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The costly fantasy of impeaching Obama: The way to punish a president is at the polls
The Washington Times ^ | July 14, 2014 | Wesley Pruden

Posted on 07/15/2014 9:12:27 AM PDT by EveningStar

The Democrats owe a growing debt to the Republican red-hots pursuing the fantasy of impeaching Barack Obama. They're collecting a lot of cash -- probably not as much as they claim, but a lot -- from the naive and excitable folks in the Democratic base. Outrage is easily convertible to cash, as every bagman knows, and the Republicans should get a cut of it. Fair is fair.

Sarah Palin, who as a former governor knows better than to confuse hoping with doing, is leading the baying hounds this week. She told an audience the other day that "the many impeachable offenses of President Obama can no longer be ignored. If after all this, he's not impeachable, then no one is."

She's right about that second part. No one is. We've tried impeachment twice, and neither time the weapon worked.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fantasy; impeachment; obama; palin; sarahpalin; uniparty; wesleypruden
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1 posted on 07/15/2014 9:12:27 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Let’s impeach Nov. 7. or the day after the election, whichever is soonest.


2 posted on 07/15/2014 9:15:15 AM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: EveningStar

So who else besides Sarah is calling for impeachment?

(crickets...)


3 posted on 07/15/2014 9:15:38 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: EveningStar

Articles if Impeachment need to be written and updated as required. They should be published on the web for all to see and be able to consult.


4 posted on 07/15/2014 9:16:26 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: EveningStar
The polls aren't a good bet, as long as people on welfare can vote.

States can remove their right to vote, just like for felons.

Not holding my breath though.

5 posted on 07/15/2014 9:17:16 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: EveningStar

It’s too late for that.


6 posted on 07/15/2014 9:17:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: EveningStar

:: We’ve tried impeachment twice, and neither time the weapon worked. ::

Just food for thought...we’ve tried a socialist president once and it didn’t work.

To quote “Curly” Howard:
“If at first you don’t succeed, keep on sucking ‘till you do you succeed.”


7 posted on 07/15/2014 9:18:10 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: EveningStar
I agree, we need to wait till we win the Senate in Nov.
8 posted on 07/15/2014 9:18:16 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: EveningStar
The costly fantasy of NOT impeaching Obama (before or after Nov 4th).
9 posted on 07/15/2014 9:19:29 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: EveningStar

Impeach Holder. The time to do this is years overdue. We have an actual criminal running the Justice Department and congress does nothing about it.


10 posted on 07/15/2014 9:19:30 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The GOPe is certainly opposed to impeachment because they don’t think it helps them win the next election.....


11 posted on 07/15/2014 9:19:32 AM PDT by Nextrush (OBAMACARE IS A BAILOUT FOR THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY)
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To: Paladin2

Know what...that ain’t a bad idea.

I’d vote for a conservative that composed his own Articles of Impeachment and gave them to the citizens on January 20.


12 posted on 07/15/2014 9:20:24 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: EveningStar

It is possible to do two things at once. Beat the traitorous criminals at the voting booth and impeach the Clown Prince. Even if he isn’t convicted by a compromised senate...the cretin’s impeachment is on record.


13 posted on 07/15/2014 9:20:27 AM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: TexasCajun

Talking about impeachment openly right now is only handing the enemy ammo. Let’s shut up until we shoot and shovel in November.


14 posted on 07/15/2014 9:20:43 AM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: EveningStar

From a political perspective, impeaching Obama will be a plus for Democrats and a plus for Obama. Republicans will lose more than just the vote in the Senate, which they cannot win in any case. Impeachment, as a political act, cannot go forward unless success is assured and success will never be assured without strong public sentiment that favors drastic action. We have not come close to reaching that threshold.


15 posted on 07/15/2014 9:21:40 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: EveningStar
We've tried impeachment twice

What do you mean, WE, Wesley?

16 posted on 07/15/2014 9:24:11 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: EveningStar

Although I believe there are ample grounds for impeachment and removal, I understand the argument that it is a political impossibility in the current climate, and thus not a prudent action for the Republicans to take.

But I expect Wes Pruden to understand that the goal is not to “punish the president” but to save the nation while there MAY yet be hope. The goal is to make it impossible for him to continue the damaging and potentially fatal course on which he has embarked as captain of the American ship of state.

