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What is UN good for if Gaza in flames, asks Turkish PM Erdogan
Hürriyet ^ | July/16/2014

Posted on 07/16/2014 9:13:53 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

The humanitarian tragedy in Gaza due to Israel’s devastating attacks has moved Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to once again slam the United Nations’ alleged lack of effectiveness.

“I wonder, how can we make an explanation for what Israel has done, as a human being, no matter which religion or sect we are from?” Erdoğan said late on July 15.

“The United Nations is the number one responsible on this matter. I always ask the U.N: What do you serve for? Why was this U.N. founded? To provide the world’s peace? If the U.N. can’t fulfill its job, then it should check itself. You look at the U.N. Security Council, everything is between the lips of five countries,” Erdoğan said, speaking at a fast-breaking iftar meal hosted by his ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) for ambassadors accredited in Ankara.

“The Prime Minister of the Republic of Turkey is surely not loved; of course he won’t be loved. Where in the world are those who tell the truth loved? But we will continue to tell the truth,” he added.

In the last few years, particularly since the beginning of the Syrian conflict, Erdoğan has grown increasingly vocal in his criticism of the U.N. for its failure to reach an agreement on how to respond to the bloody conflict in Turkey’s neighboring country.

Both Erdoğan and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu fiercely argue in favor of a reform of the U.N. Security Council, which they describe as an unequal and unfair system that fails to reflect the will of most countries.

Still, having held one of the non-permanent seats of the council, the “Western European and Others” seat, in 2009-2010, Turkey is currently exerting intense efforts for the 2015-2016 period. The related election will be held in October.

In the same iftar speech, Erdoğan also closed the door on a potential normalization of bilateral ties with Israel under the current conditions. “In the face of such incidents, do you think Israel-Turkey relations can normalize? On the one hand you will drop 400-500 tons of bombs, you will kill defenseless people and threaten global peace, and then you will talk about ‘the normalization of relations.’ This is unacceptable to us,” he said.

Turkey tries to mediate for cease-fire

Meanwhile, Ankara has been attempting to mediate a cease-fire between Palestinian groups and Israel, with Foreign Minister Davutoğlu holding talks with his U.S. and Qatari counterparts, along with Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

Turkey is conducting “intense diplomacy” to reach a truce that will include “all players - Hamas and other Palestinian groups,” Davutoğlu said yesterday in a televised interview, criticizing the Israeli administration for not contacting the Palestinians over their unilateral cease-fire offer.

Citing his phone conversations with Abbas and Mashaal, Davutoğlu said the Palestinian side demanded a comprehensive “real” truce, negotiated with all parties and consisting of “elements of the 2012 deal, and the Gilad Shalit deal,” he said.

Davutoğlu noted that he had phone conversations with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry late on July 15, during a meeting with Qatar Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani. Davutoğlu also talked to Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif.

He again urged for the opening of the Gaza port, under the monitoring of the international community, including the U.N.

“I told both Abbas and Mashaal that they should not break the unity government under any circumstances. I told them that this [Israeli campaign] was an act to destroy the unity government. They will preserve the unity government,” he stated.

Davutoğlu criticized the Europe and U.S. of taking a “pro-Israel” stance. “Europe is wary of making statements due to feelings of guilt,” he said, before also citing the influence of the “Jewish lobby in the U.S.”

He claimed that Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip were an effort to “eliminate Hamas,” adding that “if Israel thinks it can get rid of Hamas and establish an administration closer to it, then it is mistaken.” He noted that Turkey conveyed to Israel that relations between the two countries could not be normalized if “this policy of Israel continues.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel
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1 posted on 07/16/2014 9:13:53 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Ummm ... better than Israel in flames with all the Hamas rockets they are shooting off over onto Israel.

ACTUALLY, Hamas itself has the power to stop Israel from invading at this moment. If they “go absolutely quiet” and accept the cease fire that Israel did (from Egypt yesterday) ... there would be no flakes in Gaza!


2 posted on 07/16/2014 9:16:12 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Just one word.....PKK.


3 posted on 07/16/2014 9:18:02 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Remember the good-old pre-Erdogan days when the military kept Turkey from going off the rails? It seems so long ago.


4 posted on 07/16/2014 9:18:45 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Star Traveler

... that’s ... “no flames in Gaza.”

... :-)


5 posted on 07/16/2014 9:19:01 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Erdogan. Like he’s got no islamist dog in this fight.


6 posted on 07/16/2014 9:26:05 AM PDT by lurk
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Frankly, I don't give a flying f**k about the humanitarian tragedy in Gaza. Israel should continue to pound them.
7 posted on 07/16/2014 9:27:56 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Erdogan cleaned the military out of any dissenters. If there’s another Ataturk in the ranks, he’s a very junior officer.


8 posted on 07/16/2014 9:29:35 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

United Nazis is good for nothing now that those dam@edJooos can defend themselves. Suggest disbanding it.


9 posted on 07/16/2014 9:29:50 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The UN is both practiced at, and very good at handing out aid donated by the United States while the UN employees demand sex favors from children before handing over the aid.

Hey Muslims - call for more “Blue Helmets”, they will fit in (pun intended) with the native Muslims.

