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Here's How Conservatives Want To Fundamentally Change The Way The US Pays For Highways
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Posted on 07/15/2014 9:00:07 PM PDT by TigerClaws

The House of Representatives is set to vote Tuesday on a short-term patch to the federal Highway Trust Fund, an issue that is making for interesting alliances on Wednesday.

The White House signaled late Monday night that President Obama supports the short-term patch hatched out of the House Ways and Means Committee, even though he and many congressional Democrats are grumbling about the lack of a longer-term fix. But leading the way in opposition to the plan are conservative groups and lawmakers who want transportation policy to fundamentally change within the next year.

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1 posted on 07/15/2014 9:00:07 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

This is a really bone-headed idea that is being proposed.


2 posted on 07/15/2014 9:05:21 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: TigerClaws

Why does the Federal Government have to be involved in it at all? If a highway is beneficial for trade to both states as most highways are, there is no reason the states could not get together and arrange a joint construction project.

Of course, we need federal masterminds.


3 posted on 07/15/2014 9:08:24 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: Viennacon

The Feds need to be reinvented, sans the 99% fluff.


4 posted on 07/15/2014 9:11:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Besides having this funding for highways done by the individual states themselves and totally within the state on its own, I’m not really sure what it is that is being proposed by “conservatives” here in this article.


5 posted on 07/15/2014 9:14:03 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

What I’d fear, and perhaps it is cynical, is that this wouldn’t cut federal taxes any even if state taxes and revenues were 100% responsible for the highway system within a state.


6 posted on 07/15/2014 9:17:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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What happened to all the shovel-ready, infrastructure money?


7 posted on 07/15/2014 9:18:51 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well ... one thing I suspect here in Oklahoma, with the amount of money that is in this state (or rather, NOT in this state) ... is that we would be soon driving on dirt and gravel roads here ... LOL ...

OR ... the other thing that would happen is that I would be paying a TOLL fee every time I drive to the neighborhood grocery store ... :-) ...

Already in Tulsa, there are more TOLL ROADS here than I’ve seen in any other area. There’s a toll going south out of town, there’s a toll going east out of town, there’s a toll going west out of town, there are several tolls around town! It’s already crazy with the present funding the way it is.


8 posted on 07/15/2014 9:24:28 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Is clear highway diesel still taxed at around 24 cents a gallon or has it gone up again? I wonder what would become of that Federal tax since I didn't see it mentioned in the article

Not a cent of any highway fuel tax should go to Mass Transit BS, IMHO, and the tax on Diesel should vanish completely since it's really a tax we pay on absolutely everything that hits the retail shelves, not a tax on Diesel fuel other than in name. The Federal tax on Diesel should vanish just like gasoline tax which should be ended completely, not reduced to about 4 cents.

9 posted on 07/15/2014 9:27:39 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Star Traveler
The Federal grubs handling highway money is always defended by pointing to States that need help.

In reality, though, it's not disbursed according to need as much as according to where the party that's run the country for the past eighty plus years gets the most political return on their investment in a given year.

If they feel a traditional district of theirs is a bit wobbly, more money goes there. If a State Governor is meeting more resistance than usual, that State is suddenly in need of an extra allotment. Some City Mayor in trouble politically? Federal money for the "critical" streets or an infusion of Mass Transit funds for new or existing Mass Transit will show up a hurry. Did the democrat party loose a Governorship? Well, that State doesn't need as much as it had been getting and may suddenly find out they've been "overpaid" in the past so there will be a noticeable drop in cash from the Federal government for a good while, probably about four years.

I could see a small tax somewhere for the Interstate Highways only but there's no such thing as a "lock box" or any other assurance the Federal government makes that keeps various things from quietly being included in one budget item as opposed to another. Interstate Highway only funds would wind up in environmental study grants, community grants, and so on, no matter what the law actually intends.

You can't reduce the size of the eggs a Golden Goose lays and expect that to keep unstoppable thieves from stealing the eggs. You have to either get rid of the Goose laying those golden eggs or put up with the thieves stealing all they can and keep forcing the Goose to lay faster until it finally dies of exhaustion.

10 posted on 07/15/2014 9:48:16 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Star Traveler

And don’t forget, you’re still paying federal gas taxes.


11 posted on 07/15/2014 9:48:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: TigerClaws

Highway bills are always stuffed with pork.


12 posted on 07/15/2014 9:53:01 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: TigerClaws

Mandated pay scales or Union wage is what needs to be addressed

Currently a fork lift driver on a Los Angeles Freeway projects gets over $58 per hour for instance

We can’t afford to maintain our infrastructure at those rates


13 posted on 07/15/2014 10:01:48 PM PDT by jcon40
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To: Star Traveler

Interstate transportation ping


14 posted on 07/15/2014 10:02:13 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: TigerClaws

All the evidence here in Silicon Valley is that there’s plenty of money for plenty of projects everywhere. Berryessa Road near the flea market, almost every exit/entry from south of San Jose to Gilroy, and half of the Salinas exits are just what come to mind immediately.


15 posted on 07/15/2014 10:26:23 PM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: Star Traveler

Compare Oklahoma’s highway funds with things like the”Big Dig” in Boston(a billion dollars per mile) and commuter rail and subway expansion at hundreds of millions per mile.


16 posted on 07/15/2014 10:29:42 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Cynical?!?! You could make bank on it!


17 posted on 07/15/2014 10:43:20 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"...What I’d fear, and perhaps it is cynical, is that this wouldn’t cut federal taxes..."

I don't know why, but that statement made me chuckle. Not only will it NOT result in reduced Federal taxes, State taxes are almost certainly going to go up.

In a sane world...yes. Federal taxes would go down.

The Federal Highway Funds have rankled me for years. As other people have noticed, it is simply a giant slush fund used to reward and penalize behavior on part of states.

My understanding is states are allotted a certain percent, but a given state can get more if a politician needs candy, and can get less if they don't follow Federal guidelines on anything from Common Core to Affirmative Action.

18 posted on 07/16/2014 2:35:56 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: TigerClaws

And just who ran the hwy fun BROKE? with shovel ready, show jobs, of putting in those fancy medians with flowers? Wheel chair ramps on ever street crossing? Repaving Military base parking lots that did not need them and installing $7K speed bumps in 5 mph parking lots on Military bases? Commissary and Exchange for the Millington TN BUPERS Navy base. No other offices got them, just places used my most seniors.


19 posted on 07/16/2014 4:32:38 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: Viennacon
"Why does the Federal Government have to be involved in it at all?"

You need national, state, and local roads. In spite of what you say, roads that cross jurisdictions almost always change in quality. Not just interstates or US highways but states roads also. Or when a city street becomes a county road. In Texas where each County Commissioner controls the road/bridge money in his precinct, the roads can change drastically at the precinct line.

If you are talking about Interstates and US Highways, the federal money available covers only maintanance and essentially nothing for new roads.

When the Interstate system was designed and built it was primarily an east west system but because of population shifts and NAFTA, we need more/better north south roads.

Nobody wants to talk about it but all over the world we see nations integrating their roads. When the subject of the US and Mexico integrating roads comes up, the kooks start howling about the North American Union.

I don't mean to be cynical but this road issue is like many, many other issues. The GOP's unspoken agenda is to de-plumb and de-wire the federal government before the brown people take over. Rolling back the 20th century.

20 posted on 07/16/2014 9:54:13 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Star Traveler

I could not figure that one out either.


21 posted on 07/17/2014 1:52:36 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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