At the very least, Republicans ought to be arguing that America is at great risk every second Obama remains in the White House, and they ought to be trying to move public opinion in that direction by making the case for impeachment in every conceivable public forum, if not yet in Congress.


17 posted on 07/15/2014 9:25:12 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: EveningStar

We need all three branches in order to get anything done and to reverse the immorality that has been the cornerstone of this administration. Our country is becoming a big Chicago.


18 posted on 07/15/2014 9:25:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: EveningStar

I’m not interested in punishment. I want him stopped from doing further harm to the military and our society as a whole. But getting him out of office would leave us with somebody in office who obviously has reduced mental capacity and who hold views that are at least as harmful. At least Biden does not hate America. He just believes in policies that will do further harm.


19 posted on 07/15/2014 9:25:35 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: centurion316

Wrong.


20 posted on 07/15/2014 9:26:09 AM PDT by TauntedTiger (Keep away from the fence!)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
My old House Rep, Pete Olson, has Articles of Impeachment already drown up!

11-14-2-13

http://olson.house.gov/2013-press-releases/olson-introduces-articles-of-impeachment-against-eric-holder/

21 posted on 07/15/2014 9:27:00 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: EveningStar

#1 - Obama is being accused of vote tampering. That’s one of the reasons why he should be impeached. The IRS scandal is the biggest voter harassment story, but it’s not the only one.

#2 - The President keeps promising to “go it alone” - i.e. without Congress. From immigration to jobs to the environment the President keeps telling us that he will take action if the Congress won’t.

#3 - WHEN IS SOMEONE GOING TO START FIGHTING THIS GUY???????????????????????????


22 posted on 07/15/2014 9:28:08 AM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: EveningStar

Except for one fact. If impeached, all executive actions are voided. That is an attractive prospect.


23 posted on 07/15/2014 9:28:28 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: dead

Holder gone would unleash the floodgates. Obama might resign.


24 posted on 07/15/2014 9:29:08 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Tzimisce

:: #3 - WHEN IS SOMEONE GOING TO START FIGHTING THIS GUY??????????????????????????? ::

You a racist.
End of discussion.
Shut-up and assimilate.


25 posted on 07/15/2014 9:29:46 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: EveningStar; KC_Lion

Et tu Washington Times?


Sarah Palin, who as a former governor knows better than to confuse hoping with doing, is leading the baying hounds this week.


Leading the baying hounds? She sure gets under a lot of DC skin, doesn’t she?

Oh, and the WT chose a couple of unflattering pics of Sarah to go along with this *piece* on her — they also conveniently included the “most Americans are over Sarah Palin” poll, embedded in this *article*.

Stay classy, WT...you’re coming across more like HuffPo or other lefty sites. Maybe I’ve missed something and this going after Sarah Palin, by the WT, is nothing new.


26 posted on 07/15/2014 9:30:57 AM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
It’s too late for that.

I agree on too late for impeachment and elections.

There is a rogue politician on the loose and he is pushing (I strongly believe) for a physical show down with the people in order to stay in power after 2016.

27 posted on 07/15/2014 9:31:00 AM PDT by llevrok (Straight. Since 1950.)
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To: EveningStar

If he were to be impeached would he still be able to retire on our dime?


28 posted on 07/15/2014 9:35:26 AM PDT by JayAr36 (OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN THIS A FREE COUNTRY)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
If impeached, all executive actions are voided.

What part of the Constitution is that in?

/johnny

29 posted on 07/15/2014 9:35:32 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: centurion316
Impeachment, as a political act, cannot go forward unless success is assured and success will never be assured without strong public sentiment that favors drastic action.

Seventy Percent of the Public opposed ObamaCare so they should not have gone forward because they couldn't win, is that your position?

30 posted on 07/15/2014 9:38:19 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: MUDDOG
The polls aren't a good bet, as long as people on welfare can vote.

States can remove their right to vote, just like for felons.

Really?

31 posted on 07/15/2014 9:39:28 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Our country is becoming a big Chicago.

Our country has became a big Chicago.

32 posted on 07/15/2014 9:39:31 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: dead
Impeach Holder.

That is the no-brainer, must-do. I don't know why more people aren't talking about THAT.

33 posted on 07/15/2014 9:41:08 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: TexasCajun
The likelyhood of the liberal republicans winning a Senate Majority in November is slipping away with their attacks on conservatives.

