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Ukrainian plane shot down in Luhansk region, missile probably launched from Russia
Ukrinform ^ | 14.07.2014 02180017:00 | Ukrinform

Posted on 07/14/2014 2:12:25 PM PDT by WhiskeyX

KYIV, July 14 /Ukrinform/. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry has confirmed reports of a Ukrainian An-26 plane downed in Luhansk region, and suspects that a missile could probably be launched from Russian territory, the press service of the Ukrainian president has reported.

(Excerpt) Read more at ukrinform.ua ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine

1 posted on 07/14/2014 2:12:25 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

For the 4th time today, NO, IT WASN’T LAUNCHED FROM RUSSIA...

It was launched, most likely, from a BUK-M1, a heavy AA AFV, one of four the rebels got when they overran the Heavy Anti-air regiment in Donetsk last month.

The video of the shootdown clearly shows the missile maneuvering above the plane, then coming down to strike it. It wasn’t flying at 6,500 meters, more like 4-6,000 FEET, as it was about to airdrop supplies to a cut-off and surrounded unit.
http://youtu.be/Z1lpc3VQgqY

Donetsk militia takes control of Ukrainian anti-air installation
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_29/Donetsk-militia-takes-control-of-Ukrainian-anti-air-installation-1561/
I have been talking about these for two weeks.


2 posted on 07/14/2014 2:25:16 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: WhiskeyX

Yesterday the Ukraines killed a couple people on the lands of Russia proper.


3 posted on 07/14/2014 2:25:52 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tcrlaf
Buk-M1
4 posted on 07/14/2014 2:26:31 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Sacajaweau
Yesterday the Ukraines killed a couple people on the lands of Russia proper.

Perhaps turn about is fair play after all.

5 posted on 07/14/2014 2:30:19 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: WhiskeyX; All

Also, don’t forget that the rebels got both a “Mandat”, and “Kolchuga passive sensor” system from “Topas” factory in Donetsk, when they took it over a few weeks ago.


6 posted on 07/14/2014 2:51:18 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: WhiskeyX
MANDAT: . Mandat-B1E is an automated data acquisition and data procession system. It gathers data on emission sources and radiates aimed barrage jamming signals within an area of monitoring. The complex allows to reveal enemy grouping in operational and tactical depth, to define a disposition of military units, divisions, their terrain co-ordinates and relocation based on enemy radio command lines and radio networks. Within the whole controlled / covered area (60km depth and 90km front) and within the whole operating frequency range (1,5-1000 MHz) the complex effec­tively jams up to 80 fixed frequency radio links or up to 6 radio links with FH technique - that allows to ruin the enemy forces con­trol.
7 posted on 07/14/2014 2:54:50 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Ingtar

http://www.hangthebankers.com/george-soros-admits-to-funding-the-ukraine-crisis/


8 posted on 07/14/2014 2:54:54 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: WhiskeyX
Kochluga Passive Sensor System Kolchuga is an electronic support measures system that employs two or more sites to locate emitters by triangulation. The system is vehicle mounted and comprises a large vertical meshed reflector, with two smaller circular parabolic dishes beneath and a pair of VHF-to-microwave log periodic antennas above. The dishes may exploit amplitude monopulse techniques for improved direction finding, whilst the angled spacing of the log-periodic antenna suggests that they may use phase interferometry to improve angle measurements. Various smaller antennas, presumably for inter-site communications are to the side and rear of the dish. The detection range is one of the best in its class, but it is highly dependent on the emitted power of the transmitter being tracked, and requires satisfaction of the line of sight condition to at least two receiving sites for triangulation (compared with three sites for a multilateration system such as the VERA passive sensor). A Kolchuga complex can detect and locate air and surface targets and trace their movement to a range generally limited only by the common line-of-sight of the stations. Assuming no terrain masking, the line-of-sight range of a single Kolchuga station (in km) is approximately (Skolnik 1981): d(km) =130(\sqrt{hr(km)}+\sqrt{ht(km)}) where hr(km) is the height of the radar in km, and ht(km) is the height of the target in kilometres, and assuming standard atmospheric radio refraction. Thus, for a Kolchuga at 100 m altitude (above local terrain) and a target at 10 km (30 kft), the range of the system would be approximately 450 km. For targets at altitudes of 20 km (60 kft) the line of sight limitation would be 620 km—but few targets fly at such altitudes. Being line-of-sight limited, the system is an effective early warning air defense system against high power emitters. (Wiki)
9 posted on 07/14/2014 2:57:28 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

