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PA hopes ceasefire will yield restart of peace talks
The Times of Israel ^ | Monday, July 14, 2014 | Avi Issacharoff and Elhanan Miller

Posted on 07/14/2014 12:12:57 PM PDT by Star Traveler

The Palestinian Authority is trying to promote the idea of convening an international peace summit between the Israelis and the Palestinians that would take place in conjunction with a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip

The PA is requesting that a ceasefire agreement provide not only for the cessation of hostilities, but also include a number of measures that would restart the stalled peace process, senior Palestinian officials told The Times of Israel on Monday.

Aside from convening an international summit that would include representatives from the PA, Israel, Arab states and other actors, the Palestinian proposal includes a number of other provisions: transferring authority over the Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt to the PA (specifically President Mahmoud Abbas’s presidential guard); deploying PA forces along the Philadelphi Route on the border between the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula (from which Israel withdrew in September 2005, and which has since been under the control of the Egyptian army); releasing those Hamas members (approximately 50) who were re-arrested by Israeli security forces in recent weeks after being released in the 2011 prisoner exchange deal to free kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Shalit; and increasing Palestinian control of the Erez Crossing between Israel and the northern Gaza Strip.

The PA is concerned that a ceasefire deal that does not stipulate the renewal of the peace process will harm the chances of resuming negotiations in the future, which explains the numerous messages relayed between Ramallah and those states involved in negotiating a ceasefire, including the US, Egypt and Qatar.

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Well ... the Palestinian Authority has no leverage other than to throw in the "kitchen sink" ... so to speak. The only problem with their "move" on this is that it's been the Palestinian Authority itself (and not Israel) who has been stalling on entering into negotiations. They have thrown one roadblock after another down in order to stall the process, while Israel has been anxious to proceed. It sounds like a "ploy" by Abbas, more than anything else.
1 posted on 07/14/2014 12:12:57 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

How times will they go on the offensive, then sue for peace?

I’ve had enough of these peace talks.


2 posted on 07/14/2014 12:15:34 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Star Traveler

They like the Yankee dollar...


3 posted on 07/14/2014 12:15:45 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Looks like the Rocket supply is running low.


4 posted on 07/14/2014 12:17:54 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Star Traveler
PA hopes ceasefire will yield restart of peace talks

Perhaps so. Ya gotta re-arm sometime...

5 posted on 07/14/2014 12:19:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Star Traveler

Since when do the losers get to dictate terms???


6 posted on 07/14/2014 12:19:43 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Arab Spring is over. Welcome to the Jihadi Spring." Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Vendome

Same here. It ends when every PA target has been taken out.

Sucks to be them...

It’s about time!


7 posted on 07/14/2014 12:20:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Star Traveler

There will never be peace in the Middle East until Israel eradicates Palestine


8 posted on 07/14/2014 12:20:47 PM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (They are Illegal Aliens...not immigrants)
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To: Vendome

Well, actually it was Hamas (in Gaza) that went on the attack and it’s Abbas of the Palestinian Authority who is talking about this. Hamas won’t even mention any “peace process” ... :-) ...


9 posted on 07/14/2014 12:21:03 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: NonValueAdded

A cease-fire has always happened, before, so that’s a foregone conclusion. And another item here is that it’s Abbas from the Palestinian Authority who is talking, while Israel is fighting Hamas in Gaza, which is a different entity,

Israel has an on-going dialogue with the Palestinian Authority but it doesn’t with Hamas.


10 posted on 07/14/2014 12:23:57 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

11 posted on 07/14/2014 12:26:16 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: Star Traveler

Well, actually, it is a bunch of whiney Arab terrorists.

Hamas, no matter they say, is an insourced agency of the larger Arab cabal...

If Hamas is an outside actor, then how would peace talks affect anything?

Does Abbas speak on behalf, as a proxy, for Hamas?

If PA were ever to succesfuly sue and achieve peace would Hamas or any other upstart organization of goat fkrs ever end their tireless charade and attacks?

Would PA, if it were a recognized fauxny state, ever go after Hamas to keep peace and order.

Bunk


12 posted on 07/14/2014 12:27:02 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Star Traveler

“Restart the Peace Process” == “We need to recoup our damages and restock our weapons”


13 posted on 07/14/2014 12:28:40 PM PDT by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: DisorderOnBorder

Well Israel will never eliminate the Palestinians or the land in which they live - because Israel actually NEEDS to have the Palestinians have a “separate country” in order to keep them out of Israel proper.

If Israel took over all that land they are on now, Israel would INSTANTLY BECOME AN ARAB COUNTRY just on the basis of population, and the Jews would be in a minority.

SO ... you see ... Israel needs to have a “Palestinian State” in order to keep Israel as the “homeland for the Jews” (they’ve already got 20% of the population as ARAB citizens inside Israel, as it is right now).


14 posted on 07/14/2014 12:32:55 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: eCSMaster

Abbas and the Palestinian Authority have never launched any rockets into Israel, and that’s why Israel wants to keep Hamas out of the PA territories.

Those rockets come from Hamas and Gaza.


