Skip to comments.Nationalist MKs Outraged Over Impending Ceasefire
Posted on 07/14/2014 3:54:41 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
Nationalist Knesset Members expressed outrage on Monday night over Egypts proposal for a ceasefire in Gaza, which the Cabinet is to vote on early Tuesday morning.
Diplomatic officials said that the Egyptian proposal would return the situation on the ground to the state it was before Operation Protective Edge, but with a Hamas that is much weaker than before.
Officials close to Jewish Home Chairman Naftali Bennett said he would vote against the ceasefire.
Housing Minister Uri Ariel (Jewish Home) told Channel 2 News that the ceasefire proposal is very bad. I hope the reports are not correct and if they are, this is a disaster.
Minister Ariel stressed that the ceasefire would endanger Israeli citizens. "It wont be long before Hamas will grow stronger, smuggle more elaborate rockets and open fire again, he warned.
Asked how he believes Israel should act now, he responded that the operation must continue, including ground entry. We need to finish the job. Doing half a job is worse than doing nothing.
Deputy Defense Minister Danny Danon (Likud) said that a ceasefire at this point would be a "slap in the face" to the residents of the south, who were willing to pay a heavy price in return for Israel dealing a significant blow to Hamas.
No cosmetics will be able to beautify this serious mistake, he said.
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At the time that Israel returned control of the Sinai to Egypt, it should have insisted that Egypt also absorb Gaza into Egypt. Of course, Egypt did not, and does not, want a bunch of Palestinian trouble makers, but I suspect they would have accepted Gaza in order to get Sinai back.
Now, Egypt has its own internal challenges with the Muslim Brotherhood to resolve. Just the same, I doubt that Egypt would put with with Hamas or Hesbollah for a NY minute.
Where did he ever get that idea? Maybe because it's EXACTLY what they have done for 1400 years?
Where's Joshua? These vermin of humanity need eradicating.
Works for me. Israel could just line up D-9s and push it
all into Egypt as far as I’m concerned.
I hope they don’t buy into the “peace” Malarky
until they have decimated, truly decimated Hamas
especially it’s leadership.
Don’t stop when what you are doing is working.
Back then, Ghaza wasn’t yet made Judenrein, so Begin couldn’t throw it in. Maybe some Palis will integrate into Egyptian society, stop calling themselves Palis, and actually do something constructive. Off chance, but it beats any other option presently available.
LOL ... Egypt doesn’t want Gaza anymore than Israel wants it.
Israel wants ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with administering the Palestinians in Gaza and controlling the civil government. And Egypt wants absolutely nothing to do with it for basically the same reasons as Israel ... :-) ...
Here’s a better one.
Israel eliminates Hamas, keeps Gaza and builds their own resort hotels, beaches and tourist areas.
The “Palestinians” ARE Hamas as they elected them. They have committed serious acts of war against Israel, and they deserve to pay the price of defeat...and forfeiture of that bit of real estate.
The surviving Gazian refugees would need to seek asylum wherever they can find it...maybe in the concentration camps of Jordan.
They want to kill Israelis because they’re Jooos! They’ll want to kill Egyptians because they’re not Muslim enough. But then, Egypt will want to kill them because they’re MB.
Hamas is the majority party in the Palestinian National Authority. Much of the world recognizes them as a legitimate government, or at least pretends to.
Israel needs to forget about cease-fires.
In today’s world, any leader who advocated eliminating civilians in some kind if “ethnic cleansing” or “mass killings” and actually carried that out — would be captured and tried and convicted of crimes against humanity. I’m afraid your “Joshua” would be in jail in our Western society ... and for good reason, from the precedent established with the Nuremberg Trials.
No, Hamas is not the majority of the Palestinian Authority ... :-) ...
Its pretty much this way ... Hamas in Gaza, the Palestinian Authority in Judea and Samaria (i.e., the West Bank). The P.A. and Hamas are enemies; they kill each other. Hamas gained control over Gaza a while back and kicked the PA out of there.
Even Egypt recognizes that the PA and Hamas are different. Egypt wants Abbas and the PA to control the Gaza/Egypt border and NOT Hamas. Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood have worked together, and Egypt wants nothing to do with either of them (Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood).
In the beginning when Hamas was first formed, Israel actually supported Hamas (under the surface) in order to provide an offset to Arafat and the PLO (the forerunner to the PA). But Israel realized their mistake and stopped helping Hamas after a while. Now Israel wishes they had never helped Hamas in the first place.
