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Self-described “Liberal” Millennials are Actually Libertarian
Townhall.com ^ | July 14, 2014 | Cathy Reisenwitz

Posted on 07/14/2014 6:21:19 AM PDT by Kaslin

This week another Reason/Rupe poll came out, this one on the political leanings of my generation, the Millennials. One interesting thing to note for people concerned with how we vote is that a plurality of Millennials surveyed who described themselves as “liberal” express support for downright libertarian positions.

Liberal, to many Millennials (33 percent), just means belief in “social tolerance, openness, and personal freedom.” And far from preferring a leviathan state, many Millennials said they were liberal because people should have freedom to do what they want in their personal lives without government interference.

So how does that impact our voting? More liberal millennials than conservative ones indicated support for a classically “libertarian-leaning candidate,” by a margin of 60 to 27 percent. But nearly half of conservative millennials oppose a “fiscally conservative, socially liberal” candidate.

Here’s the deal. Conservative Millennials won’t vote for a Democrat. They especially won’t vote for any of the Democrats being floated. But what this poll is showing is that liberal Millennials are fed up with a Democratic party which has been anything but liberal. Consider that 60 percent of Hillary Clinton voters and 56 percent of those who approve of President Obama say they would support a fiscally conservative, socially liberal candidate. They’re open to free markets, as long as they get their personal freedoms.

In total, a majority—53 percent—of millennials say they would support a candidate who described him or herself as socially liberal and economically conservative.

So what does that mean?

Young people were key to Obama’s election and re-election. Ignoring their wishes not only harms the GOP now, but also going forward.

Traditionally, the GOP has had an all-too-testy relationship with its libertarian wing. Mediaite’s Andrew Kirell:

To wit: There’s the GOP’s historically poor convention treatment of Paul supporters; the incessant scapegoating of Libertarian candidates for GOP losses, even despite mathematical impossibility; the perpetual misunderstanding of what libertarians believe in; the conservative belittling of libertarian causes; the penchant for selecting terrible candidates and then getting pissy when libertarians hesitate to get behind the false choice; and plenty of embarrassing moves that make libertarians want to crawl under a rock.

The personal freedoms we Millennials want in no way violate small-government principles. In fact, they are full expressions of that idea that that government which governs least, governs best. Ending the War on Drugs, fixing our broken immigration system, no longer allowing the state to discriminate against gays in marriage, reining in domestic spying, and protecting whistleblowers are all, fundamentally, small-government positions which would all result in a net decrease in the state.

Nominating truly small-government politicians, who want the government out of the bedroom and the boardroom, isn’t just the only principled path forward for the GOP. It’s also the best way to attract my generation to the party. It’s the GOP, not the Democrats, who Millennials should associate with “social tolerance, openness, and personal freedom.”


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1 posted on 07/14/2014 6:21:19 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The Millennials still want their entitlement candy.

As long as they’re in favor of government giveaways, they’ll continue to vote for progressives.

Gotta keep the pig trough open.


2 posted on 07/14/2014 6:26:38 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Kaslin

Bump!


3 posted on 07/14/2014 6:27:13 AM PDT by 4Liberty (Our 13th Amendment abolished slavery, yet they continue forcing us to "transfer" our work products.)
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To: Kaslin

Joining with the right libertarians is necessary if conservatives ever hope to rein in government. Smaller government is the one thing we all agree on and smaller government is the key to social issues.

Its that simple.


4 posted on 07/14/2014 6:33:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Kaslin

Language matters. Remember that “Liberal” was coopted by Progressives in the early 20th Century after “Progressive” became associated with Communism and Socialism.

I really think that it’s time to reclaim “Liberal” in the Classic sense of the word, and the fact that Millenials are already using it in the Classic sense is a big benefit. Progressives have readopted “Progressive” so let’s shove it down their throats.


5 posted on 07/14/2014 6:33:48 AM PDT by tanknetter
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6 posted on 07/14/2014 6:38:44 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Kaslin
They are "anything goes" libertarians but they still want someone else to pay for it.
True libertarians have a strong belief in personal responsibility that I don't see in the millennials.