Even if the liberal republican leadership had a majority in the Senate, they are liberal. They aren't going to impeach Obama.

/johnny

34 posted on 07/15/2014 9:41:21 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: All

I have yet to hear the roar of impeachment for the fact of protecting the Republic, the Constitution and the Rule of Law.

I note that most posts, and talk, center around the issue of politics in re: impeachment. It’s all what’s good/bad for the XYZ Party (polls or the next vote).

Sad to see such from this board, at the least. I expected as much from the GOP/RNC. Either lay out how the man has overstepped, ruled from on high, acted again the Republic, etc. and go for impeachment (win or lose) or finally admit the Republic and Constitution have long been dead. This is NOT some popularity contest, and I would stand up for anyone willing to go the gambit than stick their finger to the wind while the Country burns in the background.


35 posted on 07/15/2014 9:41:42 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: EveningStar
Wesley Pruden

Another Vichy Republican.

More than willing to surrender before the shot is fired.


36 posted on 07/15/2014 9:43:20 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: TexasCajun

Re: “I agree, we need to wait till we win the Senate in November.”

If the election was held today, we would win only 4 of the 6 Democrat seats we need for a majority.

We also have a very real risk of losing a Republican seat in Kentucky or Georgia.

Link:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/election_2014/battle_for_congress.html


37 posted on 07/15/2014 9:44:42 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: EveningStar

The threat of impeachment was once a major factor in limiting presidential abuse (see Nixon) but that threat is only relevant to Caucasian presidents.


38 posted on 07/15/2014 9:49:58 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: EveningStar
To begin, Obama richly deserves impeachment and removal from office for the high crime of abuse of presidential power. Therefore it is playing into the hands of the Left to poo-poo advocates like Sarah Palin, a private citizen calling for redress of grievances.

In politics, as in so much of life, timing is everything--and to attempt impeachment now, with the current Senate, would be a mistake. It is not a mistake however, for serious voices to speak of impeachment publicly, now, and to address it as a respectable option that could and should be considered. The idea needs to be made valid to the public, whether or not it is ever enacted.

Discussion about impeachment for abuse of power will focus the public on the real issue. It will help to organize peoples' thinking about why Obama is a threat to the nation, clarify the malfeasance that has been perpetrated, and pressure the republican majority to begin to act like a loyal opposition instead of a feckless peanut gallery.

During the Nixon hearings the nation was exposed at times to some truly sober and eloquent discussion of profound issues of governance.

Impeachment hearings on Obama, whether they ever lead to impeachment or not, will be an unrivalled opportunity for serious people to educate the public on what has been done to them by their government while they slept, what are the legitimate restraints on government power that have been abused, and what are the needs for reparation.

39 posted on 07/15/2014 9:52:42 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Paladin2
Articles if Impeachment need to be written and updated as required. They should be published on the web for all to see and be able to consult.

Yes, at the very least.

I would hope that folks here who don't want to proceed with impeachment should at least be for writing articles of impeachment.

40 posted on 07/15/2014 9:52:43 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: EveningStar

Why should Bohner fight it ? He would be 2nd in line and become VP.


41 posted on 07/15/2014 9:53:00 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: itsahoot

I do not support any impeachment action if the Senate will not convict. Conviction requires a vote of two thirds of the members present. That is not going to happen in the current Senate and will not happen in the new Senate even if the Republicans take control. It is a fools’ errand and the conservative movement will pay a big price if anyone is stupid enough to go forward with this.


42 posted on 07/15/2014 9:53:09 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: itsahoot

I do not support any impeachment action if the Senate will not convict. Conviction requires a vote of two thirds of the members present. That is not going to happen in the current Senate and will not happen in the new Senate even if the Republicans take control. It is a fools’ errand and the conservative movement will pay a big price if anyone is stupid enough to go forward with this.


43 posted on 07/15/2014 9:53:35 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Responsibility2nd

He’s worth more in office than out (I almost used different phraseology but the NSA are listening).

I know it seems a forlorn hope, but Obama is doing more to poison liberalism than 100 Jimmy Carters and a 1,000 LBJ’s could ever hope to do.

All sides now concede that his race is as irrelevant as his shoe size. He is the leftist dream personified and all have realized what a nightmare it truly is.


44 posted on 07/15/2014 9:53:45 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: Principled
Really?

Yes, as far as I can tell. In fact some states had such "pauper laws" as late as the 1930s. I'm aware of no court case striking them down. (The states themselves eliminated them by legislation.)

