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Rick Perry Is Dead Wrong
Politico ^ | 7/14/2014 | SEN. RAND PAUL

Posted on 07/16/2014 1:58:59 AM PDT by South40

There are many things I like about Texas Gov. Rick Perry, including his stance on the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution. But apparently his new glasses haven’t altered his perception of the world, or allowed him to see it any more clearly.

There are obviously many important events going on in the world right now, but with 60,000 foreign children streaming across the Texas border, I am surprised Governor Perry has apparently still found time to mischaracterize and attack my foreign policy.

Governor Perry writes a fictionalized account of my foreign policy so mischaracterizing my views that I wonder if he’s even really read any of my policy papers.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/rick-perry-is-dead-wrong-108860.html#ixzz37cVzvgfI

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1 posted on 07/16/2014 1:58:59 AM PDT by South40
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To: South40

I was wondering what this article was about when I saw that it said Rick Perry is Dead Wrong. When I saw it was RAND PAUL who wrote it, I already knew who was dead wrong, and that’s Rand Paul, himself.

I don’t even want to hear what Rand Paul has to say because he’s already dead wrong on too many other things, even if - perchance - he might be right on a thing or two.

It’s true ... the NUT doesn’t fall far from the tree!


2 posted on 07/16/2014 2:11:10 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: South40
Immature cheap shot at the glasses and a naked attempt to raise a negative inference in the mind of the reader with regards to Perry's responsibility vis-a-vis the current border crisis--and that's just the first two paragraphs.

Hamfisted, amateurish and with a dash of thin-skinned petulance. Not a good tone for a supposed serious presidential contender.

3 posted on 07/16/2014 2:12:38 AM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: South40

Ted Cruz is laughing.


4 posted on 07/16/2014 2:15:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: South40
Rand Paul: “main difference is I wouldn’t have people be forced to go home.”

He is against deportation.

A Nutcase

5 posted on 07/16/2014 2:22:58 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: South40

Ru Paul, the DemocRat ...


6 posted on 07/16/2014 2:32:17 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: South40

Ahhhh.... Rand Paul has ‘policy papers’?

What a laugh.


7 posted on 07/16/2014 2:33:17 AM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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To: South40

Immature Tard.

He only runs his mouth so he can stand in front of a mirror, amazed at his erudite stupidity and sophomoric adolescent narcissism.

Bottom line is we are going to have to go back and escalate.

Much like we did in Gulf War I, then ratcheting up the consequences in Gulf War II.

We showed up and did “A Thing” but, never prosecuted a permanent solution.

Reminds me of WWI which beget WWII. We finished the job and changed the outcome permanently.

We will go back to Iraq and go Pall Mall on the terrorists. If only so we don’t have to come back for generations and ensure peace of a lasting permanence.

I hate we will have to go back but, I hate even more the consequences of not settling the issue, once and for all.


8 posted on 07/16/2014 2:36:23 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: South40

Rick has gotten under Rand’s skin. That is a bad characteristic for a leader. Topping it off Paul mischaracterizes the history of Reagan’s presidency.

Other than that, Rand May have a point


9 posted on 07/16/2014 2:37:22 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
This is where many in my own party, similar to Perry, get it so wrong regarding Ronald Reagan’s doctrine of “peace through strength.” Strength does not always mean war. Reagan ended the Cold War without going to war with Russia. He achieved a relative peace with the Soviet Union—the greatest existential threat to the United States in our history—through strong diplomacy and moral leadership.

Reagan had no easy options either. But he did the best he could with the hand he was dealt. Some of Reagan’s Republican champions today praise his rhetoric but forget his actions. Reagan was stern, but he wasn’t stupid. Reagan hated war, particularly the specter of nuclear war. Unlike his more hawkish critics—and there were many—Reagan was always thoughtful and cautious.

I don't see the "mischaracterization". I have no love for Paul but that's Reagan's policy as I remember it.

10 posted on 07/16/2014 2:58:09 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: raybbr

Rand Paul got it wrong by leaving out a a crucial element of Reagan’s policy, which was having a strong military. That is what “peace through strength” means—the term does NOT refer to diplomacy.