And lastly, the Palestinian Authority does not launch rockets into Israel. Hamas does and does so from Gaza and not Palestinian Authority territory. The Israeli reserve forces are not lined up around the Palestinian Authority territories, but they are lined up close to Gaza. Those forces are not going to invade Palestinian Authority territory, but they are preparing to invade Gaza.
I hope that clears some of it up for you ...
There are two problems with that ... one of which is that one cant force another country to take people in, when they dont want to. And its been made clear that they dont want to.
The other problem is that any country who forces any mass migration of a population out of an area in their military control is committing a war crime.
Well, contrary to the LIES that say Israel commits war crimes ... it doesnt ... by its own laws, its own pronouncements and declarations and by its own actions,
In addition to the above, Israel has already entered into peace treaties with Jordan and Israel in which they have committed to recognizing these Palestinians in these territories - PLUS - the legal documents and treaties theyve signed and agreed to through all their governments and Prime Ministers for the last twenty years committing Israel to coming to a final agreement forming a Palestinian State.
Youre a bit out of date with the legal documents and treaties that Israel has committed itself to ... I would say about 20+ years out of date ... :-) ...
The Palestinian Legislative Council is 74 Hamas, 45 Fatah and 13 other.
Is it genocide to to exterminate genocidal mohamicidal killers?
The Palestinian Authority doesn’t control or run Gaza and Hamas doesn’t control or run the West Bank (Judea and Samaria). They are sectioned off in each area.
Israel doesn’t deal with or talk to Hamas, but it does deal with and talk to the Palestinian Authority.
They are two different animals ... :-) ...
Wish it were that simple. Hamas and Fatah have now formed a unity government, which means that they have joint control of both Ghaza and the PA-controlled territory. How that works as a practical matter, I can only guess. Many towns in the PA have elected local Hamas-dominated govenments, and they would probably win a PA-wide election. The IDF does not need to invade PA territory, because Areas C and B are already garrisoned with IDF soldiers. They would have to invade Area A, where only Palis live, but unless they start firing rockets from those areas, the most they will do is an incursion to capture a wanted terrorist or confiscate weapons, or in the recent case, look for the bodies of victims.
I don't think he had very good luck with any of those arguments and he's probably glad he died before they could convict him ... :-) ...
That agreement is “in name only” as neither wants to give up control of their areas to the other. And I’ll guarantee you Israel is not going to allow Hamas any toe-hold in the West Bank ... :-) ...
The reason why that had to be “papered over” to pretend that there is a common government is that they (the Palestinian Authority) can’t say that they speak for all Palestinians when Hamas says that they are the only government in Gaza.
SO ... it’s a sham document, meant to carry political weight in the world environment, while “at home” ... it makes no practical difference at all.
Of course, that sham agreement does give Israel plenty of political ammunition to back off any further cooperation and progress in the negotiations with the Palestinian Authority while that “paper document” of the Unity Agreement” is still being used by the PA.
Toe-hold in Judah and Samaria? They own entire municipalities. If the IDF could eliminate the local governments in these towns, they would. But Dubya made everyone recognize them as a political party and allow their participation in elections, not just in Ghaza but in Judah and Samaria. Not one of his better ideas.
He thought it would make them take “responsibility”
I should add something here ... since the Palestinian government broke apart into two factions ... one in the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and one in Gaza ... when Fatah and Hamas had their war in Gaza (and Hamas took over) — that Palestinian Legislative Council has not even ONE TIME ever functioned again. It’s DEFUNCT today, as a result of the split with one another - the Palestinian Authority, versus, Hamas.
They reunited earlier this year into the Palestinian National Authority.
Will Lucy let Charlie Brown kick the football this time? But so far they haven’t started killing each other again yet.
I guess it depends on what one means by toe-hold. They don’t run the Palestinian Authority and control the West Bank. There’s a difference there as compared to Gaza ... :-) ...
In Ghaza, I don’t think Fatah can run anything anymore, after Hamas killed so many loyalists. But whatever it is, I’m against it.
It’s a sham and meant to deceive people on the world scene. It has no effect in who controls what areas - Gaza and the West Bank ... see post #18 ...
Well, most of them are either ethnic Egyptians (like Arafat) or Jordanians.
Is there an issue with that statement? (I assume there will be)
any country who forces any mass migration of a population out of an area in their military control is committing a war crime.
Well, I guess they're just going to have to continue with their "collateral damage" option then. The "Palestinians" overwhelmingly elected Hamas for their "Kill The Jews" position.
