Skip to comments.Russia Is Reportedly Reopening Its Spy Base In Cuba
Posted on 07/16/2014 5:09:56 AM PDT by McGruff
Russia and Cuba have agreed to reopen the signals intelligence (SIGINT) base in Lourdes, Cuba, which was primarily used to spy on the U.S., Russian business daily Kommersant reports. The base was set up in 1964 after the Cuban missile crisis and is 155 miles from the U.S. coast. Havana shut it down in 2001 because of financial issues and American pressure. "Lourdes gave the Soviet Union eyes in the whole of the western hemisphere," a former head of Russia's foreign intelligence service, Vyacheslav Trubnikov, told Kommersant. "For Russia, which is fighting for its lawful rights and place in the international community, it would be no less valuable than for the USSR." Once the Soviet Union's largest outside of its territory, the facility was manned by about 3,000 military and intelligence personnel who intercepted signals coming from and to the U.S. territory and provided communication for the Russian vessels in the West. Kommersant reported that the agreement was finalized during Russian President Vladimir Putin's visit to Havana last week. Moscow also recently agreed to write off 90% of Cuba's debt dating back to the Soviet era, which totaled around $32 billion. Putin has been emboldened ever since NSA contractor Edward Snowden flew to Moscow from Hong Kong on June 23 of last year after stealing an estimated 1.7 million documents from NSA servers in Hawaii. "All I can say is finally!" one Russian source told Kommersant.
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Payment for the forgiveness of debt.
You really think it was closed?? Wake up!!
Translation. U.S. President is too weak to do anything about Russia. Bay of Pigs not happening with this guy.
“Putin makes his chess move.”
And why wouldn’t he? He has no organized, strategic opposition on the chess board.
Sad how this clown, 0bama, has decimated America’s reputation around the globe while opening the border to hoards of illegals, welcoming them with open arms and an open wallet.
We’ve done this forgiveness thing a million times.
I’m shocked that you have gambling here Rick.
Putin has Obama under his thumb. Cuba is an excellent staging base.
Putin makes his chess move.
And why not? He’d be foolish if he didn’t take advantage of Obama’s weakness and acquiescence. Putin correctly see’s a big green light to do whatever he wants.
I’m really surprised that Putin hasn’t been a lot more aggressive but maybe its just a matter of logistics that’s slowing him down. Whatever, Putin is on the move; Obama is in retreat.
For the folks who have been warning about American meddling in eastern Europe and antagonizing Russia over the Ukraine, this move comes as no surprise.
Cuba is an excellent staging base.
Along with Venezuela which Russian warships periodically visit.
Now just imagine what is going on that we don’t know.
To co ordinate with the ‘children’ from South and Central America, in their assault on the US!!
Well, well, well. History does repeat itself.
It's not about Obama being "weak". It's about him basically being on their side with an almost identical worldview and agenda.
I blame the American people for being lazy in 2012. Now it’s 4 more years.
And an excellent reason, when we get a real president, to meddle in E. Europe.
An excellent reason if you’re a defense contractor. Gratuitous escalation of tension between nuclear powers is not so good for the rest of us.
I simply responding to the laughable notion that it’s the US’ fault that Russia is doing this.
Russia has been doing that since Stalin.
If we don't respond, they keep coming.
I don't think that there is any question that since the breakup of the Soviet Union, their political aspirations have clearly been to achieve a "do-over".
Like the closely related Germans, they don't have a word for "Stop".
It's patently clear that the perceived weakness of the US is the driving factor here and they are filling the vacuum. If the goal is to relegate the US to a global busboy along with it's European loser friends.......They are doing exactly the right things.
You really can't deny that.
But then I have noticed that since the Ukrainian poker game got warmed up, the chorus of support for the Russians has grown louder and louder.
Keep in mind that reading Russia is a art. They are now and have always been masters of deception. They play this game better than anyone, past or present with one exception during WWII when Hitler snookered Stalin into killing all of his military leadership just prior to Hitler's invasion of Russia.
Reopening that base on Cuba is purposeful, but it not to improve signals intel. It's just a pawn move in a chess game.
