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Israel expected to accept Arab-backed truce
The Times of Israel ^ | Monday, July 14, 2014 | Itamar Sharon

Posted on 07/14/2014 8:42:23 PM PDT by Star Traveler

US and Palestinian Authority also support ceasefire terms, but Hamas appears set to refuse the offer.

Israel was poised to accept on Tuesday an Arab League-backed ceasefire deal with Hamas which would go into effect in the evening, Israeli officials indicated Monday night, as the terrorist group signalled that it would refuse the deal

Israeli media sites quoted diplomatic sources suggesting that Jerusalem was inclining to accept the Egyptian proposal. Earlier, sources told The Times of Israel that “Those proposals are being considered very seriously.”

If the cabinet accepts the ceasefire, it would be doing so despite staunch opposition from many in the Israeli right, including Jewish Home party head Naftali Bennett, who say Israel must deal Hamas a heavy military blow before a truce can be considered.

But as the US, the Arab League and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas all welcomed the ceasefire proposal, Hamas appeared to reject the idea, with spokesman Fawzi Barhum saying the group would not accept a truce without a fully-fledged deal to end hostilities.

“A ceasefire without reaching an agreement is rejected. In times of war, you don’t cease fire and then negotiate,” he told AFP.

He said Hamas had not received any official proposal and that “the weapons of the resistance are a red line.”

Earlier, Hamas’s former prime minister Ismail Haniyeh said in a televised speech that “countries are intervening” to stop the bloodshed, and that Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal was involved in “diplomatic moves,” but did not elaborate.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


TOPICS: Egypt; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: egypt; hamas; israel; stih; stisraelhamas; waronterror
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If Hamas doesn't accept this ... while Israel does ... then this is going to go really bad for Hamas and any support for them is going to evaporate ... which is all the better for Israel ... :-) ...
1 posted on 07/14/2014 8:42:23 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

The dance that has gone on for hundreds of years.

Do what ya gotta do Israel. Once and for all. End this.


2 posted on 07/14/2014 8:44:12 PM PDT by upchuck (The country is being billed for its own execution. ~ h/t: SpaceBar)
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To: Star Traveler

That’s said most any time with the same result.


3 posted on 07/14/2014 8:46:28 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Star Traveler
and that “the weapons of the resistance are a red line.”

Translation - "we refuse to stop firing rockets"


4 posted on 07/14/2014 8:47:08 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Star Traveler

“Expected” by whom?


5 posted on 07/14/2014 8:47:58 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!l)
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To: Star Traveler

Good. I hope Hamas keeps up the pressure so Israel could finally wipe them out. Regardless - the world will still back Hamas.


6 posted on 07/14/2014 8:50:17 PM PDT by SkyDancer (When the government is above the law, it's called fascism.)
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To: upchuck

There’s a problem with truly “ending” Hamas ... starting with the problem if it is actually possible at all. First let me start with something here ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3180125/posts

Quoting from article ...

On the other hand, Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is entirely relevant to the conflict. Netanyahu has chosen — correctly, on moral, factual, and strategic grounds — to do as much damage to Hamas in the Gaza Strip as can be done by the highly-capable Israeli military. Netanyahu knows, as Tony Blair admonished Israel this week, that he cannot entirely stamp out Hamas because it exists as a political and ideological entity, not only a terrorist force. But he can destroy vast parts of its networks, its command structure, and its rocket arsenal.

— — —

Now, for sake of discussion, let’s say you are able to end Hamas in Gaza (which I don’t think is possible because the price is way too high for Israel to pay) ... then Israel is faced with being a military government in charge of a civilian population, in which you would have thousands of Israeli soldiers as easy targets right inside Gaza.

Right now, Gaza is semi-autonomous, and the Israeli military doesn’t set foot inside there, leaving everything to the Hamas government. When a government’s military steps in and conquers an autonomous area (they’re not technically a country, although Israel has left them to be one, within certain constraints) — that country has to provide for the civil government, and initially that would necessarily be a military government until such time as Israel could set up local officials and elections and all the necessary infrastructure.

Now let me tell you - that - is the NIGHTMARE SCENARIO that Israel wants ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with.

I don’t think Israel would EVER do that and take over with a military government, and move to installing a new civilian government. You talk about “no cooperation” with the “locals” ... That would basically define Israel’s position there and open Israel up to the “occupation” argument and make things also worse politically in the world for Israel.


