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Keep up pressure for sane gun laws
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 15 july 2014

Posted on 07/15/2014 5:58:07 AM PDT by rellimpank

We could throw up our hands after a brazen gunman killed a photographer and then kept shooting at other people on a Saturday afternoon on a busy street in a neighborhood where shootings aren’t common.

The shooting added to a ceaseless toll of horror that seems to flow like a river of blood. Three others died and 29 were hurt by gunfire over the weekend. The Independence Day weekend before: 16 dead, more than 60 wounded. Tragedy compounding tragedy. Families burying their loved ones, children gunned down, all after a concerted effort by Chicago police to reduce the bloodshed.

The cops can do their best to keep a lid on what’s looking like a long and violent summer, but the problems run deeper — and throughout much of the city, if the Saturday shooting is any indication. Even normally tranquil Montrose Beach turned into a large brawl Sunday night that injured two police officers.

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; chicago; rkba
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1 posted on 07/15/2014 5:58:07 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

Chicago.


2 posted on 07/15/2014 5:59:34 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: rellimpank

How many more gun laws, Chicago?

How about GANG laws?


3 posted on 07/15/2014 6:02:30 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: rellimpank

Sane? Like banning all handguns within the city limits, because then everyone will be perfectly safe? Completely sane.

In Bizarro World.


4 posted on 07/15/2014 6:03:08 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: rellimpank

“a ceaseless toll of horror that seems to flow like a river of blood”
A toll that seems to flow like a river? A regular Shakespeare wrote this piece.


5 posted on 07/15/2014 6:03:29 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
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To: rellimpank

Every “gun law” ever passed is unconstitutional. The Second Amendment specifically forbids the passage of gun statutes.


6 posted on 07/15/2014 6:03:42 AM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: rellimpank

The definition of “sane” (or “common sense”) gun laws: placing unarmed law=abiding citizens at the mercy of armed criminals.


7 posted on 07/15/2014 6:03:42 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: rellimpank

We have sane gun laws! It’s called the second amendment. EVERYONE has the right to defend themselves.

It’s called taking personal responsibility but that’s a foreign concept to liberals


8 posted on 07/15/2014 6:04:44 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Dr.Deth

Handguns are not banned in the City of Chicago.


9 posted on 07/15/2014 6:06:14 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: rellimpank

Really no reason to comment here. N/A comments at the source. But...How many gun laws are on the books now? Roll’em all back and start over and I would be willing to debate them one at a time.

“Shall not be infringed” apparently doesn’t mean what I think it means....


10 posted on 07/15/2014 6:06:23 AM PDT by saleman
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To: rellimpank
"Sane" gun laws - like calling the police when a 6 year old makes a letter "L" out of a Pop Tart?

Our liberal elite betters always know what is best for us.


11 posted on 07/15/2014 6:09:04 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: rellimpank
So the 20,000+ other gun laws on the books are insane?
Thought so.
12 posted on 07/15/2014 6:11:33 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: ScottinVA

Too many Amish. Get rid of ‘em and problem solved.


13 posted on 07/15/2014 6:18:22 AM PDT by technically right
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To: rellimpank

The beauty of this happening in occupied territory is that maybe they’ll take down some of the nazis themselves in the process.


14 posted on 07/15/2014 6:19:32 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: rellimpank

15 posted on 07/15/2014 6:21:41 AM PDT by JPG ("So sue me". OK, we will.)
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To: rellimpank

We need to drop off these gun control advocates in the middle of Auburn Gresham unarmed. Let’s see if they hold true to their foolish convictions when urbanites start attacking them.


16 posted on 07/15/2014 6:27:42 AM PDT by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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To: rellimpank
...push for a state law banning the sale or delivery of assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines. The measure they were pushing also would require background checks for gun transfers. The sale of guns in Illinois now must be reported...

One, how many "assault weapons" are used to kill people? Depending on your definition of "assault weapon" it is a shockingly low number. The percentage of people killed by rifles - all rifles not just "assault weapons" - is something like about 3% of people killed with firearms. So going after "assault weapons" is going after something like a fraction of a percent of the problem. Why would anyone waste their time going after that and ignoring the other 99.xxx% of the problem?

Ban "high capacity" ammunition magazines? Right. Even though FBI statistics show most shooting incidents involve only a handful of shots. Another completely useless proposal from the "do something" crowd. Well, it does something - moves us closer to an un-Constitutional ban on all weapons. When these measures are in-effective as everyone with better than a room-temperature IQ knows they will be they'll have to do something else, something more. Ban some more, chip away some more at our freedoms.

The Legislature also should expand rules Chicago recently enacted regulating gun shops to cover the entire state. That could help solve the problem of the handful of gun establishments that are the source of a huge number of illegal guns recovered on the street.