That’s just smoke and mirrors propaganda you are using to hide the Russian criminal acts. The Ukrainian aircraft was aloft at 21,500 feet, well beyond the range of any shoulder-fired SAM or other SAM captured by insurgents. The Ukrainian aircraft could only have been shot down at that altitude by a air-to-air intercept missile fired from a Russian fighter aircraft or by a large surface-to-air-missile (SAM) operated by the Russian Ground Forces inside Russia or inside the Ukraine.


10 posted on 07/14/2014 2:59:39 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

21,500 feet????

DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO?? 3-5,000 feet, AT BEST.

Please explain to the class the dynamics of trying to airdrop a supply pallet into a 300-meter area from 21,500ft. (This oughtta be good!)

(Yeah, WE could do it, but not the Ukrainians, and certainly not from an AN-26!)


11 posted on 07/14/2014 3:02:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Yesterday the Ukraines killed a couple people on the lands of Russia proper.”

Ukraine says their forces had nothing to do with the incident. What evidence is there to indicate the incident was not caused by the Russian insurgents firing sort rounds across the border from Russia into the Ukraine? It wouldn’t be the first time the Russians were caught staging a fake propaganda incident to falsely claim a provocation to invade the Ukraine.


12 posted on 07/14/2014 3:05:26 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: tcrlaf

Sounds like a real act of war


13 posted on 07/14/2014 3:06:02 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Sacajaweau

or so says Russia, which is so unbiased


14 posted on 07/14/2014 3:06:37 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tcrlaf

“21,500 feet????”

“DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO?? 3-5,000 feet, AT BEST.”

A Ukrainian military transport aircraft has been shot down in the east, amid fighting with pro-Russian separatist rebels, Ukrainian officials say. They say the An-26 plane was hit at an altitude of 6,500m (21,325ft).
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/bbc-ukraine-military-plane-shot-down-as-fighting-rages-video-356001.html


15 posted on 07/14/2014 3:09:18 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

“Ukraine says their forces had nothing to do with the incident”

The KEY words here being “Their forces”...

Russia is saying that the shelling came from either a Right Sector unit, or a National Guard Unit, both of which were attacking the border post, at the time.

Kiev doesn’t acknowledge the several Right Sector Militias operating in conjunction with Ukrainian Units to be “their forces”, and do not report their casualties.

Nor do they report National guard casualties.


16 posted on 07/14/2014 3:10:11 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: WhiskeyX

There is Kiev propaganda, and there is the video’d reality, as we keep seeing over and over again. The many vids of the incident tell the truth of it.

PS- The only reason Kiev is acknowledging this incident, at all, is because the video evidence means they cannot deny the loss. Again, this has happened over and over.


17 posted on 07/14/2014 3:12:25 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Russians employed by Russian intelligence and GRU services are invading the Ukraine by the hundreds or thousands with Russian tanks, AFV, artillery, munitions, and more with impunity from the Russian Government, and they are capturing, torturing, and/or killing Ukrainian civilians and military personnel by the hundreds; and then you have the gall to claim an anonymous shelling, possibly by Russian combatants, killing one person and injuring two other people just inside the Russian border where Russians are shooting into the Ukraine with GRAD artillery rockets and artillery shells is supposed to somehow serve as provocation for killing even more Ukrainians in the Ukraine. Stop invading the Ukraine from Russia, NOW.