15 posted on 07/14/2014 12:34:45 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Well ... I hope you do know that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has lobbied our Congress to keep funds flowing to the P.A. too ... :-) ...

But, there is E.U. money going to the P.A. also.


16 posted on 07/14/2014 12:37:26 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s not “P.A. targets” that are being taken out ... it’s Hamas targets in Gaza that are being taken out. The tanks are not lined up around the P.A. territories, but they are lined up next to Gaza.


17 posted on 07/14/2014 12:40:17 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

If it were up to me, they wouldn’t get a dime.


18 posted on 07/14/2014 12:41:22 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Vendome
How times will they go on the offensive, then sue for peace?

Exactly. It is like the land they want Israel to give back. They start a war, lose land and then after they lose they want it back.

20 posted on 07/14/2014 12:46:50 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Star Traveler

It was my understanding that Hamas was part of the ruling government in the Palestinian territories. Thus the P.A. is essentially the same thing.

Perhaps Hamas has a better grip on power in Gaza. That could be true...


21 posted on 07/14/2014 12:47:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: F15Eagle

The antichrist is coming, but I would say not for a while yet. So, in the meantime, we’ve got more of the above ... with Abbas ... :-) ...


22 posted on 07/14/2014 12:48:19 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Ahh the perennial peace process. Always so productive with the Palestinians.

Israel: “We want peace, stop lobbing missiles at our citizens.”
PA: “Death to Israel, Death to Jews”


23 posted on 07/14/2014 12:51:36 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: DoughtyOne

No ... it’s pretty much this way ... Hamas in Gaza, the Palestinian Authority in Judea and Samaria (i.e., the Westbank). The P.A. and Hamas are deadly enemies; they kill each other. Hamas gained control over Gaza a while back and kicked the PA out of there.

Even Egypt recognizes that the PA and Hamas are different. Egypt wants Abbas and the PA to control the Gaza/Egypt border and NOT Hamas. Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood have worked together, and Egypt wants nothing to do with either of them.

In the beginning when Hamas was first formed, Israel actually supported Hamas (under the surface) in order to provide an offset to Arafat and the PLO (the forerunner to the PA).


25 posted on 07/14/2014 12:55:27 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

See Post #14 ...


26 posted on 07/14/2014 12:56:43 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: F15Eagle

We’ll, I’ve always thought the Rapture was coming in my lifetime, and I’ve thought that way for at least over 50 years now. HOWEVER, I’m running out of “lifetime” ... :-) ...


27 posted on 07/14/2014 12:59:06 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

I understand this may not be the time or place for it, but shouldn’t there be a Christian nation in the Middle East. How can their be a comprehensive settlement without addressing the formation of a separate Christian nation-state in the Holy Land or elsewhere?


28 posted on 07/14/2014 1:00:33 PM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: Star Traveler

Thanks for the clarification.


29 posted on 07/14/2014 1:05:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Star Traveler

PA (otherwise known as the PLO terrorist gang all pumped up with American money and weapons and military training so it could kill more damnedJooos) — Now, a totally irrelevant footnote, just an historical abberation of no consequence to today or tomorrow’s world


30 posted on 07/14/2014 1:05:52 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Chad_the_Impaler

I know what the Bible says about the comprehensive peace plan that is coming and will settle everything finally ... but I really don’t know what you might be referring to, in regards to a Christian nation. You’ve got me on that one ...


31 posted on 07/14/2014 1:07:06 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: faithhopecharity

Well ... keep in mind that when you talk about the PA, you got a twenty year history of Israel and the PA signing agreements, changing things “on the ground”, giving control to the PA gradually and in phased steps - so it has been “on-going” for quite a while.

And one thing one has to remember about this is that it’s Israel itself who wants the Palestinian State to be formed - more so than anyone else. That because Israel wants to keep those millions of Palestinians out of Israel proper, in order to keep Israel as the homeland for the Jews. Right now there are 80% Jews and 20% Arabs in Israel, and Israel doesn’t want that percentage any higher. They want to keep those Arabs INSIDE their own Palestinian State and not have Israel take over all that land and have them all inside Israel (turning it into an ARAB state).


33 posted on 07/14/2014 1:15:13 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: faithhopecharity

One more thing you should know ... it’s that Israel (and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu) actually wants the Palestinian Authority in place, where it is (in Judea and Samaria) in order to be in control of the civilian population. Israel definitely DOES NOT WANT its soldiers doing that duty in those territories. That’s why Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has lobbied, in the past, for Congress to keep approving funds to the PA in order for it to carry out those duties. Israel actually “wants them there.”


34 posted on 07/14/2014 1:23:58 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

that strategy, if you will, has proven unsuccessful. over and over and over again. and over again, again.

Israel’s government, or perhaps the next Israeli government, will need to adopt a more successful strategy than trying to keep a group of IslamoNazi squatters living inside the land of Israel in the hope that they will suddenly, or even gradually, transform into a peaceful civilized population


35 posted on 07/14/2014 1:42:56 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: faithhopecharity

What would be 100% unsuccessful! without any doubt is having Israel incorporate that land into “Israel proper” as that would IMMEDIATELY change the demographic of Israel to an ARAB NATION.