7 posted on 07/14/2014 8:53:18 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

~~~“A ceasefire without reaching an agreement is rejected. In times of war, you don’t cease fire and then negotiate,” he told AFP.

He said Hamas had not received any official proposal and that “the weapons of the resistance are a red line.”~~~

Enjoy your 72 virgins. By the way, that’s Satan telling you that.


8 posted on 07/14/2014 8:54:51 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: LUV W

It sounds like the Cabinet is leaking information ... :-) ...


9 posted on 07/14/2014 8:55:20 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SkyDancer

See Post #7 ...


10 posted on 07/14/2014 8:56:35 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

They ran out of targets?


11 posted on 07/14/2014 8:56:37 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Steven Tyler

Egyptian ceasefire proposal leaves Hamas cornered
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3180308/posts

Either the Islamists accept near-humiliating terms, or they risk isolation and a stepped-up Israeli military assault

[O]ne thing is certain: This is the darkest hour for the Hamas leadership in Gaza and abroad

If they accept the Egyptian proposal, they will be perceived as having been heavily defeated in the latest round of conflict with Israel; a defeat that is close to a humiliation.

That’s because the conditions in the Egyptian proposal do not include any of the demands that Hamas has been repeating day and night in the last few days. As reported in the Egyptian media, there is no mention in the proposal of Hamas’s oft-repeated demand for the release of the dozens of its operatives, freed in the 2011 Shalit deal, who were rearrested in recent weeks by Israeli forces in the West Bank in the wake of the murders of the three Israeli teenagers. There is also no concrete commitment regarding the opening of the Rafah border crossing or the payments of the salaries of Hamas’s 40,000 clerks in Gaza. And there is no mention whatsoever of the situation in the West Bank. All these demands were raised by the Hamas military wing two days after Israel began Operation Protective Edge, and repeated interminably ever since.

Yes, there is some language providing for the opening of the border crossings, and an easing of movement of people and goods via those crossings as permitted by the security situation. But that language is almost a direct repetition of the November 2012 ceasefire terms that brought Operation Pillar of Defense to a close. Time and again, Hamas’s leaders have been stressing in recent days that “there will be no return to the 2012 ceasefire terms.”


12 posted on 07/14/2014 9:00:01 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Support for them from whom is going to evaporate? From the European Union? Russia? Red China and North Korea? Iran?

They just did reject this.


13 posted on 07/14/2014 9:00:27 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Star Traveler
US and Palestinian Authority also support ceasefire terms, but Hamas appears set to refuse the offer.

Hamas has a commanding majority on the Palestinian National Authoritys Legislative Council.

14 posted on 07/14/2014 9:04:48 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Olog-hai

Israel’s Peres: World Leaders Support Our War Against Terrorism
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3180313/posts


15 posted on 07/14/2014 9:05:33 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Peres’ word is about as good as Obama’s.


16 posted on 07/14/2014 9:09:13 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: GeronL

Hamas and the Palestinian authority are competing against each other in their own respective territories with Hamas controlling Gaza and the P.A. controlling the West Bank. That so-called legislative body is non-functioning ... LOL ...


17 posted on 07/14/2014 9:09:30 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t think he was giving anyone his word ... he’s just telling people what they can already see from the reports themselves ... :-) ...


18 posted on 07/14/2014 9:11:25 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: upchuck

It’ll never end till the “Palestinians” are vanquished totally.


19 posted on 07/14/2014 9:18:07 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Star Traveler

I think the more interesting story here is the ‘illegitimate and unelected government of Egypt’ is, yet again, the cornerstone of this cease fire and negotiations.

I call that a win, no matter what happens.


20 posted on 07/14/2014 9:28:38 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Star Traveler

Too late, its been rejected. Hamas signed a death warrant. Their own. Now bomb them!


21 posted on 07/14/2014 9:32:09 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: Viennacon

Israel has been bombing them ... in case you missed the news reports ... :-) ... over 1,000 Hamas targets destroyed in about six days.


22 posted on 07/14/2014 9:34:00 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

I mean total carpet bombing. Destroy the seat of power.


23 posted on 07/14/2014 9:34:35 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: b4its2late

See Post #7 ...


24 posted on 07/14/2014 9:34:40 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

France news and other news on twitter reporting Hamas refused it because they see it as ‘surrender’.


25 posted on 07/14/2014 9:35:18 PM PDT by caww
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To: b4its2late

Agree. But some don’t. See number 7 above.


26 posted on 07/14/2014 9:35:39 PM PDT by upchuck (The country is being billed for its own execution. ~ h/t: SpaceBar)
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To: Viennacon

If Israel targeted Palestinian civilians in order to kill them and in order to get them to leave the country and force a mass migration of the population (which is exactly what the enemies of Israel claim it does) - then that would be a war crime.

If Israel targets Hamas operatives and Hamas buildings and war material, and avoid hitting Palestinian civilians (which is what Israel says it does and “does”) - then that is not a war crime.

The second of the two paragraphs is what Israel actually does and which the ENEMIES OF ISRAEL deny that they do. Also those who “feign support” for Israel also are the ones who urge Israel to commit war crimes (and Israel doesn’t listen to those “faux-supporters”).


27 posted on 07/14/2014 9:36:37 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: upchuck

...”The dance that has gone on for hundreds of years”....

Well Hamas won’t agree until the Arab nation leadership tells them they should. Palestinian issue is just the cannon fodder the Arab nations like to use.....and they sure as heck aren’t going to let Hamas have too much power which they can’t control.

