on 07/13/2014 8:59:43 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: DisorderOnBorder

Oh that’s brilliant analysis. Severe, highly expensive justice was delivered in this case, as great State expense. And the public knows Zimmerman was in the right. Crist is a pimp. No way are state gun laws going to be changed. They will be ignored, if so.


41 posted on 07/13/2014 9:02:12 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: ncalburt

Indeed. Crist is acting on his own internal polling with this out of touch wrong gambit in an off year election. The dopers will not match with the indignant race baiters for turnout.


42 posted on 07/13/2014 9:04:22 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: driftdiver

““The way Scott has run things, I think Crist has a good chance of being governor.”

Cutting taxes & costs?”

His handling of the Travon/Zimmerman thing wasn’t good at all. That “prosecutor” he put on the job was a travesty as was the judge. I wrote to him about it and got some staffer with a non-responsive answer to my questions.
As another poster put it, “He’s a better governor than he is politician,” which is better than the reverse, but he’s seemingly hurt himself with the voters.


43 posted on 07/13/2014 9:05:35 PM PDT by vette6387
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