It's the constant spin by the Russians that "the game has just started," when it has been going-on for decades. And the notion that the Russians "would not be moving their pieces" if we only didn't move ours is laughable on its face.
I think that the point being made about our effect on the Chess game, is that we are not playing. Let me expand the point, because it is important.
If we were playing the strategy employed by the Russians would be modified or perhaps entirely different.
It’s as if the Obama Admin is unaware or believes that appeasement will lead the Russians to slow or stop their game.
This was tried before and failed. multiple times.. At least Bush was engaged and kept the game at a stalemate. Not so with Obama.
Now having said that, if the Obama administration would prepare for their next move by reopening the placement of defensive missiles in Poland and raise the stakes of the game. I would not be saying this..
One can easily foretell that reopening the base has a purpose and that purpose would be similar to the reasoning behind stationing numerous Russian ships in and near central America. This base, once reopened will be used as the reason for a strategic Russian naval presence. IMO
Since our Space program, (the old excuse) is all but totally dormant. They will re-task the base. The idea is to mitigate any possibility of the US considering a first strike capability should Russia go too far in Eastern Europe. They will do this by positioning their launch capability close to our shores....again....
If you neuter or reduce the US strike capability and take it out of the strategic consideration, then it follows that you can be quite brazen with your other activities and plans.
I guess the real question is...What will Obama do about it?
I think he will do nothing and allow the balance of power to shift to Russia, thinking that it will make no difference in their future actions.
Of course, Obama would be, like his predecessors Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman....Completely wrong.....
Just wait until Obama hears about this on the news!
Oh yeah...he knows....LOL
And so have we -- at least since Khrushchev. Why do you think they put missiles in Cuba in the first place? Pay attention.
You keep referring to that thought, but I think it is probably based on events and the arguments about the Ukraine.
I think you are wrong in thinking that the Ukraine events are not part of the chess game we are discussing.
After the breakup of the USSR, Russia's Baltic fleet was mothballed and essentially rusted, particularly their nuclear subs.These subs, that we have invested heavily in, when deployed have a tendency to change the deterrent balance.
Currently I believe that they are concerned about this and I also believe that the Ukraine move is all about the ports and pipelines and controlling the security and media (all information gathering) in and near the ports and shipyards. To do that, they need to control at least the entire Western and Southern Ukraine and all of it would be optimal.
This will enable them to build a sub fleet that is second to none to counter ours and shift the balance of deterrent power and as they do, they can control the message, and the prying eyes.
Since they are not there yet and have much work to do, the positioning of naval assets close to our shores reduce the missile travel time and temporarily fill that need until they have enough assets to do it without the subterfuge they have been using of late..
Maybe you misunderstood me, then. Let’s simply say that I follow Russian propaganda very closely (and frankly, there is no better source than FR for it). It’s the same excuse, again and again. “If only we didn’t do this, the Russians wouldn’t have done that.” Again, laughable.
As a result, the power balance will have to shift in favor of Russia and this always emboldens them to take risks. It is in their nature to do so. So yes, I am paying attention. I have been since I came of age in the early 60s...I have been paying attention closely.
Personally, I think we could have put a tripwire detachment of US troops in the Ukraine when it became clear that Russia was going to do something.
But we did not...
The key is anticipating their moves, just like in chess. However if you miss the clues or fail to anticipate, it is generally too late to do anything.
I seriously doubt this was a intelligence failure. LOL
What it was, was incompetence.
Facing a weak US president, who is hated by allies for spying, and whose top domestic priorities are homosexuality and illegal aliens, it's a no brainer.
We lost the Bay of Pigs, remember?
And if Russia had tripped the tripwire then you would have gone to war over there?
You don’t do something like that unless you are willing to follow through.
Why should the NSA monopolize spying on US citizens?
I submit that better answer is that you don't do something like that without a damned good reason for doing so. The rest of Europe wasn't willing to help defend the Ukraine, why should the U.S. have gone it alone?
Russians do not respect weakness.
As to the Europeans, they are indeed weak and they will soon be playing Russian music on their radio stations..
The US is the only global player that since Stalin was willing to step into the way of the Russian desire to dominate Western and subsequently Eastern Europe.
