Skip to comments.UKRAINE: Confessions of a separatist "DNR has lost the battle for people's minds
Posted on 07/13/2014 6:53:11 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
BING TRANSLATION: Dmitry-hard downed fellow with kind eyes. Was at Antimajdane, from the first day of DNI in Kramatorsk. Now disillusioned with the Republic, and the local people. So the arrival of Ukrainian military was welcomed with relief. Our military reciprocate. Recently the Dima for the National Guard patrol stopped. Says: have apologised three times, five times said "please". And I get a call from Russia with the words: "you haven't killed him? Well, you're in the DNI was ". Everyone is waiting to see when Nacgvardiâ comes and kills me. Yes, they would kill me. Plant can. But the meaning? And if you kill, then all. Because DND had very many. "
For that people went to the square of Donbass: initially against the new Kiev authorities or against local capitalists?
Of course, Square was outrage. There people were allegedly on behalf of the whole country, but no one asked our opinion.
And you made in 2010, when voted for Yanukovych.
While Independence was jumping, invaded the building, we worked here.
And Kiev continued to work. And refused to pay taxes in the overall budget.
Ok. I'll say this: we probably like to express your opinion-we don't want in the European Union. I, for one, read the Association Agreement. Did it back when the town was at the Mariinsky Park from the party of regions.
The Aga. And how many still being paid on Antimajdane?
I was in the Office. A terrible thing-captain. As we call was: call you at 7 pm and the show is tomorrow at lunch we leave. Sit down on the phone and the obzvanivae′ people. Paid from 200 to 350 UAH per day. Always floating amount was.
Four trips I have typed. But the last time I refused. I always was a man of ideas, but now disappointed in everything. So I just help people: take retirement benefits water raspredelâû humanitarian assistance-just yesterday took 250 kg "gumanitarki" from Krasnoarmeysk. DNI is probably was my last illusion. And at first were good slogans.
DND is an excellent idea at its core. But the people themselves and SP. ..Lee. And the militia including. Wrong they were behaving politically. The idea of federalization, as to me, right. All the major powers-Federation.
So, only the Federation made a bottom-up, rather than crushing a unitary country.
So be it. But why, after the coup d ' état any leader since Kiev for us has not arrived? Just reassured the people. Because no one here supports Yanukovych. And what Donbas became the region's endowment came up with Yanukovych. He pitched the "grants" to take them in his pocket. And on paper we are the Endowment area. But how is this possible when our businesses work around the world!?!
Have you been on Lenin square, where buildings of Kramatorsk City Council tore Ukrainian flag?
Looked at it all.
I can't say so. I then realized that this project will NOT be the future. Because I saw who DUMPED this flag. It is clear that the organizers are prepared. Gathered crowd, played on people's feelings. But in the crowd and drunken stood, and inadequate-addicts in General. And in General: military intervention in the State is always a destruction.
And when they came to our new leaders, they asked all the old managers leave. I asked or find them adequate replacement, or return them. Because it's really were professionals. Not listened to me. And when I began to be indignant about the excesses of the militia is to me stopped talking. And I created a public organization and was involved in the removal of refugees. I had a relationship with Donetsk: could call to find out. And I have a very long shot, but when our pensioners will be given a pension. And then it was all looted.
That is, the money allocated?
And by whom?
DND headquarters in Donetsk. Cash were brought here, and in the last days of the NPT some money people still got. Probably this is the hryvnia, which has stopped going to the Crimea, but the papers remain. And people 150 received through the "children 's", and 200-250 retirees. This is negligible. And doled out by one and a half thousand, and the rest is "later". And the money didn't give out, probably removed.