That’s not the solution Israel is looking for ... :-) ...


36 posted on 07/14/2014 1:45:30 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

No, Israel will retake its territory and the Arabs will live in Arab countries, instead.
There is no logic for Israel to let them remain in Israel.
And there is no logic other than attempted usurpation and continued terrorist bombings and attacks for them be permitted to remain there.


37 posted on 07/14/2014 1:48:13 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: faithhopecharity

There are two problems with that ... one of which is that one can’t force another country to take people in, when they don’t want to. And it’s been made clear that they don’t want to.

The other problem is that any country who forces any mass migration of a population out of an area in their military control is committing a war crime.

Well, contrary to the LIES that say Israel commits war crimes ... it doesn’t ... by its own laws, it’s own pronouncements and declarations and by its own actions,

In addition to the above, Israel has already entered into peace treaties with Jordan and Israel in which they have committed to recognizing these Palestinians in these territories - PLUS - the legal documents and treaties they’ve signed and agreed to through all their governments and Prime Ministers for the last twenty years committing Israel to coming to a final agreement forming a Palestinian State.

You’re a bit “out of date” with the legal documents and treaties that Israel has “committed itself to” ... I would say about 20+ years “out of date” ... :-) ...


38 posted on 07/14/2014 1:59:20 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

we will see what transpires.

inho, all your hopes for past “legal documents” and concerns that Israel may be driven to commit what you believe would be a “war crime”.... are well-founded, but not very likely to determine the future. The future will be determined by Israel’s defense needs, and the Islamics have proven, over and over again, that they intend to continue their thousands and thousands of bombings and murderious terrorist attacks...including the perversion, if you will, or conversion of heart-of-Israel high-hill-ground areas Israel tried to give them... into rocket-launching terror nests. So, Israel giving her enemy land for peace has proven a failed policy. “Legal documents” predicated on that failed objective will not stand in the way now of Israel defending herself. After Israel (hopefully, if she’s finally learned the lesson of history) neutralizes her enemies, she can discuss “legal documents” and other such matters.

We live in a real world. Not one where one party can give away the heart of its homeland “for peace’ and then be expected to honor that arrangement when the other party fails to honor it....and instead amasses over 100,000 missiles and bombs with which to further threaten, terrorize, and attack Israel. That dog won’t hunt anyore.


39 posted on 07/14/2014 2:10:16 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: massgopguy

Yep. Sounds like Israel is winning.

I say Israel keep on till they surrender and withdraw all demands for a cease fire.


40 posted on 07/14/2014 2:45:00 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: Star Traveler

My response to these animals would be: “You fired rockets on us for X days. We will cease fire after X * 2 days. If you don’t like it, then don’t fire rockets at us.”


41 posted on 07/14/2014 3:11:25 PM PDT by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Monitor

Ya know ... anyone can “propose” anything that one wants. That’s never the problem. The “problem” is always getting both sides to agree to the same exact proposal.

SO ... I would imagine that Israel could propose that, but at the same time, I can also imagine that Hamas will fire off the rest of the 3,000 rockets they have for the next three or four weeks ... :-) ...


42 posted on 07/14/2014 3:20:32 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: DoughtyOne
It ends when every PA target has been taken out.

On May 7th, 1945, a delegation from the German government, then lead by Grossadmiral Doenitz, showed up at SHAPE Headquarters to "negotiate" peace terms. This lead to the incongrous sight of an American MP snapping a salute to a German General. Eisenhower's chief of staff initially ignored them. When they wouldn't go away they were told to go back to Doenitz and tell him the only terms available were unconditional surrender. The capitulation agreed to had to be re-signed the next day in Berlin, because the Soviets were only represented by a colonel, Stalin made all the parties go through it all again, this time General Zhukov signed for the Soviet Union. Eisenhower was indifferent about the stars on the uniform of the American representative.

43 posted on 07/14/2014 3:40:20 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Star Traveler

‘Sounds like the PA needs time to reload.


44 posted on 07/14/2014 7:52:42 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: freeangel

The PA isn’t Hamas, and the PA has it’s own agenda, which is different from Hamas. The PA is trying to “leverage” the events with Hamas and Israel for its own benefit, which is more political and in the world scene, while Hamas is more “guns and ammo” with its operations.

Israel isn’t surrounding the PA and shooting Israeli missiles at it. But Israel is doing it at Hamas in Gaza!

You might want to look at this ...

Egyptian ceasefire proposal leaves Hamas cornered
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3180308/posts

The only thing the PA is “reloading” is its “political portfolio”!


45 posted on 07/14/2014 8:06:17 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Good info but that was not the land I was talking about.


46 posted on 07/14/2014 10:43:26 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

The only land I know about that Israel is dealing with, in common with the Palestinians is in the area of Judea, Samaria and Gaza.

What land were you talking about?


47 posted on 07/14/2014 10:59:11 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks Star Traveler:
48 posted on 07/15/2014 4:24:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Star Traveler

The Six Day War in 1967


49 posted on 07/15/2014 7:17:33 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

That’s Judea, Samaria and Gaza.


50 posted on 07/15/2014 8:35:15 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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