As long as we have the military might to back up our words, we can be diplomatic. Without that might, diplomacy only serves to give time to the enemy to plan and prepare their attack.


11 posted on 07/16/2014 3:10:32 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: South40

The fruit didn’t fall far from the tree.


12 posted on 07/16/2014 3:22:17 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: South40
Kind of amazing how, 6 months ago, many were considering Paul to be a suitable candidate. We have become so knee-jerk that we jump over someone who says something good, and we also trash the really good ones for something they are rumored to have said/thought.

We have no united face and the enemy is solidly united - we are doomed.

13 posted on 07/16/2014 3:23:11 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: South40

“children” ?

WHO needs the glasses ?


14 posted on 07/16/2014 3:36:52 AM PDT by kingattax (a real American would rather die on his feet than live on his knees.)
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To: Star Traveler

#2

Damn right.
Rand Paul learned foreign policy from his isolationist daddy.
He will always choose to weaken America militarily because that’s what he believes will make America stronger.
That’s isolationist logic for you.
He is never to be trusted.
I am quite literally as likely to cast a vote for John Kerry for president as Rand Paul.


15 posted on 07/16/2014 3:40:41 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Star Traveler

When Republican A attacks Republican B you can bet than Republican B is trying to ingratiate himself with...Democrats.

Sen. Paul is already on record with his ‘we’ll take all comers’ rhetoric about those hard-working immigrants (no welfare state for them! No sir!). It’s blown up in his face and scuttled his political ambition beyond Kentucky and he has no one to blame but himself.

Sad because he had some promise but Potomac Fever is a virulent disease.


16 posted on 07/16/2014 3:45:24 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: relictele

Oh pshaw - I meant ‘Republican A is trying....’


17 posted on 07/16/2014 3:46:06 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: South40

So then Rand with all the interlopers streaming across out southern border you take time out to write this article instead of doing something the protect the state of Texas from invasion.

You are a dumb a## clown.


18 posted on 07/16/2014 3:48:04 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: South40

The Governor has the Senator on the run...... the running off at the mouth.

Go Rick

Until Scott Walker shows signs of running I wll go with the Governor of Texas


19 posted on 07/16/2014 3:48:32 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. NEgypt.C. GOPc.+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: South40

“Said Perry forthrightly during a Republican presidential primary debate in 2012, “I would send troops back into Iraq.” Obviously, this is something he advocated long before the rise of ISIS. At the time, Perry urged the United States to return troops to Iraq to act as a balance against Iran .......”


Perry was right at the time.

Rand misleads by not acknowledging his position could have changed because the situation has changed.

In 2012, Perry was right.


20 posted on 07/16/2014 3:56:55 AM PDT by boycott
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To: elhombrelibre

“The fruit didn’t fall far from the tree.”

Yeah, agree. The old man had a screw loose for sure. But, I’m hoping that neither of these guys wins the GOP nomination. Don’t care Paul’s libertarian views on immigration, the military, foreign policy. And, while I have voted for Perry every time and believe he has been a good governor for Texas I dint believe he can carry the day in a national election.


21 posted on 07/16/2014 4:06:36 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: trebb

Neither are suitable cantidates and especially Rick do nothing Perry. This clown is all bark and not bite. I’ve now heard him for at least 2 months drone on and on about this border crisis yet what has he done within his own state? He continues to yammer on some more taking political shots at Obambi while the flow of illegals continue daily. He controls his state’s resources. He could have sent a message months ago through action. He hasn’t....he’s a bag of hot air


22 posted on 07/16/2014 4:06:58 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: relictele
When Republican A attacks Republican B you can bet than Republican B is trying to ingratiate himself with...Democrats.

More like the stock and trade type of article from the liberal press; in this case Politico. They love to prod Republicans into giving them a sound bite against another Republican, then they can publish this bit of "news". It serves the MSM in two ways, it denigrates a Republican by proxy and it sows dissension among Republican voters. (You'll notice you virtually never see like articles of one Democrat criticizing another.) It's all part of the Emmanuel Goldstein-ing of the Republican party by the MSM/Regime.

