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More Ukrainian soldiers killed as fighting rages in east, peace move flops
REUTERS ^ | Jul 16, 2014 | Richard Balmforth

Posted on 07/16/2014 10:50:57 AM PDT by McGruff

Fighting raged in Ukraine's east on Wednesday when separatists tried to break through the lines of government forces near the border with Russia and a tentative step towards agreeing conditions for a ceasefire failed.

Eleven more Ukrainian soldiers were killed in the space of 24 hours while hundreds of bodies of rebels were found in shallow graves in a former separatist stronghold, the army said.

Fighting has escalated sharply since Friday with the downing of a Ukrainian military transport plane and the deaths of civilians in air and artillery attacks on residential areas on both sides of the border, which Russia and Ukraine have blamed on each other.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
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1 posted on 07/16/2014 10:50:57 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

Peace can only come through victory.


2 posted on 07/16/2014 10:52:23 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: tcrlaf; caww

Some unconfirmed reports from a pretty reliable Twitter source.

Significant losses reported for Ukraine army 72th brigade in Lugansk region, were refused reinforcement by ATO HQ

Some Ukraine soldiers are said to throw away uniforms, change into civilian clothes and flee to Russia

The catastrophic battle of “Donetsk Pocket” has altered the war for the Ukraine army. When the pics come out of dead soldiers be respectful.

Ukraine Su-25 shot down with a MANPADS at 13LT (19GMT), July 16, over Saur-Mogila


3 posted on 07/16/2014 10:57:41 AM PDT by McGruff (Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt)
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To: McGruff
Some unconfirmed reports from a pretty reliable Twitter source.

How about posting the link here, then?

4 posted on 07/16/2014 11:06:12 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

The text McGruff cut and pasted (not that he bothered to tell us it was a cut and paste!) appears in this twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/BradCabana


5 posted on 07/16/2014 11:11:56 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

So @BradCabana is retweeting tweets he’s seen?


6 posted on 07/16/2014 11:20:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: vladimir998

Yup he’s a pretty reliable source. And Twitter doesn’t normally have links.


7 posted on 07/16/2014 11:20:50 AM PDT by McGruff (Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt)
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To: 1rudeboy

I think so, but I honesty don’t know enough about Twitter.


8 posted on 07/16/2014 11:27:19 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

I don’t know that much about it either. I do know that I tried to check what his sources are, and found a dead end.


9 posted on 07/16/2014 11:29:51 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Here’s a link for you.

Update: 15 Ukrainian border guards taken to Russian hospitals — FSB http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/740982

But why bother, you’ll just call it propaganda anyway.


10 posted on 07/16/2014 11:33:55 AM PDT by McGruff (Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt)
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To: McGruff
No, not necessarily, comrade. But being Russian, you don't understand the difference between propaganda and news. Here's an example of the former:

Some Ukraine soldiers are said to throw away uniforms, change into civilian clothes and flee to Russia.

11 posted on 07/16/2014 11:38:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; McGruff

By the way, just to let you know, I cut some of McGruff’s unattributed text:

“battle of “Donetsk Pocket” has altered the war for the Ukraine army.”

I slapped that into google and this Twitter feed came up:

https://twitter.com/Steiner1776 The person who runs it is clearly pro-Russian, self-admitted socialist/communist scumbag. That led me to the other Twitter account I previous posted a link to.


12 posted on 07/16/2014 11:39:10 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: McGruff

Did Putin tell you this when you were shining (or licking) his boots?


13 posted on 07/16/2014 12:05:27 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: vladimir998

Yes twitter is a shared resource. That’s no secret. Does it matter who the source is if it is true?

The scumbags are the ones in Kiev who sit in their cozy little offices and send others to be slaughtered.


14 posted on 07/16/2014 12:05:38 PM PDT by McGruff (Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt)
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To: McGruff
Does it matter who the source is if it is true?

Maybe Twitter could adopt the motto, "fake, but accurate."

15 posted on 07/16/2014 12:09:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: McGruff

I don’t know who to pull for in this one.

Both sides are statist.

Out of spite, I think ill side with whomever obammy is against.


16 posted on 07/16/2014 12:19:25 PM PDT by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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To: McGruff

“Does it matter who the source is if it is true?”

How do you know it is true?

“The scumbags are the ones in Kiev who sit in their cozy little offices and send others to be slaughtered.”

No, those are the Ukrainian patriots who are defending their country from pro-Russian separatists who are supported by Putin. The scumbags are the pro-Russian separatists and their supporters on FR.


17 posted on 07/16/2014 12:19:57 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Yes, you are correct.
32 minutes ago
The NATIONAL SECURITY and DEFENSE COUNCIL [Ukraine] said that no city, previously released from terrorists, not retaken. “Neither our military on the meter has not moved, the A. Lysenko.

However, listen to the pain in the voice of this man for his mother and father that transcends language:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOsUszYPZ5E#t=166

Please pray for God to strengthen the Ukraine government & military to quickly end this terrorism.


18 posted on 07/16/2014 12:36:05 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: 1rudeboy

Videos breaking today on the interwebs of GRADS being fired from Russia into Ukraine. Clear as day and already geolocated with google maps.

