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Dr. Ben Carson Has a Proposal for Elections That Would Force People to Know Whom They’re Voting For
IJ Review ^ | 7-12-14 | By Justen Charters

Posted on 07/13/2014 4:41:07 PM PDT by kingattax

Since his breakthrough speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, Dr. Ben Carson has been in the political spotlight.

In this video, Carson answers the question: Are you a Republican? What might surprise you is that Carson is not a Republican, he is an Independent.

(Excerpt) Read more at ijreview.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: carson; election; vote

1 posted on 07/13/2014 4:41:07 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

“What might surprise you is that Carson is not a Republican, he is an Independent.”

Not really. Who wants to be associated with the GOP?


2 posted on 07/13/2014 4:47:08 PM PDT by Politicalkiddo (The more helpless the victim, the more hideous the assault.)
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To: Politicalkiddo

Fine with me, both parties suck anyway.


3 posted on 07/13/2014 4:52:36 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes mandatory ... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Politicalkiddo

He’s also anti-second amendment. Sadly.


4 posted on 07/13/2014 5:08:40 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: kingattax

“I actually would favor a voting system, in which there were no political designations on the ballot, where you actually had to know what the person believed. You had to know how they voted in the past.”

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Some states and localities handle ballots this way already. Democrats would probably endorse nationally since it is their brand that is fading but I don’t necessarily think it will make races less partisan to leave out party information.


5 posted on 07/13/2014 5:20:49 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: kingattax
What might surprise you is that Carson is not a Republican, he is an Independent.

Doesn't surprise me...it validates what I've felt about him for a long time.

He wishes to be known as Independent for the same reasons most Independents are such...so that they may vacillate on issues and run middle of the road without standing to either side.

Doesn't really worry me, though, as I don't think he'll run anyway.

He seems to be of the Fred Thompson school of candidacy, in other words, if you show him that you love him enough, he'll consider running.

And, if he throws his hat in the ring, after being convinced by the mostly white republican establishment that he is indeed, truly loved, he'll have it thrown right back with a note pinned to it calling him an Uncle Tom and worse.

He is in a precarious position and I would not wish that type of pressure on a black man in today's political arena.

If he were a serious candidate, it would be much more complicated than obama...who was truly a "token". Dr. Carson is not a "token", although there are those of his own race that will vilify him and call him just that.

Dr. Carson would be treated badly, very badly, and his "Independent" standing would not benefit him.

On a personal level, I think a lot of him and his espousal of how some things should be done.

In fact, I would seriously consider voting for him, in spite of his so-called "Independent" callings and how I feel about that.

But so far, it's just been words.

Time will tell.

6 posted on 07/13/2014 5:21:02 PM PDT by OldSmaj (obama is a worthless mohametan. Impeach his ass now!)
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To: kingattax
“What might surprise you is that Carson is not a Republican, he is an Independent.”

I would be embarrassed to be a Republican now. Not as embarrassed as I wold to be a Democrat, but embarrassed nonetheless.

7 posted on 07/13/2014 5:21:34 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: PhiloBedo

Yeah.


8 posted on 07/13/2014 5:22:31 PM PDT by Politicalkiddo (The more helpless the victim, the more hideous the assault.)
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To: Politicalkiddo

Ben Carson and I have the same party ... Independent.


9 posted on 07/13/2014 5:23:13 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Politicalkiddo

Sorry, all open voting would do is make people learn the name before entering the voter box. Neither the Republican candidate, nor the Democrat candidate is going to forego party alliance. Party alliance simply means too much at election time.


10 posted on 07/13/2014 5:26:56 PM PDT by Eva
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To: kingattax
You had to know how they voted in the past.

If Carson decides to run, how would we know what he stands for, never having voted in the past.

11 posted on 07/13/2014 5:28:35 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Eva

I just commented on his party choice. I didn’t say anything about the open voting thing.


12 posted on 07/13/2014 5:29:23 PM PDT by Politicalkiddo (The more helpless the victim, the more hideous the assault.)
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To: Eva

I have become so cynical...maybe MOST people wouldn’t vote by party...but they would vote for who is the best looking.


13 posted on 07/13/2014 5:57:30 PM PDT by berdie
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To: erlayman

I believe that Mississippi tried this no labels thing, but was sued by DemonRats because they feared the affirmative action crowd wouldn’t know who to vote for without the D by the candidate’s name.


14 posted on 07/13/2014 5:59:48 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: kingattax

He has conservative values. That’s all I need to know.

He would be better than anyone running from the liberal side.