The emphasis above is mine. Do you think the author actually read and/or considered what he wrote? Or is he merely regurgitating the party line, supporting the agenda? Consider what he said: the "...illegal guns..." so as I understand that, the firearms used to commit these crimes are, gasp (!) already illegal, or probably more precisely illegally possessed by the perpetrator(s) of the crimes. Hmmm, he is saying these criminals are already breaking numerous laws regarding possession of firearms; committing robberies, assaults, and murders... in other words not too likely (at all) to obey yet another law.

But that's what these liberal "leaders" and "lawmakers" propose. In fact that seems to be the only solution in the liberals' playbook: more laws, more restrictions. These criminals are violent and breaking the law? Liberal solution: further disarm the law-abiding victims. Idiocy, sheer idiocy. In fact, such an utterly stupid proposal no-one capable of tying their own shoes would make it, unless they have an ulterior motive. There has to be another reason these "liberals" and "progressives" want the law-abiding people disarmed. It has absolutely nothing to do with public safety.

17 posted on 07/15/2014 6:30:06 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: rellimpank

$hitcago’s problem isn’t it doesn’t have enough gun laws. It’s problem is it has too many gangs, too many crooked politicians, and too many Gibsmedats. Half of the city is a human sewer and the other half enables it.


18 posted on 07/15/2014 6:31:53 AM PDT by Gritty (Obama's governing as president of a Latin American republic, where only the president matters-MSteyn)
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To: rellimpank

From the article:

“Even normally tranquil Montrose Beach turned into a large brawl Sunday night that injured two police officers.”

As far as I know (and it’s difficult to determine, since the Chicago papers do their best to ignore mayhem involving particular demographics) no gun violence was involved in the Montrose Beach incident. Ditto recent (largely unreported) incidents of wilding and flash-mob looting in upscale near-North Side neighborhoods.

Those incidents are clear evidence that the problem in the city is the breakdown of the social contract, NOT the presence or absence of guns or gun laws. A significant fraction of the population of the city is sick in a sociological sense, and the papers (along with Rahm and the city power brokers) refuse to acknowledge that situation as the real problem.


19 posted on 07/15/2014 6:32:32 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: rellimpank

Everybody knows GUNS have been and still are ILLEGAL in Chicago,and Criminals have long been forbidden to use or possess guns, It isn’t Possible that ANY of this happened. So Why do Newspapers continue to print these LIES??


20 posted on 07/15/2014 6:39:12 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: 1rudeboy

A distinction without a difference....since the powers to be in Chicago continue to use every avenue at their disposal to confound the ruling by the courts than their gun control laws are unconstitutional!!!!!!


21 posted on 07/15/2014 6:40:16 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Gritty

But we are somehow debating the issue from liberal points of view. Liberals do not ever mention the violence perpetrated by the youth gangs. Probably that would be racist, so we can’t talk about that huge portion of the problem.


22 posted on 07/15/2014 6:48:10 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: ontap

A difference worthy of distinction, if you plan to actually debate someone over the state of gun control in Illinois, instead of whining about it.


23 posted on 07/15/2014 6:54:42 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: rellimpank

There is NO SANE gun law a criminal will abide by.

IDIOT WRITER!

MURDERED WITH A SHOELACE
Ashley ‘Nikki’ Read, 2 juries decided that the Death Penalty was the correct punishment for the RAPE and MURDER of this 8 year old.. ALL APPEALS have run out. Justice delayed is Justice DENIED!

TN Gov email is bill.haslam@tn.gov
615 741-2001

David Keen
http://murderpedia.org/male.K/k/keen-david.htm

This CHILD RAPIST HAS RUN OUT OF ALL 20 YRS OF APPEALS, TN GOV Halsam still has NOT SET AN EXECUTION DATE OR SIGNED A DEATH WARRANT, EMAIL HIM TO DO SO bill.haslam@tn.gov 615 741-2001 Phone calls are more effective.

This is 20 years of appeals. 24 YRS SINCE THE CRIME. TOOK ONLY THE DNA TO PROVE WHO DID IT, #1 SUSPECT. DNA & confession proved he raped, strangled to death with her OWN SHOE LACES 8 year old Ashley ‘Nicki’ Read and then threw her body in the river. Even helped hunt for what was thought to be a missing child.

COOKED TO DEATH IN HER CAR
Murder in Memphis, Deborah Groseclose
http://truecrimebookreviews.com/2011/06/murder-in-memphis-dorris-porch-rebecca-easley-deborah-william-groseclose/ This creep hired men to murder his young wife. Let them into the house, while he slipped out with the kids. She was Raped, stabbed, beatened, strangled until she passed out. Stuffed into the trunk of her car, which was then relocated down town, where she is still alive, she COOKED TO DEATH in the 100 + summer temps of Memphis. A anti-death penalty federal judge and 2 state supreme court judges kept blocking the use of the DP. They finally were retried, found guilty again, and given Life WITH parole. There is 1 sick sister left to fight the parole hearings.