23 posted on 07/16/2014 4:18:45 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Ted Cruz is laughing."

That's right he's keeping his powder dry, he will pick just the right time to enter the fight, meanwhile he lets them beat themselves silly.

24 posted on 07/16/2014 4:34:04 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: AHerald
Hamfisted, amateurish and with a dash of thin-skinned petulance. Not a good tone for a supposed serious presidential contender.

I figured those characteristics would eventually assert themselves in Rand. Blood will Tell.

25 posted on 07/16/2014 4:58:02 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: South40

I watched Rand Paul on Hannity last night. And he sounded no different than a liberal BS artist. He was nuancing and dancing his way around his pacifism. It was a pathetic display for a Republican.


26 posted on 07/16/2014 5:01:44 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: Jarhead9297
He continues to yammer on some more taking political shots at Obambi while the flow of illegals continue daily. He controls his state’s resources. He could have sent a message months ago through action. He hasn’t....he’s a bag of hot air

Ergo, if it's him or Hillary, then Hillary is the logical choice - right?

Lots of hot air among all the politicians and among many of us (including me) on FR - most haven't been in the situation where they claim they would be taking action, and by the same token, none know what may or may not be going on behind the scenes to stay their hands so they don't ignite a Federal response at an inopportune time.

We be full of armchair quarterbacks who haven't been on a football field.

That said, I'm waiting for a number of Governors to band together and present a unified front to begin the process of taking back out Nation - problem is they will never unite because those who would support them cannot unite. The only true unity is the lockstep, blind follower-ship of the Leftists.

27 posted on 07/16/2014 5:01:46 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: South40

Rand Paul already breaking reagan’s cardinal rule
Republicans shouldn’t eat each other
Rand Paul has entirely too much time on his hands if he is swinging at Rick Perry
Shouldn’t the focus be on the absolute horror of the obama/holder depredations against our republic?


28 posted on 07/16/2014 5:20:37 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: South40

Interesting how many on here don’t appear to have actually read the article...

Rand is essentially saying that in Iraq, doing the same thing over and over again is stupid and wasteful.

He’s right.

Nor is he advocating an “isolationist” or even non-interventionist policy.

I’m a “smash your enemies flat and leave” kind of guy, so I don’t agree with his policy. But it still isn’t what folks in this thread are saying it is. And yes, I’m only basing this opinion off of this one thread and the responses to it.


29 posted on 07/16/2014 5:23:20 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: silverleaf

Perry took a shot at Rand first, apparently. This article reads like a rebuttal..


30 posted on 07/16/2014 5:25:10 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: Dead Corpse

then they are both wasting oxygen


31 posted on 07/16/2014 5:28:50 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: South40

Obama's Kids


32 posted on 07/16/2014 5:32:39 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: South40

Rand should have ignored it. He doesn’t need to be having this fight right now, Perry does. As far as Perry is concerned, I like him, but the neoconservative foreign policy argument is going to be a loser this time around if foreign policy becomes a central issue.


33 posted on 07/16/2014 5:49:53 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: relictele
When Republican A attacks Republican B

--except in this case it's A's response to B's rebuttal of A's attack on fellow Republicans.  It all started w/ Rino Paul WSJ stance--

America Shouldn't Choose Sides in Iraq's Civil War Obama has made mistakes but so did Bush by invading. There's no good case for U.S. military intervention now...) which Perry slammed--

which Perry slammed masterfully--

Isolationist policies make the threat of terrorism even greater

--and now we got Paul whining.

34 posted on 07/16/2014 5:53:25 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: silverleaf

No...foreign policy matters.

Its also becoming obvious that the ‘crisis’ at the border is a manufactured distraction.


35 posted on 07/16/2014 5:58:36 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Jarhead9297

He has done everything a governor is allowed to do. Sent the DPS and put boats on the Rio Grande. Has been calling for troops on the border for years! I’m not really a Rick Perry fan but he has been on top of this!!!


36 posted on 07/16/2014 6:00:42 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Star Traveler

Sadly, you are right.