There's a poster on FR who's a real expert on this. He posted to a lot of links about it to me either last fall or earlier this year. Unfortunately I don't recall his screenname. I posted about this before I heard from him, but my research using google didn't turn up anything like what he had.

45 posted on 07/15/2014 9:55:52 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: MUDDOG

Imagine the wailing!

Actually it would be a very, very constructive move.


46 posted on 07/15/2014 9:58:22 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is all I could find in a few minutes. I’m sure there is more.

Impeachment

Palin is hardly the first GOP politician to raise the issue of impeachment over the past couple years. Others include Sens. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and Tim Scott (R-S.C.), Reps. Blake Farenthold (R-Tex.), Kerry Bentivolio (R-Mich.), Michael Burgess (R-Tex.) and Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), former congressmen Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) and Allen West (R-Fla.), and the South Dakota Republican Party. Not all of these folks called for Obama’s impeachment directly, but all of them suggested that it is or should be on the table.

Joni Ernst

Who Is She: GOP Senate nominee in Iowa, Iowa state senator, Iowa Army National Guard lieutenant colonel

What She Said: “[President Obama] is absolutely overstepping his bounds. And I do think that he should face those repercussions. Whether that’s removal from office, whether that’s impeachment.” Ernst also said that Obama has “become a dictator” and “is not following our constitution.”

Alan Keyes

Andrew McCarthy
Half of Faithless Execution is comprised of McCarthy’s draft Articles of Impeachment.

The South Dakota Republican Party

Who Are They: 191 state party delegates, who voted to pass an official resolution.

What They Said: “WHEREAS, The president has violated his oath of office in numerous ways with the latest being the release of five terrorists in exchange for a soldier without consulting Congress as required by law … the president of the United States has willfully and wantonly lied to the American people telling them they can keep their insurance company, and they can keep their doctor under Obama Care, prior to an election … THEREFORE, be it resolved that the South Dakota Republican Party calls on our U.S. Representatives to initiate impeachment proceedings against the president of the United States.”

Some wonder if such a proposal would have support in the Senate, but Republican Senator James Inhofe says that if Republicans take the Senate, impeachment will become a very real possibility.

The facts are clear. Barack Obama has failed in his constitutional responsibility to uphold the Constitution and protect the rights of the American people. On top of that, he has also irreparably damaged America’s international reputation through his numerous foreign policy failures and set our nation back in so many other ways. And Congressman Paul Broun agrees that this is more than enough substantive evidence.

The Austin-American Statesman reports that LaRouche Democrat and U.S. Senate candidate Kesha Rogers of Texas is calling for the impeachment of Democratic President Barack Obama. She summarises the chargeson her website. One charge is:

Violation of the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which states that no person shall “be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North has said that anyone else would have been impeached by now. And Texas Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst is standing for state officials in saying that Obama must be impeached to protect state interests.

Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), who is also a candidate for Senate, indicated during a candidate forum hosted by the Gilmer County GOP and Gilmer County Tea Party that he would support impeachment proceedings against Barack Obama. The forum, which was held on Saturday, also included fellow Republican Senate candidates Derrick Grayson, Eugene Yu, Karen Handel, and Art Gardner.

An attendee posed the following question to the candidates. “Clinton was impeached for perjury. Obama has perjured himself on multiple occasions. Would you support impeachment if presented for a vote?”

Broun, Grayson and Yu each raised their hands in the affirmative.


47 posted on 07/15/2014 10:06:25 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Jane Long
Re: “Washington Times...you’re coming across more like HuffPo or other lefty sites.”

The WT has been moving slowly, but steadily, to the Left for about 4 years.

The newspaper has never earned a profit.

Since 2010, its outside funding (previously from the Unification Church) and its ownership structure have been in a state of constant turmoil.

Around 2010, they also hired a senior editor from the Associated Press, which is when the change in political tone became obvious to me.

48 posted on 07/15/2014 10:06:52 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: EveningStar

And obviously the Republicans do not want campaign cash.


49 posted on 07/15/2014 10:09:22 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Principled
Imagine the wailing!

My prediction is that Obama's psyche could not handle impeachment from the US House. In fact, he would explode and do some serious banal moves that would eventually get even some Democratic US Senators to vote to remove him from office.

50 posted on 07/15/2014 10:12:21 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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