18 posted on 07/14/2014 3:21:11 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: tcrlaf

“DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO?? 3-5,000 feet, AT BEST.”

“There is Kiev propaganda, and there is the video’d reality, as we keep seeing over and over again. The many vids of the incident tell the truth of it.”

Yes, there is “the video’d reality”, and the “the video’d reality” clearly shows the aircraft had already fallen a considerable distance and yet was still above about 18,000 feet as the video started. Your comments are therefore blatant lies and false propaganda.


19 posted on 07/14/2014 3:43:36 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Lol.. Yes, I understand that Truth are lies, and ignorance is strength in Not-a-Nazi naziland.

Again, explain to the class how to do an Airdrop from that altitude to a 300-meter target?


20 posted on 07/14/2014 4:11:15 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

“Lol.. Yes, I understand that Truth are lies, and ignorance is strength in Not-a-Nazi naziland.”

Yes, your false propaganda is no different than the false propaganda used by the NAZIs such as Hitler and Goebbels and by the Soviets such as Stalin.

“Again, explain to the class how to do an Airdrop from that altitude to a 300-meter target?”

You are using the false logic of a strawman argument which has no relevance whatsoever to the video of the Ukrainian aircraft being shot down. When the viewer looks at the vdeo posted on the BBC website, the Ukrainian aircraft has already been struck by a missile and is falling out of the sky when the video clip begins. Behing the falling aircraft is a vapor and smoke trail from the burning aircraft.
The vapor and smoke trail lead back into the Cirrus clouds seen in the video. Cirrus clouds are high altitude clouds composed of ice crystals due to the extreme cold at that high altitude in the stratosphere. So, there is visual proof beyond all possible doubt that the aircraft was burning as it fell from the same general high altitude as the Cirrus clouds, i.e. about 21,500 feet as reported in the news. Even towards the end of the video clip we can see the aircraft flare into more of a blazing torch as it falls out of the stratosphere and into the more oxygen rich troposphere at about 12,000 to 10,000 feet.

So, we’ve seen enough of your false allegations and attempts to disseminate more of your ugly false propaganda. You are inventing lies which have no place in this forum.


21 posted on 07/14/2014 4:52:20 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

And the plane was piloted by Mother Teresa, who was just Air-dropping Elvis and the Band in to entertain Muhatma Ghandi, right?


22 posted on 07/14/2014 5:14:36 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

“And the plane was piloted by Mother Teresa, who was just Air-dropping Elvis and the Band in to entertain Muhatma Ghandi, right?”

Face up to it, you got caught red-handed by the video evidence in another of your egregious lies on behalf of the Russian criminals. Your inappropriate mockery simply cements the fact of your dishonorable conduct.


23 posted on 07/14/2014 5:18:46 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

OH, BS....
YOU are doing what you always do, deny the facts in evidence, because it doesn’t meet the approved Kiev propaganda.

PS- some kind of a large explosion reported on the East Bank in Dnepro tonight...


24 posted on 07/14/2014 5:34:03 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

“YOU are doing what you always do, deny the facts in evidence, because it doesn’t meet the approved Kiev propaganda.”

This “deny the facts” is precisely what you have just done by denying the aircraft was at high altitude, yet we can all see with our own eyes the aircraft was at the general high altitude of the Cirrus clouds when it was falling out of the sky in the video. Cirrus clouds do not exist at the low altitudes you lied about. So, take your lies, false propaganda, false innuendo, and mockery scumbag routine somewhere else, because we’re not impressed with your act.


25 posted on 07/14/2014 5:54:19 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: tcrlaf

This thing is known as “The Three Fingers of Death” (this one is a newer model with a third “finger” added) for an extremely agile missile which is very hard to outmaneuver even in a fighter jet.
Here is a Hollywood version of it’s operation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B8u_XzbSuQ


26 posted on 07/14/2014 9:24:26 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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