Might be they’ll let Israel bomb away for awhile.....and we’ll hear the same old song about the woman and children being targeted and such that we always do.


28 posted on 07/14/2014 9:40:42 PM PDT by caww
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To: Star Traveler

The longer Gaza remains an independent region, the more people will die. That’s just a fact. Its not as if the people haven’t been given fair warning to flee. Everyone knows a larger war is coming.


29 posted on 07/14/2014 9:43:02 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: Viennacon

Israel doesn’t want it ... and Egypt sure doesn’t want it either ... :-) ...


30 posted on 07/14/2014 9:45:46 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
Hamas is sending citizens to the roof tops of buildings Israel has made known they will bomb, telling them they are sacrificing themselves for their cause....so they also can claim Israel is striking civilians...and show photos of such.

Here's what one of Hamas leaders stated yesterday


31 posted on 07/14/2014 9:47:55 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Israel is aware of that and they avoid falling into the trap that Hamas tries to set for them.


32 posted on 07/14/2014 9:49:38 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: caww
Hamas locates rocket launchers in heavily populated areas, using citizens as human shields...the people in those houses know quite well Hamas and will fore rockets from their area.

Hamas also stores 'weapon caches' among the people. This is in Central Gaza Strip.


33 posted on 07/14/2014 9:55:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: Viennacon
Hamas rocket shelling cpabilities in Israel


34 posted on 07/14/2014 9:58:35 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Some information here, too ...

Israel has hit over 1,000 Hamas targets in the last six days or so ... but even so ... it’s not as easy as one might think since Hamas has adjusted since the last incursion.

Hamas acting erratically but hardly harmed, sources say
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3180292/posts

Don’t believe the hype: Hamas isn’t desperate for a truces
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3179929/posts


35 posted on 07/14/2014 10:22:02 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Egyptian ceasefire proposal leaves Hamas cornered
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3180308/posts

Either the Islamists accept near-humiliating terms, or they risk isolation and a stepped-up Israeli military assault


HAMAS was ex Egyptian President Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhoods baby.

They ain’t gonna get a whole lot of luvin’ from Egypt’s now President el -Sisi


36 posted on 07/14/2014 10:34:57 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Viennacon

Yep!


37 posted on 07/15/2014 3:17:28 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> Hamas appears set to refuse the offer.

related thread:

Breaking: Hamas Fires Rockets on Israel After Egyptian ‘Truce’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3180372/posts


38 posted on 07/15/2014 3:44:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Star Traveler

Heard an NPR report this morning saying this was obama’s plan.


39 posted on 07/15/2014 3:51:52 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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Many rockets and terrorists’ weapons were
paid for by Obama and Kerry/Clinton/Huma to be used
against Americans and American allies.

The White House and Obama cheered
when an American boy was slaughtered.
It is HIS way (approved by the EXEMPT Congress).


40 posted on 07/15/2014 4:33:38 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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“As reported in the Egyptian media, there is no mention in the proposal of Hamas’s oft-repeated demand for the release of the dozens of its operatives...”

Too bad they’re not negotiating with the traitor Obama - he’d give them their operatives and everything else they asked for.


41 posted on 07/15/2014 4:39:05 AM PDT by madmominct
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Not surprised Israel trusts the abilities of the Egyptians to attempt a truce rather than Obama. Naturally Hamas rejects the idea.

Related threads

Breaking: Hamas Fires Rockets on Israel After Egyptian ‘Truce’

Israel accepts Egyptian cease-fire proposal

Hamas armed wing rejects truce ahead of Israeli gov’t talks on deal

Hamas Spokesman Rejects Ceasefire Proposal

Nationalist MKs Outraged Over Impending Ceasefire


42 posted on 07/15/2014 4:59:05 AM PDT by SJackson (government tampers with a freedom so fundamental, one shudders to think what lies ahead. Card Dolan)
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—— Israel must deal Hamas a heavy military blow ——

This begs the question....... have the known targets been destroyed?


43 posted on 07/15/2014 5:01:48 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. NEgypt.C. GOPc.+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: SkyDancer

Then the world would try crashing down on Israel. I hope they’d at least have a real ally in the world. Maybe Poland, because it’s certainly not America.


44 posted on 07/15/2014 5:11:36 AM PDT by wastedyears (Everything Obama does wrong is Bush's fault.)
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To: Star Traveler

What, you can’t rely on the PLO?


45 posted on 07/15/2014 5:15:26 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: canuck_conservative

Until we run out... then we’ll cry for a ceasefire.


46 posted on 07/15/2014 7:07:16 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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To: caww
Unfortuantely, there will never be peace until this type of bombing campaign is introduced: Nuclear detonation simulator 20kt airburst. Little fallout. Survivors can flee to Rafah and Israel can come in a month later, Raze the northern half of Gaza strip, creating a better buffer zone.
47 posted on 07/15/2014 7:54:32 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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It will come at some point in time....and it won’t just be Israel using these.


48 posted on 07/15/2014 8:50:20 AM PDT by caww
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To: DCBryan1

It will come at some point in time....and it won’t just be Israel using these.


49 posted on 07/15/2014 8:50:20 AM PDT by caww
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Thanks for the Information....as usual Hamas will always be dramatic as will the people.


50 posted on 07/15/2014 8:51:50 AM PDT by caww
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