Is he evolving toward Libertarian or was he fooling us before?


37 posted on 07/16/2014 6:05:29 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Dead Corpse; silverleaf
"Perry took a shot at Rand first"

Correct. But, you need to realize that this is a battle between the NeoCons and Rand Paul. Perry's shot at Paul was a NeoCon shot.

This battle broke out spring 2013 when Paul(on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee) joined the two antiwar dems and voted against arming the Syrian Rebels. Then those three were joined by isolationist Mike Lee to introduce legislation opposing the arming of the rebels.

After that, it was the NeoCons who fired the first shot at Paul. They published that story about Paul's campaign aide being a NeoConfederate racist, which would imply that Paul is a racist.

Rand Paul responded by attacking Liz Cheney running for the Wyoming senate seat. And the battle has continued since. Perry's shot is just the latest.

Paul's campaign strategy is to run against the NeoCons, and because of Iraq and Afghanistan he is getting traction, he has the highest poll numbers. And most recently, many of the NeoCons(especially Cheney) have gone on TV calling for the re-invasion of Iraq and Paul has used that as ammo.

Hillary is watching this. She has hired the prominent NeoCon Fred Kagan has an advisor. No doubt if Paul gets the GOP nomination she will run heavy as an interventionist hawk. Like Joe Lieberman.

38 posted on 07/16/2014 6:06:54 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Nifster

Rand’s point is the continuation of the “Paul/Perry” feud.

If Rand wants to sound like Dad, then he will be relegated to similar stature.

I had hoped Rand could keep his head and make a viable contender.


39 posted on 07/16/2014 6:10:22 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: South40

Sorry Rand........ I pick Rick!


40 posted on 07/16/2014 6:15:26 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: South40

Sorry Rand........ I pick Rick!


41 posted on 07/16/2014 6:15:32 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ben Ficklin

There should be no “re-invasion” of Iraq. Glass it. Nuke it. Leave no stone on top of another and do it from orbit.

Nothing else will mean a damn thing and only waste trillions more of our dollars we can’t afford and lives put to a better use almost anywhere else.

Maybe if NeoCons hadn’t abandoned all reason, in their pursuit of holding on to power, the Republic wouldn’t be in such piss poor shape right now.


42 posted on 07/16/2014 6:26:53 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: South40
Pro-amnesty Rand Paul? Really?

"But apparently his new glasses haven’t altered his perception of the world"

That nappy-headed dork isn't really the one to be shooting off personal remarks.

43 posted on 07/16/2014 6:27:24 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: silverleaf

Compared to Hillary or Schumer?

I’d rather Perry and Paul waste that oxygen.


44 posted on 07/16/2014 6:27:27 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: Jarhead9297

Its way too early to be deciding who is and who isn’t a suitable candidate. I doubt either Perry or Paul will be it.

As to your rant about Perry’s inaction per the illegals swarm , he has done everything he can legally do. if you really were watching you whould know about his putting the DPS in gunboats to patrol the River. Perry has proved to be a damn good Governor.


45 posted on 07/16/2014 6:29:39 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: South40

Two wrongs don’t make a right.


46 posted on 07/16/2014 6:42:52 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: X-spurt
If Rand wants to sound like Dad, then he will be relegated to similar stature.

Rand Paul does sound more and more like his father every day. That is why if he were to get the Republican nomination, he'd get my reluctant vote. He's better than Romney but then what Republican isn't?

47 posted on 07/16/2014 8:49:00 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: TADSLOS

3 wrongs don’t make a right either...

http://reason.com/archives/2014/07/15/why-the-rand-paul-rick-perry-feud-over-i


48 posted on 07/16/2014 9:08:34 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: X-spurt

I seem to recall someone stating he has yet to activate the National Guard and place them down south through known points of entry. I could be mistaken and will definitely recant if he has. He seems to me a guy seeking a microphone with less than needed action when it comes to this


49 posted on 07/16/2014 9:43:36 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: South40

He is determined to rewrite Reagan, just like Romney was.


50 posted on 07/16/2014 10:37:02 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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