7 posted on 07/14/2014 6:39:06 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: tanknetter

Unfortunately we have both democrats and republicans desperately trying to drive a wedge between conservatives and libertarians.


8 posted on 07/14/2014 6:42:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek
Joining with the right libertarians is necessary if conservatives ever hope to rein in government.

every Libertarian i know is absolutely for smaller government... they side with Conservatives on many, many issues--except they are for open borders... BIG divide here... and they are very anti-war--any war...

the border thing is "the thing..."

9 posted on 07/14/2014 6:44:02 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Kaslin

They are only “Libertarian” as far as they want the government out of their lives, but they want it in everyone else’s.


10 posted on 07/14/2014 6:45:06 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek

Smaller government is the one thing we all agree on and smaller government is the key to social issues.

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Oh really? Libertarians are dead wrong on social issues. Conservatives are better off with RINO’s in charge of the GOP than a bunch of hippy libs.


11 posted on 07/14/2014 6:45:37 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Kaslin

“Self-described “Libertarian” Millennials are Actually Liberals.”

Fixed it.


12 posted on 07/14/2014 6:48:03 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: latina4dubya
except they are for open borders

Most that I know oppose open borders because of the cost and the fact that illegals are growing government. It was a libertarian who gave me the phrase "Illegals are government growth hormone".
13 posted on 07/14/2014 6:48:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Well good luck with all that. LOL


14 posted on 07/14/2014 6:49:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s because the very terms Libertarian and Conservative have become polarized. I’m a two-time loser in that I’m a Conservative with strong libertarian (small “L”) leanings.

I really like the term “Classical Liberal.”. The Founding Fathers were “Classical Liberals.”. When Reagan said that he didn’t leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left him he was referring to it abandoning Classical Liberalism.

There are such knee jerk reactions to both “Conservative” and “Libertarian” today that return to use of the term could be a gateway to the uniting around common beliefs and purposes that BOTH sides need in order to effectively counter Progressivism.


15 posted on 07/14/2014 6:51:22 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Kaslin

Quite the stretch. Everybody, when they are young, jumps on the “economically conservative” bandwagon because they are just starting out in life and need the money. But when asked about specific Libtard programs, they support them and would fund them.

Self identifying polls are always a bit off in reality.


16 posted on 07/14/2014 6:57:03 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Bratch

One cannot be socially liberal on the policy side whilst being fiscally conservative. These are diametrically opposed philosophies.

In order to be socially liberal the policy maker has to extract largesse from the public coffer to promote said socially liberal programs.

How about socially neutral and fiscally conservative?

It seems to me that millenials are just confused immature individuals (heads full of mush).


17 posted on 07/14/2014 6:57:37 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The only thing you "pass to see what's in it" is a stool sample. h/t MrB)
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To: Kaslin
We have one at work. He swears up and down he is a Liberal, listening to him talk he is actually a Conservative Libertarian. He wants nothing to do with "conservatives" and will argue to the death the exact opposite of the liberal talking points. I think he will grow out of his attitude the longer he is away from his liberal home, and further from collage.

He just can't agree with the liberals, although he claims to be one.

18 posted on 07/14/2014 7:01:53 AM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!! (this post approved by the NSA))
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To: DYngbld

Sit him down and tell him, bluntly, that Liberals believe in big, intrusive and costly government that thrives on dependency and requires taxation at a level that will eventually destroy his quality of life/standard of living.

Then ask him to tell you why you’re wrong.


19 posted on 07/14/2014 7:06:07 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Kaslin

I have two daughters who will both be able to vote for the first time in 2016 and this fits them to a t. They know that Obama is a miserable failure and they understand why “progressive” economic policies are no good, but they have no problem at all with gay rights issues or marijuana legalization or any of the stuff that tends to get the social conservatives’ panties in a knot.


20 posted on 07/14/2014 7:08:59 AM PDT by baltiless
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To: jurroppi1

“One cannot be socially liberal on the policy side whilst being fiscally conservative. These are diametrically opposed philosophies.”