GRUESOMELY MURDERED RACIST inspired
The Gruesome Story of a Murdered Tennessee Couple You May Have Never Heard – But That You Will Never Forget
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/13/the-gruesome-story-of-a-murdered-tennessee-couple-you-may-have-never-heard-about-but-that-you-will-never-forget/#

FBI: More Club and Hammer Homicides Than Rifle

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14107-fbi-more-club-and-hammer-homicides-than-rifle

More guns less crime
http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2012/07/28/assault-weapons-facts-vs-fiction/

WORST GENOCIDES IN HISTORY
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

Doctors kill 2,450% more Americans than all gun-related deaths combined
http://www.infowars.com/doctors-kill-2450-more-americans-than-all-gun-related-deaths-combined/


24 posted on 07/15/2014 6:56:52 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: GailA
And in Florida yesterday, a baseball bat was used to kill 3, 1 in critical condition.
25 posted on 07/15/2014 7:15:06 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Arab Spring is over. Welcome to the Jihadi Spring." Jonah Goldberg)
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To: rellimpank

These imbeciles are like the man who, after bashing himself on the back of his hand with a claw hammer, goes to a convenience store and buys a lottery ticket that wins him $2 for his $1 purchase price.

Concluding beyond any doubt that it was the bashing of his hand with the hammer that made him lucky, he begins a daily regimen of doing so, figuring that wealth will soon flow his way.


26 posted on 07/15/2014 8:30:01 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: rellimpank

merchants and advertisers need to see the guncontrol debate as toxic to their business.

side with the brady or Gifford campaigns means your company goes out of business


27 posted on 07/15/2014 8:32:59 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ThunderSleeps

a-salt-weapon.jpg,

28 posted on 07/15/2014 9:36:01 AM PDT by Foolsgold (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: rellimpank

Well until you get rid of the total corruption of city govt and the police dept then kill off the gangs things will never change.


29 posted on 07/15/2014 9:54:49 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 1rudeboy

That’s why it’s so unsafe!


30 posted on 07/15/2014 3:40:53 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: NonValueAdded

Memphis had 1 hit and run homicide of a bicyclist going across the nation. Then we had a another idiot runner, who had both ears plugged up with a head set music on full blare, that did not hear the Train, which can’t stop on a dime. Get killed, he was not facing the train. Did not hear the horn. Did not feel the vibrations of it either. Who in their right mind jogs on a RR track facing the wrong way?

Don’t people know the proper rules of the road any more? It is illegal to plug up both ears with ear buds for music. You have to be able to hear ER vehicles and trains.

Not to mention the 2 shootings that occurred yesterday.

My son was murdered with a 2 ft section for 4 x 4 fence post so the prep could get the jollies to see what it felt like to kill another human being. Jeremy was 16, with the physical and mental makeup of a 12 year old. He was just a few hundred yards from home, just over the RR tracks when he was ambushed and BEAT to death, 16 blows. His killer stood on the side lines watching the investigation, he bragged about his deed, took his friends to show it, made threatening phone calls from jail to kill any one who testified against him. 2 30 day physce test said he was a incurable social path. Now he is lose in TN having maxed out his ‘not so good’ behavior time.

I was rent less in making him serve every day possible. And resent the COMMIE APPEAL printing the names and a link to the CCW carry base.

I am a responsible gun owner who is a decent shot, heck I’m short, I can bring my CCW piece to Center mass and aim my body and I will hit a vital organ. And I’m not afraid to use it. I lock mine up along with my dangerous meds when my young great grands come visiting.

Recidivism
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?

Older study, Parole and Probation, but invaluable info. Probation and Parole: https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/ppvsp91.txt Again note only 45% were studied, so you have to multiply it out to get the accurate 100%.

Keep in mind the sampling was just 45%, they originally committed 25,900 crimes, when placed early release under ‘community’ supervision for parole and probation they then committed another 74,400 new crimes. That folks adds up to 100,300 crimes, and many times more than in victims. As there are multiple people affected when a child is raped or a person murdered.


31 posted on 07/15/2014 10:34:58 PM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: rellimpank

Sane gun laws? Fine. Repeal the GCA of ‘68, The NFA of ‘34, the Lautenberg Amendment, that little number Daddy Bush signed to limit the pool of new Class III arms in the hands of civilians, for a start...just 19,996 laws to go...


32 posted on 07/15/2014 10:39:26 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: technically right

Arm ‘em. The good and bad will sort it out.


33 posted on 07/16/2014 1:27:21 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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