We have had a Crisis Council Antimonopoly Committee. While I was sending people out of the city. Basically, in the Crimea. Now there's probably nobody will. Because our people behaved extremely ugly. Come to the boarding house, they were settled. They said: "you live for free, do you eat. Let's play a little bit. Maybe the fence there let's paint ". In response, "Yes you sho-I am a refugee. I go to the disco. And where is my air conditioner? Why is far from the sea? ". I'm not lying, so it was. So we called crimeans with the words: "We are shocked by your refugees. Sorry, but this is not the refugees. These are people who go to a three-month ". Vnučok or 23 years of age, in which the grandmother is, or a MOM who ran to seek their destiny in the Crimea, and children throwing on educators in the camps. So I now have all disappointed. You people, like, help, and it never should be. All very sad. Lost country, but the people themselves and lost. Example: gone are the militias of the Executive Committee. And the same people who yesterday there applauded DND personnel themselves today, the entire warehouse products. Not afraid, no mines, no nothing! Broke, broke. ...
People were kidnapped, why car dealers why smashed?
Bespredel′ŝiki. Do you think I support now DNI? In bud, Yes. Like to change. So then I started doing it anti-advertising-when they came on the market with guns with the words: "Now you protect us". Disrespectful to any pieces of paper with the accounts. Who you are, what you want? It was the desire to just "knock down" with people's money.
The militia went only on foreign cars, jeep-like them.
And the fact that they fired from the city limits, it is a crime. They started to attack the positions of Ukrainian troops at five in the evening, when people went to work. Many factories were purposely sat there in bomb shelters to take in eight. But what the militias responded with Karachun opens, it unequivocally.
Who sent mine to kindergarten "Katyusha"?
The Militia. And it is also uniquely. Another story: at two o'clock in the morning to my home machine drives up and sends five shells towards Karachun opens. Think: well, everything is right now "return" to arrive. But there were.
The militia conquered the local radio. And here's the message: go to 13:00 will be an airstrike, in 15:00 would sweep the city. This is so people cheat. At first, these reports believe, and then ceased to pay attention to them.
Seen. Probably the only person about whom there is no comments. Talented people. It seems to me that he really believes in this stuff. Said: «here is in Lugansk-Bolotov. He fights, and the industry has some, and politics. And that is I do not understand. They have there any Constitution, any laws are, some Ministers appointed ". Well, take a look at Gubarev-it is deeply sick man.
Girkin-man military. When we started looting in Kramatorsk, «otatie» business, it could affect only the first shooter. But he said: "you know, I even sleep once. I'll finish up here and then ... And while I'm not going to touch into the economy. Try to sort it out. "
You had a Crisis Committee. For what purpose it was created and what actually worked?
It had to be people from the people who monitor the existing city authority. Because as much as was 300 thous. square meters of roads, but show me-and where? But the current Government in General has moved away from cases, and the Committee was about to Protest, the authorities. The people there were completely uninformed, from the street. Even today the 5 km could not come up to the Board, and now collapsed into chairs. The Committee was headed by Pavel Cveloj. He first travelled to Donetsk on anti-government rallies. Obviously, there is a mandate from Gubarev. Two months of his reign, bought a car-Peugeot. Postydilsâ would. All members of the anti-crisis Committee after the departure of the militia dissolved.
Antimonopoly Committee in Kramatorsk who had to fight-not at the same?
Here how many committees have emerged. Comes as man in sweatpants and wearing shoes with pointed toes. Said: "I am a representative of the anti-monopoly Committee. My activity is classified. " And I know that it is a regular taxi driver. Went to the military commander tried to ... We have had four. One comes to disperse the Antimonopoly Committee, his replacement is again convenes. Formally, the plenitude of power in the city belonged to the military commander.
The last Commandant of the surname was Kim, the teacher works or physical education at some schools used to work. Something was trying to solve, but it didn't work out. What he had done, he went out to the people, explained them at least something. Others simply captured a building without explanation. A previous commandants, non-native, we knew only as. «Terec, for example. However, today there is a commander, and tomorrow is gone. By the way, about the well-known Babaâ. He with his squad "starred" in the five days prior to the departure of the militia. It's like the same shit, name ...
Or knew. Nothing in life is just so don't do it. It is a war of interests and clans. DNI invented, McCullough, Rinat Akhmetov. It was his idea. And now he's losing on all fronts-will be drawn it will destroy his plants. But people still do not get to eat the same Mr Kolomoisky, who opened his mouth and wants to swallow it all.