Bingo!

Open borders = Millions of unskilled morons that don’t speak English with 8 kids drawing welfare.

The Libtardians will say...Oh, but we want to end welfare. Like that would ever happen.


21 posted on 07/14/2014 7:09:42 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: jurroppi1
One cannot be socially liberal on the policy side whilst being fiscally conservative. These are diametrically opposed philosophies.

In order to be socially liberal the policy maker has to extract largesse from the public coffer to promote said socially liberal programs.

How does, for example, "stop arresting people for selling, buying, or using marijuana" require extracting largesse from the public coffer?

22 posted on 07/14/2014 7:19:37 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Beagle8U

Contrast the article in this thread (the one we are commenting on) with this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3179982/posts and you will see the ring of truth to the rest of my original post on this thread.

Millenials appear to have no clue!


23 posted on 07/14/2014 7:19:42 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The only thing you "pass to see what's in it" is a stool sample. h/t MrB)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Your example is a non-sequitur. Not enforcing laws does not extract money from the coffer, but enforcing bad law or perceived bad law does. On that front we should be repealing bad law because it runs afoul of good common sense.

Whatever side of the drug legalization fence you sit on, there are real social impacts either way. Uniform law applied in a non-uniform matter tends to de-emphasize the propriety or lack thereof WRT laws.

The surest way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it vigorously.


24 posted on 07/14/2014 7:25:23 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The only thing you "pass to see what's in it" is a stool sample. h/t MrB)
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To: cripplecreek
Unfortunately we have both democrats and republicans desperately trying to drive a wedge between conservatives and libertarians.

Not to mention the clique of about a half dozen or so on this site who have the same agenda.

Sometimes I wonder if they are actually clever agent provocateurs...
25 posted on 07/14/2014 7:26:04 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead
Sometimes I wonder if they are actually clever agent provocateurs.

A couple definitely are. All one needs to do is step outside the echo chamber to recognize how much BS there is flying around.
26 posted on 07/14/2014 7:42:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

False, social liberalism makes small government impossible.

The key to smaller government is who gave it to us in the first place and fights for it today, social conservatives.

Social liberals are overwhelmingly liberal voters.


27 posted on 07/14/2014 7:44:51 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Funny someone just mentioned you. LOL


28 posted on 07/14/2014 7:46:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

Unfortunately we have libertarians trying to convince conservatives to move left and become more liberal, and it is being done by people called “libertarian”, not conservative, and for a reason.


29 posted on 07/14/2014 7:47:16 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ConservingFreedom; jurroppi1

“How does, for example, “stop arresting people for selling, buying, or using marijuana” require extracting largesse from the public coffer?”

Someone has to support the dopers, and that falls on those who work for a living.

Case in point...The Washington state moron who was on TV bragging how he bought the first legal sack of dope. He was promptly fired from his job.

But he said it was worth it to be the 1st legal pothead!


30 posted on 07/14/2014 7:51:54 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: cripplecreek

“Most that I know”.

Yet the actual libertarian position is open borders and we know why, all they care about are money issues and promoting some fantasy that social liberalism and open borders lead to right wing voters who will fight for smaller government, and that the way to defend America is to lose the ability to defend it.


31 posted on 07/14/2014 7:54:21 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: cripplecreek

Wow, going personal already?


32 posted on 07/14/2014 7:55:58 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

So yes, if one considers socialized medicine as a Socially Liberal issue (as I do) support for it runs diectly counter to Fiscal Conservatism.

Which illustrates pretty well how fluid and complex the language of political and ideological differences has become. Essentially we’re defining ourselves and each other by simplistic labels that really don’t express how close together or wide apart we can be on specific issues.


33 posted on 07/14/2014 7:55:59 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: ansel12

Talk to someone who respects your kind.


34 posted on 07/14/2014 7:58:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Beagle8U

Leaving off the part where he’s now on welfare until he can find a new job. Which given his new notariety may be a long time.


35 posted on 07/14/2014 7:59:03 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: bamahead

Are you under the impression that FR is no longer conservative and is now libertarian, and so we conservatives cannot challenge what is presented in this article of how Millennials are too liberal for conservatism and are more liberation?