The Putinists better put their hip waders on now. It’s going to get deep for them.


19 posted on 07/16/2014 12:58:33 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: McGruff; All
Yup he’s a pretty reliable source. And Twitter doesn’t normally have links.

Reliable is pretty subjective when it comes to Putinists. You think that an article that accuses the United States and Israel of conducting "false flag terrorist attacks" is reliable. Normal people would call it anti-semitic and Alex-Jones conspiracy trash that only idiots believe.

20 posted on 07/16/2014 1:36:51 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: McGruff
Yes twitter is a shared resource. That’s no secret. Does it matter who the source is if it is true?

Yes, if you are quoting communists and ultranationalists, or anti-semites, conspiracy mongers, or agents of the Kremlin, this would tend to put into doubt the veracity of the claims.

The scumbags are the ones in Kiev who sit in their cozy little offices and send others to be slaughtered.

As opposed to Putin who, without ever having any kind of military training, dresses in military fatigues and rides horses as he orders the FSB to rape and murder his own people? And that's not hyperbole. The Russkies rape and murder their own people and make a sport out of it. This is no secret. It is only a matter of being informed of what goes on in Russia at the behest of the Kremlin.

21 posted on 07/16/2014 1:39:44 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: McGruff

Russias supplied heavy artelliary launchers (Grads) to Novorussia Army fighters over the past couple days........ ...who are now giving back to Ukraine Army what their Shelling has done throughout Eastern Ukraine.......Ukraine army retreating in mass now....unable to withstand this bombardment......Kiev regime hiding extent of losses and defeat..... Avakov+Maiden screaming at each other to go to “Eastern Front”.........Family members fighting with Kiev recruters/Army to prevent manadatory sending their sons to the front.....try to stop trucks (2nd video)

Lower your volume first. Very powerful rocket firing....stunning actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmJaMPtBk6M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmJaMPtBk6M


22 posted on 07/16/2014 4:32:54 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Darn....I lost the grads firing...let me see if I can locate it....posted two of the same videos of the families. Sorry


23 posted on 07/16/2014 4:35:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff

Found it...plug your ears....makes me think of what the shelling will be like in Armageddon.....

this is why Ukraine army got out of dodge, what ones could escape.......and why the Ukraine commanders went for help from the towns people to rescue their soldiers....they were literally sitting ducks in an open field.... practically looking down the barrels of these....100% Kievs fault for sending these young and new soldiers without equipment or operators.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG7Mty3gfLI


24 posted on 07/16/2014 4:46:37 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Holy crap. Wouldn’t want to be on the receiving side of that barrage. The forced recruiting is sickening.


25 posted on 07/16/2014 5:04:06 PM PDT by McGruff (Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt)
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To: McGruff

Yes, I’ve never seen firing as that....imagine the Ukraine Army soldiers just seeing these lining up. Like the Commanders said...’they have no chance against this’ and that was before these were fired!

I also believe Kiev citizens know very well what they are sending their sons into, and why they are fighting the Army when the trucks leave to take their kids to the front lines. They’ve been protesting all week pretty much to no avail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG7Mty3gfLI


26 posted on 07/16/2014 5:26:18 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

As time goes on, the Putinists sound more and more like Russkie media, like, literally, a series of twitter comments or headlines from their deranged media. Why aren’t you guys posting the stuff about the Ukrainians crucifying babies in East Ukraine that they’re putting out? That’s the newest one.


27 posted on 07/16/2014 5:32:59 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Why Greetings Troll!....I see you're up to your same ol' never ending nastiness. Might be a good time to take a nap and sleep it off!


28 posted on 07/16/2014 5:40:37 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I’ve got better coordinates for the next rocket barrage.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/article1411906.ece


29 posted on 07/16/2014 5:45:06 PM PDT by McGruff (Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt)
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To: caww
Why Greetings Troll!....I see you're up to your same ol' never ending nastiness.

Says the guy with a pathology against Ukraine, all because Putin and Russkie media have told him to have one. The Putinist/PaulBots have all become deranged.

30 posted on 07/16/2014 5:45:39 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

31 posted on 07/16/2014 5:50:56 PM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff
LOLOLOL...oh my gosh! Poroshenko's house does look like the White House.
32 posted on 07/16/2014 5:54:42 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

On the bright side, reports that both “Maidan” battalions, made up of thr original maidan protesters, have been “decimated”. The oligarchs solve a big problem by using the most motivated of the Maidenites as cannon fodder, so they won’t have to deal with them later.


33 posted on 07/16/2014 7:13:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

....”Oligarchs solve a big problem by using the most motivated of the Maidenites as cannon fodder, so they won’t have to deal with them later”.....

Oh definately.....it’s pretty apparent there are many untrained and unequipped Ukrainian soldiers fighting. Even the Neo-Nazi broods have been getting hammered. Unfortuantely other nations have sent in experienced soldiers, special forces, and basically hit squads who are the real leaders over the Ukraine Soldiers now.

Still....you cannot train men who don’t want to fight Poroshenko’s personal war....and forcing these soldiers , under threat, to the front lines only creates the rage of the citizens of Ukraine we see happening.


34 posted on 07/17/2014 9:17:44 AM PDT by caww
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