Without the US running interference and yes, risking a nuclear exchange in spite of the horror of it, Russia will certainly achieve it’s long-term goals. To them, we are the only thing in the way.
The global chessboard has been reset...again.
The “Bear” is stirring from hibernation and what we are seeing now is just the beginning.
You ignore these people at your peril, and what I see now is the same chain of events that led to WWII, but at that time the shoe was on the German’s foot.
The goals were the same, the popular notions and desires were the same. The psychology on both sides is the same. But unless people wakeup, (unlikely) the results are going to be a lot different. Putin is a lot smarter tactically than Stalin was..or Khrushchev. His toolbox has many more tools in it.
In my view the European public and the American public is of the same mentality they were when Hitler saw the weaknesses and tried to exploit them. They are weak, disconnected, and as a result are ignoring the patently obvious and will not act until they have to.
At that point, it will be too late.
In my view, it was too late when we did not act post WWII. Patton was absolutely right. But now we have fear of a nuclear exchange to guide us.
While the Russian’s share the concern, they do not fear it.
“Fear” being the operative word.
Next, Russia will send missiles to Cuba.
They don’t have to send missiles...
They will be on the ship or ships in port. That could also include a sub or two.
When one leaves, another will replace it, leaving them with what they need without send anything but command and control detachment to Cuba in the form of signals intelligence at the base.
It will become a port of call for them and a port for Naval rotation of their nuclear deterrent capability while we worry about armaments at the base....The armaments will be on the ship or ships in port.
It seems to be more of a situation where Obama was not worried about repercussions for interfering in Ukraine, and continuing to do so. Every move Obama takes in eastern Europe, Putin could logically make a move in central and south america.
My point is that the Russians are not an existential threat to us the way the Soviets were, so I am not interested in cold war games that will provoke them. Bringing NATO up to their front door is stupid and dangerous — and unnecessary. It is only natural that they respond in kind.
We have been screwing with the Ukraine for decades. It’s part of our strategic interests to do so. It’s not just the Ukraine. There is also other proxy interventions.
It was done now and then to attempt to prevent exactly what is occurring now, a Ukrainian/Russian puppet government. This has been going back and forth and most recently the US tried to protect it’s interests that became more important after the breakup of the USSR.
What Putin is doing now is winning that particular skirmish and rebuilding the USSR. We have lost the advantage there and at this point there is really nothing to do but send aid.
Critically linked to this move will be additional moves in other Baltic states and then there is Poland...
There were no real repercussions to what we were doing in the Ukraine. At least not to US..
The repercussions are more directed at the people of the Ukraine, Georgia, others..They are cannon fodder.
With this move being successful from the Russian perspective, and it will be, the others state actors will begin to fall in line, especially since the US response initially was weak and worthless. Europe’s response and NATO’s contribution was expected by some but never happened so Putin can run the table now..and he will. He has no real opposition nor is there any real danger of repercussions from us. The West has ceded the game now. It’s happened before.
To assure that the US does not get any grand ideas, Putin is upping his nuclear deterrent with what he has available while he builds more assets at the Baltic ports. This is why the reopening of the Cuba facility is being done now. It’s Command and control for the Atlantic and Gulf assets positioned off the US shores. He will build that deterrent much larger than it is today as time goes by.
The leadership of the US is so weak knee’d and ineffectual that he is exploiting it. Stalin tried this a long time ago, as did Khrushchev. At some point the US response came as a surprise to both of them and the exploits ended and the balance restored.
I do not see that happening now. I see utter failure for numerous self inflicted reasons.
The geopolitical game board is going to change radically in the coming years..unless we change it back. But I’m not feeling good or even mildly hopeful about that.
Game/Set/Match......Putin 2/ US 0
That would be a mistake.
so I am not interested in cold war games that will provoke them.
That sort of tactic is the way the game is played. To avoid direct warfare, you employ proxy fights using other countries, preferably in the enemies back yard.
The age of reason does not apply here.
Like Ukraine and Cuba?
Strategically, the Black Sea is a crappy place to base a fleet. There’s two chock points before the open water of the Med.
Err, that should read : choke points.