Remember when Akhmetov took a nervous video in support of the "Edynoj of Ukraine"? He then smiled nervously. In fact, Akhmetov, when all is well, not smiling. Then he put together a rally of 200 people at the Donbass arena and left town. If not for the left, it all could happen otherwise. Need to fear God's judgment: it's easy to tell you it's something easily and will go away.
I had a little chat with supporters of Ukraine, but I have no aggression towards them. Well, no! While I am for the construct. And when the man says: "the death moskalâm!", you have to ask him why, and the answer is: "death to all!" People need to talk. This is the society.
By the way, I was against Department of Donetsk oblast. Referendum I too was involved. It was originally for the DNI in the Ukraine. We were all so inspired. And then came the topic of independence. But it is impossible. And as people in Donetsk this could not understand ... To be honest, the referendum was organized by the bad. Yes, passport, we asked, but you can with two agree. At the same time, the turnout was great. I have never seen such. People really were going for change, something like to say this. Hear us. If Poroshenko is for God's sake. Let alone hears. In the meantime, we listen. Someone has to beat out a carpet-and the entire House went. We still think that this is not the end.
Let's imagine that the Ukrainian army repulsed the Donbass. DND will continue to support the local population at the level of ideas?
Nothing will-they lost the battle for the minds of the people. When over your head are flying projectiles when in looting, robbery, no light or water-who like this. Now retirees receive a pension. And they will remember that it was the Ukrainian authorities. And nothing is done automatically. ...
Dmitry - stocky fellow with kind eyes. Was Antimaydane, from the first day participated in the DNR Kramatorsk. Now disillusioned and in the country, and local people. So the arrival of Ukrainian military took relief. Our military reciprocate. Dima recently stopped by a patrol to check Natsgvardii. Says, "apologizes three times, five times said" please ". And I get a call from Russia, saying: "You were not even killed? Well, you were in the DNI. " All waiting Natsgvardiya come and kill me. Yes they do not kill me. Plant can. But the point? And if you kill, then - all. Because DNR supported very many. "
Photo: EPA / UPG What people came to the area originally Donbass: against the new Kiev authorities or against local capitalists? Of course, the outrage was Maidan. There people were allegedly on behalf of the Ukraine, but because our opinion no one asked. And you expressed it in 2010, when voted for Yanukovych. While jumping Maidan, a spectacular building, we're here to work. And Kiev continued to work. And refused to pay taxes to the general budget. All right. Answer is that we would probably want to express their opinion - we do not want the European Union. For example, I read about the Association Agreement. Did it, when the town was still in Mariinsky Park from the Party of Regions . Yeah. And how much did pay for Antimaydane? I was at the office. Terrible thing - centurion. As we challenge was organized: call you at seven and say - we leave tomorrow at noon. Sit on the phone and ring up people. Paid from 200 to 350 USD per day. Always floating amount was. Liked to stand? Four hodki I typed. But the last time I gave up ... I was always a man ideas, but now disappointed in all. So I'm just helping people, drive a pensioner water distributes humanitarian aid - just yesterday took 250 kg of "humanitarian aid" from Kranoarmeysk. DNR - it was probably my last illusion. A first same slogans were good. DNR idea - great in its essence. But the people themselves and question her .. Do. And militia including. They behaved improperly from a political standpoint. The idea of federalization, as for me, right. All the major powers - the federation. All true, but the federation made a "bottom" rather than crushing a unitary country. Let it be so. But why, after the coup leader, none of Kiev to us so do not come ? Just would reassure people. Because there is no support Yanukovych. And what was the Donbass subsidized region - Yanukovych himself invented it. He thought "subsidies" to take them in his pocket. And we in securities - a subsidized region. But how is this possible when our businesses operate worldwide?! You were on Lenin Square, where a building Kramatorsk City Council tore Ukrainian flag? Looked at it all. Happy soul? I can not say so. Already then I knew that this project will have no future. Because I saw who reset this flag. It is clear that the organizers of all this - people prepared. Assembled