This is what we see from liberals, rinos, romneybots, Paulites, and libertarians, that now the conservatives at this conservative site, are the problem.


36 posted on 07/14/2014 8:01:17 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: tanknetter

Social liberalism only creates more liberal voters and reduces the pool of conservative voters.


37 posted on 07/14/2014 8:02:52 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL, purely personal.


38 posted on 07/14/2014 8:03:25 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: tanknetter

The bottom line is very few companies will employ those that use drugs, their insurance companies would charge double.

The reason companies can’t fill jobs is they can’t find job seekers that can pass a whiz-quiz.


39 posted on 07/14/2014 8:06:01 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: RIghtwardHo

All we have to do is look at which lever Millennials pull when they are in the voting booth, and it isn’t against the left.

That is the libertarian argument, for us to join the left in social liberalism, and the parties fight over taxes, which is very close to the traditional rino position.


40 posted on 07/14/2014 8:08:41 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: jurroppi1
One cannot be socially liberal on the policy side whilst being fiscally conservative. These are diametrically opposed philosophies.

In order to be socially liberal the policy maker has to extract largesse from the public coffer to promote said socially liberal programs.

How does, for example, "stop arresting people for selling, buying, or using marijuana" require extracting largesse from the public coffer?

Your example is a non-sequitur. Not enforcing laws

I meant, of course, stop arresting by repealing the underlying law - I focused on the arresting only to highlight the lack of extraction from the public coffer.

41 posted on 07/14/2014 8:13:07 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Beagle8U
How does, for example, “stop arresting people for selling, buying, or using marijuana” require extracting largesse from the public coffer?

Someone has to support the dopers

Says who?

42 posted on 07/14/2014 8:14:11 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Beagle8U
very few companies will employ those that use drugs

Are you sure about that? As a senior data analyst, I've never worked for a company that drug tested.

43 posted on 07/14/2014 8:18:54 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

The laws on the books.

If they can’t work those that do are forced to support them.


44 posted on 07/14/2014 8:19:30 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Kaslin

Not really. They will always like entitlements, and there will never be enough we can do for the downtrodden.


45 posted on 07/14/2014 8:22:46 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: ConservingFreedom; All

“As a senior data analyst, I’ve never worked for a company that drug tested.”

Of course you haven’t! Your options are limited to those that don’t.


46 posted on 07/14/2014 8:22:51 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: ConservingFreedom

My proposed compromise on drug policy is decriminalization rather than legalization. Its better to pay a ticket once in a while than to pay a tax every time. Plus it doesn’t tie up police resources with arrests and incarceration.

Obviously there will have to be under the influence laws like there are with drunk driving.

(I don’t do either anymore)


47 posted on 07/14/2014 8:33:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Beagle8U
As a senior data analyst, I’ve never worked for a company that drug tested.

Of course you haven’t! Your options are limited to those that don’t.

I haven't used drugs in decades - but your immediate stoop to personal smears reflects the emptiness of your pro-drug-war position.

48 posted on 07/14/2014 8:38:09 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Beagle8U
How does, for example, “stop arresting people for selling, buying, or using marijuana” require extracting largesse from the public coffer?

Someone has to support the dopers

Says who?

The laws on the books.

Then it's that law - not legality of marijuana - that extracts largesse from the public coffer.

49 posted on 07/14/2014 8:39:54 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: cripplecreek
My proposed compromise on drug policy is decriminalization rather than legalization. Its better to pay a ticket once in a while than to pay a tax every time. Plus it doesn’t tie up police resources with arrests and incarceration.

I agree that decriminalization is better than the status quo. (Although not for the reasons you give - whether an occasional ticket is cheaper than a tax depends on amounts and frequency, and detecting ticketable violations and issuing tickets would still tie up police resources.)

The biggest problem with decriminalization is that it doesn't address the biggest problem with the status quo: the illegality of production and sale enriches criminals.

50 posted on 07/14/2014 8:44:14 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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