15 posted on 07/13/2014 7:25:49 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: kingattax

In a way, no party affiliation would be worse. In the absence of the handy key to voting, most Low-Information Voters would simply vote for whoever was at the top of the ballot. The Dems would simply jigger the ballot order to be sure their guy was always at the top, and their numbers would probably be even higher than they are now.


16 posted on 07/13/2014 7:59:41 PM PDT by Little Pig
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To: kingattax

Stupid idea.

Who decides if you know enough to vote? Who decides which question is asked? Who decides if you answer the questions “correctly”?

This gives whoever is in charge of elections a massive amount of unregulated power.

I’m not for ceding power to make my own decisions to nameless “others” in the government, and no other thinking adult should be, either.

Of course, this is a guy who doesn’t want some people to be allowed to own guns based on where they live, so I don’t expect much from him.


17 posted on 07/13/2014 9:45:20 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: ExCTCitizen

I am as well. And having that label on the ballot might even help him win points among voters who are leaving the parties.


18 posted on 07/13/2014 11:59:29 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: mountainbunny

Dr Carson is proposing the idea of removing a candidate’s party affiliation from the ballot to prevent voters oblivious to the world around them from voting on a straight party-line basis for ANY political party. Which will in turn hopefully encourage them to further look into important issues facing their state and nation. It has been tried on the municipal level in a few states and I have never heard the complaint of order discrimination by name. Whether communities will in practice educate themselves as an act of participatory democracy (not test, obviously) as he is assuming on the most basic level is the real question.


19 posted on 07/14/2014 4:14:40 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: kingattax
What might surprise you is that Carson is not a Republican, he is an Independent

And a dozens of 'Carson for President' supporters just had their hearts broken.

20 posted on 07/14/2014 4:31:39 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: deweyfrank
He would be better than anyone running from the liberal side.

You set the bar pretty low. How do you know he would be better than anyone on the conservative side?

21 posted on 07/14/2014 4:34:01 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

I don’t know. I do believe he is better than anyone on the liberal side. He has, from what I see so far, good conservative values. Even better than some on the conservative side. But time will tell.

He is not a politician. And I think that is a plus because, right now, I think most all politicians suck.


22 posted on 07/14/2014 5:47:33 AM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: erlayman
Apparently, you lack reading comprehension, or are ignoring parts of his statement because they are unsupportable. Ben Carson said:

“I actually would favor a voting system, in which there were no political designations on the ballot, where you actually had to know what the person believed. You had to know how they voted in the past.”

That second part, which you specifically ignored, would, by definition, require a test at the polls. Please explain why you support a test at the polls.

You wrote:

Dr Carson is proposing the idea of removing a candidate’s party affiliation from the ballot to prevent voters oblivious to the world around them from voting on a straight party-line basis for ANY political party. Which will in turn hopefully encourage them to further look into important issues facing their state and nation. It has been tried on the municipal level in a few states and I have never heard the complaint of order discrimination by name. Whether communities will in practice educate themselves as an act of participatory democracy (not test, obviously) as he is assuming on the most basic level is the real question.

23 posted on 07/14/2014 12:06:37 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: mountainbunny

There is no way to literally force citizens to know what is on a candidate platform. Hell, the candidates themselves have enough trouble making their own positions clear. He is simply promoting the reform as one in which voters will take the opportunity to better identify where they and the candidates identify on the ideological spectrum so that a more democratic and more transparent process ensues.

I also believe that voting should be a process whereby the candidates themselves are the people to which we elect, not the banner under which they run but the banner should at least be acknowledged on the ballot, as they are the organization that backed the candidate and got them to where they are. :)


24 posted on 07/14/2014 1:20:04 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: erlayman
There is no way to literally force citizens to know what is on a candidate platform.

Yes, there is a way to literally force citizens to know what is on a candidate's platform. A test at the polls. It is a horrendous idea, one that has been tried before. It seems to be exactly what Ben Carson is suggesting:

He said: “I actually would favor a voting system, in which there were no political designations on the ballot, where you actually had to know what the person believed. You had to know how they voted in the past.”".

Just taking away the candidate's affiliation doesn't magically tell you how they voted. The way to accomplish what he's calling for, where you "have to know", his words, is a poll test.

None of this is surprising. Ben Carson also believes that the Second Amendment is a regional, not universal right: Asked by Glenn Beck for his thoughts on the Second Amendment, Mr. Carson said:

"It depends on where you live. I think if you live in the midst of a lot of people, and I'm afraid that that semi-automatic weapon is going to fall into the hands of a crazy person, I would rather you not have it," Carson elaborated. However, if you live "out in the country somewhere by yourself" and want to own a semi-automatic weapon, he added, "I've no problem with that."p

25 posted on 07/14/2014 2:20:11 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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