crowd, played on people's feelings. And in the crowd and were drunk, and is inadequate - addicts in general. Anyway: military intervention in the state - is always destruction. And when they came to our new leaders, they asked all the old managers leave. I asked them, or find an adequate replacement or return them. Because it really were professionals. I have not listened to. And when I began to resent the excesses of the militia - stopped talking to me. And I created a non-governmental organization engaged in the export and refugees. I had a relationship with Donetsk: could call to find out. And I'm a very long time past, and when our pensioners will be given a pension. And then it's all been looted. That is, the money allocated? Definitely. And by whom? DNR headquarters in Donetsk. Cash had been brought here, and in the last days of the DNR some money people still got. Probably, this is the hryvnia, which stopped going to the Crimea, but paper remained. And 150 people got through the "children", and 200-250 people pensioners. It is negligible. And were given fifteen hundred, and the rest - "then". And the money that did not have time to give, probably taken. We also had a Crisis Council, the Antimonopoly Committee. And I was doing sending people out of town. Basically, in the Crimea. Now there's probably nobody will accept. Because our people were extremely ugly. Coming to pension, they settled. They were told: "You live for free, eat. Let's work a little bit. Maybe there will paint the fence. " In response, "Yes you sho - I refugee. I'll go to the disco. And where is my air conditioner? And why is far from the sea? ". I'm not lying, it was. So we called Crimeans with the words: "We are shocked by your refugees. Sorry, but this is not the refugees. These are people who come on vacation for three months. " Grandson or 23 years of age, at which consists grandmother or mother, who ran to seek his destiny in the Crimea, and the children were thrown to the teachers in the camps. So I'm disappointed all around. You people, like, help, and nobody needs it. It was all very sad. Lost the country, but the people themselves, and lost. Example: left militias of the executive committee. And the same people who applauded yesterday there DNR today themselves pilfered whole warehouse products. Not afraid nor zaminirovanii, nothing! Broke, broke ...
Photo: EPA / UPG Why people were kidnapped, why auto trashed? Bespredelschik. Do you think I stand now DNI? In the bud - yes. Wanted a change. It then I started doing them antiadvertising - when they ran on the collective farm market with guns with the words: "Now we will protect you." Director poked some papers with accounts. Who you are, what you want? Was the desire to simply "knock down" with people's money. Militias drove only on foreign cars, jeeps - they liked them. And the fact that they were shooting out of the city, it is generally a crime. They began to attack the position of Ukrainian troops at five o'clock, when people went to work. Many specifically retained on the plants, sat there in shelters to leave at eight. But what is the militia responded with Karachun, it is unique. Who sent mine in the garden "Katyusha"? Militias. And it is also unique. Another story: two in the morning to my house the car approaches and sends five shells towards Karachun. I think, well, everything - right now "return flow" will arrive. But nothing happened. Militia subdued local radio. And here comes the message: at 13:00 will be an airstrike, at 15:00 will sweep the city. This is because they Screw people. Please believe these messages, and then stopped paying attention to them. Girkin seen? Seen. Probably the only person about whom there is no comments. Talented people. I think he really believes in these things. Said: "Here in Lugansk - Swamp. He fights, and he has some kind of industry, and politics. And that in Donetsk - I do not understand. They've got some kind of constitution, some laws take, some ministers are appointed. " Well, look at Gubaryov - is deeply sick man. Girkin - a military man. When we started in Kramatorsk looting, "pushed out" of business, it could affect only first - shooter. But he said: "You know, I even sleep once. I will end here, and then ... And while I'm in the economy will not intermeddle. Try to figure out for yourself. " Have you had a crisis committee. For what purpose it was created and what is actually doing? It should include people from the people who would monitor the actions of local authority. Because in the city as it made 300 thousand square meters of roads, but show me - and where? But the current government has moved away from general affairs and crisis committee is