Israel has already entered into peace treaties with Jordan and Israel in which they have committed to recognizing these Palestinians in these territories - PLUS - the legal documents and treaties theyve signed and agreed to through all their governments and Prime Ministers for the last twenty years committing Israel to coming to a final agreement forming a Palestinian State.
Oh come on...how many freakin "Palestinian States" do they need? They already have Jordan, Syria and Israel...they're all "Palestinian States". Youre a bit out of date with the legal documents and treaties that Israel has committed itself to
I'd say they made some serious errors, which only prolonged the terrorist attacks. I don't see how the actions of the murderous moslems haven't rendered those treaties null and void....You could say "Out of date".
Israel basically doesn’t want the Palestinians inside Israel proper (changing the demographic there to predominantly ARAB and Muslim) ... and THAT is basically the ONE REASON and the one alone - why Israel is going to make sure there is a Palestinian State.
It’s a very odd quirk of fate that ISRAEL wants a Palestinian State more than the PALESTINIANS do ... :-) ...
And why doesn't it? Who else could possibly be blamed?
Every reasonable person in the world who’s been paying attention to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict understands that, at the very least, Hamas would not be a trustworthy negotiating partner. What kind of ‘’cease fire’’ can anyone expect when dealing with bloodthirsty maniacs whose principal mission in life is to destroy you?
So, at this point, for the Israeli Prime Minister to even think of sitting down at a negotiating table with a murderous Hamas terrorist would be a sell-out of Israel.
It’s been a very stressful week for Bibi Netanyahu, and maybe he’s so battle-fatigued and overwhelmed he just wants to sit down, period, anywhere.
But a negotiating table across from a Hamas maniac is not the place to do it. Netanyahu needs to take a rest at a hospital, and this should be strongly encouraged by his colleagues, so that someone else who’s operating on all cylinders at this crucial time can take over and save the day.
Egypt launches initiative to halt Israel-Palestinian conflict
Egypt launched an initiative on Monday to halt fighting between Israel and Palestinian militants, proposing a ceasefire to be followed by talks in Cairo on settling the conflict in which Gaza authorities say more than 170 people have died.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will convene his decision-making security cabinet on Tuesday to discuss the proposal on the Gaza violence, an Israeli official said.
[An] Israeli official seemed to put a positive face on the proposed truce, saying that Israel’s week-old offensive in Gaza had weakened the Islamist Hamas group militarily.
Two members of Netanyahu’s security cabinet suggested a truce might be in the works. “There are contacts all the time,” Communications Minister Gilad Erdan said when asked about the possibility of Kerry visiting Cairo.
Is there an issue with that statement? (I assume there will be) <<
You never answered this one.
It doesn’t matter to Israel, as long as they’re not in Israel proper. Call them anything you want or of any origin you want ... as long as they’re not in Israel proper to change the demographic of Israel into an ARAB State.
Well, I want to call them Egyptian and Jordanian criminals and riff-raff, and send them to “facilities” in those two countries.
The name is fine ... it’s the sending location you’re gonna have trouble with ... :-) ...
If only the UN wasn’t in NYC...I ask to send them there.
fta... ...Asked how he believes Israel should act now, he responded that the operation must continue, including ground entry. We need to finish the job. Doing half a job is worse than doing nothing.
Exactly the way most Americans and our military felt about Desert Storm. “Stormin’ Norman” wanted to press on and take out Saddam and all of his military and WMDs.
His commander, COLON Powell, disagreed and convinced Bush 41, the wimp, to pull out; thus permitting Saddam to rebuild. ...Then, after Saddam was taken down under Bush 43 and Iraq was much more stable, Obama pulled out the US military and permitted today’s situation in the whole region to come into being.
I hope that clears some of it up for you ...
Thanks for a very informative posting, Star T!
Israel accepts Egyptian cease-fire proposal
Israel’s security cabinet met Tuesday morning to discuss the Egyptian cease-fire proposal, as Operation Protective Edge enters its second week. According to the Egyptian proposal, a cease-fire would begin Tuesday at 9 A.M. local time.
A senior Israeli official said that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accepts the offer and will bring it to a vote. Economy Minister Naftali Bennett will reportedly vote against a cease-fire.
Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri already rejected the proposal late Monday night on the grounds that “we are still under occupation and resistance is the right of our people.”
Nobody is blaming Israel for bombing itself.
A lot of countries are rooting for Israel...especially Egypt.
Maybe those two can squeeze them out...like a big gut bomb.
Maybe Egypt is rooting against Hamas, but for Israel? Not out loud, at any rate.
Well, there's this:
Some Egyptians are even openly expressing hope that Israel will completely destroy Hamas
From here: Click it!