Kinda rough on the boys and small livestock, but what Blue Helmet or Muslim cares about their opinions, anyway.


10 posted on 07/16/2014 9:30:20 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and for what Muslims do.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

And where as Nagodre erdogan when Hamas was firing off missiles at Israel. Oh... that’s right, he was doing his toenails and couldn’t be bothered.

This guy can go straight to hell...


11 posted on 07/16/2014 9:30:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: GladesGuru

That’s about it...


12 posted on 07/16/2014 9:31:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: Rummyfan

“Erdogan cleaned the military out of any dissenters. If there’s another Ataturk in the ranks, he’s a very junior officer.”

Obama is well along the way to “fundamentally transforming” the American military.


13 posted on 07/16/2014 9:32:41 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and for what Muslims do.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The UN is only good for what it always has been good for- bashing the U.S. and Israel.


14 posted on 07/16/2014 9:34:53 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Rummyfan

Be very careful how you show your support for Israel ... see this article just posted ...

Israel ambassador to U.S. Jews: Hamas winning war of public opinion
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3181017/posts

NEW YORK — Ambassador Ron Dermer, Israel’s chief diplomatic representative in the U.S., asked some 700 American Jews on a conference call this week for their help shifting the messaging on Israel. Israel is being routinely portrayed in both conventional and social media as an angry, well-armed giant leaving many innocent victims in its wake during the current crisis with Hamas, Dermer said.

The call was organized by the Jewish Federations of North America, which this week sent federation leaders to visit targeted towns in Israel, and the Jewish Council for Public Affairs. Dermer told his audience that Hamas may be winning the war over public opinion, as Israel is vilified for the civilian casualties its bombs cause in Gaza, while Hamas is not being blamed for instructing Palestinians to stay in their homes – even when they have been warned by the IDF that the locations will be bombed imminently.

“Hamas is putting its missile batteries and command centers next to schools and hospitals. That is a major war crime. While we are doing everything possible to keep civilians out of harms way, Hamas is trying to put their people into harms way. Gaza’s interior minister said people should ignore warnings and go back into their homes. We are taking action to minimize to the greatest extent possible number of civilian casualties, they are doing everything to maximize it.”

— — —

We need to make ABSOLUTELY CLEAR when we talk about and support Israel, that it is NOT engaging in a GENOCIDAL CAMPAIGN against the Palestinian civilians - but that it’s HAMAS who is.

We must be STRONGLY EMPHATIC that Israel does NOT COMMIT WAR CRIMES against Palestinian civilians and explain the ways that Israel goes about avoiding collateral damage, while strongly attacking Hamas and its missiles that are flying into Israel.

If you believe that Israel should commit war crimes and engage in a GENOCIDAL CAMPAIGN against Palestinians — then just SHUT UP! ... because you’re doing Israel no favor with your genocidal talk!


15 posted on 07/16/2014 9:37:30 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The UN is “ineffective”? The Turkish prime minister is probably right in that assessment, but not for the reasons he cites. The UN is simply incapable of imposing its will on recalcitrant Muslim militants, the major player here in the prolongation of hostilities. The Israelis are willing to call it off, if there is any sign of acceptance by Hamas.

The solidarity of Muslims everywhere is one of the most tenuous of relationships, as they will fall to fighting each others on the most minute of differences and at the least provocation.


16 posted on 07/16/2014 9:37:50 AM PDT by alloysteel (Most people become who they promised they would never be.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
“The United Nations is the number one responsible on this matter. I always ask the U.N: What do you serve for? Why was this U.N. founded? To provide the world’s peace? If the U.N. can’t fulfill its job, then it should check itself. You look at the U.N. Security Council, everything is between the lips of five countries,” Erdoğan said, speaking at a fast-breaking iftar meal hosted by his ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) for ambassadors accredited in Ankara.

Hey, the UN is blaming it all on Israel as well. What more do you want?

17 posted on 07/16/2014 9:43:26 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I don’t agree with Erdogan on hardly anything, but I have been asking what use the UN is for decades.


18 posted on 07/16/2014 9:51:01 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: DeaconBenjamin

What good is the UN if it cannot prevent the Gazans from bombarding Israel with missiles?


19 posted on 07/16/2014 9:54:24 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

What good is the UN for? Not a damn thing except supporting the communists/dictatorships of the world.


20 posted on 07/16/2014 10:07:52 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The UN is good for absolutely nothing but getting in the way.


21 posted on 07/16/2014 10:14:03 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Unarmed people cannot defend themselves. America is no longer a Free Country.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

“What is UN good for?”

Absolutely nothing. HUH!!!

(h/t Elaine Bennis)


22 posted on 07/16/2014 10:16:13 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Looks like Magog is rattling their chains.


23 posted on 07/16/2014 10:27:14 AM PDT by BradtotheBone (Record number of people on welfare. That's the State of the Union under Obama.)
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To: Rummyfan
Erdogan cleaned the military out of any dissenters.

He's also one of Obama's buddies. If the number of forced turnovers at the top of the US military structure is any indication, Obama has taken some advice from him.

24 posted on 07/16/2014 11:08:05 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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