going, then dissolve. The people there were absolutely ignorant, from the street. Yesterday at 5 km could not come to the executive committee, and collapsed in a chair today. Committee headed by Paul blossomed. He was among the first traveled to Donetsk on anti-government rallies. Obviously, there was a mandate from Gubaryov. Within two months of his reign, bought a car - "Peugeot". Be ashamed. All members of the Crisis Committee dissolved after the withdrawal of the militia. Antimonopoly Committee Kramatorsk whom had to fight - not with NKMZ same? Here bred many committees. Comes once a man in sweat pants and shoes with pointed toes. Says: "I - a representative of the Antimonopoly Committee. My work is classified. " And I know that it is a regular taxi driver. Went to the military commander to understand ... We have four of them changed. One comes - accelerates the antimonopoly committee, his replacement - convenes again. Formally, all power in the city belonged to the military commander. At last commandant name was Kim, a teacher works or physical education in some school had worked. Something was trying to solve, but it did not work. What he had done - he went out to the people, told them something. Others have simply seized a building without explanation. A previous commanders, non-native, we knew only callsign. "Terets", for example. However, today the commandant, and tomorrow - disappeared. Incidentally, regarding all known Babai . He and his party "starred" in the five days before the departure of the militia. It's like a fucking name ... Felt? Or knew. Nothing in life is just not done. It is a war of interests and clans. DNR came up, it must be confessed, Rinat Akhmetov . It was his idea. And now he is losing on all fronts - will draw in it, it will destroy the plants. But people still do not get it - there is the gentleman Kolomoysky who opened his mouth and wants to swallow it all. Remember when Akhmetov took a nervous video in support of "Edynoy Ukraine?" He then smiled nervously. In fact, Akhmetov, when he is doing well, not smiling. Then he gathered a rally of two hundred people at the "Donbass Arena" and left town. If it had not left for him it could have turned out differently. Be afraid of God's judgment: it's easy for you something - easily and leave. I had a little chat with supporters in Ukraine, but I have no aggression to them. Well, no! Although I for constructive. And when a man says: "Death to the Muscovites!", You ask him why, and answered: "Death and All!" ... People need to talk. It is the society. Incidentally, I was against the separation of the Donetsk region. I also engaged in a referendum. It was originally for the DNR as part of Ukraine . We are all so inspired. And then emerged the topic of independence. But this is impossible. And as people in Donetsk this could not understand ... I can honestly say: the referendum was organized poorly. Yes, we asked the passport, but it could come with two. At the same time, the turnout was really great. I have never encountered such. People are really going for change, something like to say this. Hear us. If this is Poroshenko - for God's sake. Let only hear. And while we listen. Someone came to knock carpet - and the whole house went. We still think it all - not the end. Let's imagine that the Ukrainian army repulsed the Donbass. The local population will continue to support the DNI level ideas? Nothing will happen - they have lost the battle for people's minds. When you fly over the head of shells when in looting, robbery, no light, water - who is love. Now pensioners receive a pension. And they will remember that they provided her the Ukrainian government. A machine does nothing ... http://blogs.lb.ua/maks_levin/272745_aydar_druga_hodka_den_tretiy.html
Its all about the gas transit line. Russian gas, Russian speaking area. Putin will take it. Ask Merkel.
Mr Humble Gunner: NOT MY BLoG - just a good, helpful map
All Russian speaking in area east of Donetsk. Russia will militarily take that part next. The war/fighting generates a lot of propaganda, just bs really. Many people are going to die if Ukraine does not negotiate with the Bear. They want to protect their gas, and Russian speaking Ukrainian’s territory will become Russian territory.
I have been to Ukraine. It is a divided culture, like Russia, but with no rules. Wonderful people the Ukrainians, just not mature on how to run a multicultural country.
Ukraine has it’s own undeveloped gas & oil. however I beleive Russia does NOT want to lose access to Ukrainian: cobalt & rare metals - indium and zirconium niobium. typically, these metals are very expensive and are used in NUCLEAR POWER engineering, medicine and pyrotechnics.