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White House Upholds States’ Rights, At Least For Marijuana
The Daily Caller ^ | 07/15/2014 | Jonah Bennett

Posted on 07/16/2014 11:04:48 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom

In reaction to a proposed amendment to block decriminalization of marijuana in D.C., the White House Office of Management and Budget took a strong stance in favor of states’ rights.

Republican Rep. Andy Harris of Maryland introduced an amendment that would prevent the D.C. Council from using any federal funds to enact pot policy changes, calling marijuana “poison to a teenager’s brain.” The D.C. Council has also released a statement condemning interference from Congress. The current legislation adopted by the Council replaces criminal penalties for marijuana usage with fines.

The marijuana amendment in the Financial Services and General Government appropriations bill is just one of the reasons that the White House has announced its intentions to veto the whole bill if it ever passes through the Senate. The administration has previously refused to engage in legal action against Colorado or Washington for their legalization proposals, despite the fact that marijuana is still illegal on a federal level.

“The Administration strongly opposes the language in the bill preventing the district from using its own local funds to carry out locally-passed marijuana policies, which again undermines the principles of States’ rights and of District home rule. Furthermore, the language poses legal challenges to the Metropolitan Police Department’s enforcement of all marijuana laws currently in force in the District,” the Office of Management and Budget stated.

Mason Tvert, communications director for the Marijuana Policy Project, noted that Rep. Andy Harris’ justification for hindering the D.C. Council’s marijuana proposals is irrelevant, as the measure does not allow for teen use of marijuana.

“Nobody wants teens using marijuana, but the measure adopted in DC does not allow for teen use. A majority of Americans think that making marijuana legal would be a better approach to preventing teen marijuana use. Prohibition has failed to prevent teens from accessing marijuana and has resulted in hundreds of thousands of responsible consumers being arrested,” Tvert told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

“We certainly commend the White House for making it clear that states should have the ability to establish their own marijuana policies. They should not be forced to maintain our federal government’s failed policy of prohibition. Voters in the District of Columbia have made it clear that they support ending marijuana prohibition, and their elected officials have taken action to move in that direction. They should have every right to do so,” Tvert added.


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1 posted on 07/16/2014 11:04:48 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom
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To: ConservingFreedom

NOT for enforcing border security and arresting ILLEGAL UNDOCUMENTED DEMOCRATS. I live in AZ and we tried and Obozo and his unelected men in black said NO WAY ON THE STATE’S RIGHTS ISSUE.


2 posted on 07/16/2014 11:06:49 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Last I checked, DC was not a state.


3 posted on 07/16/2014 11:06:54 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: docbnj

Last I checked TSA said it wasn’t in the US. In this case, I believe them.


4 posted on 07/16/2014 11:08:43 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

“A majority of Americans think that making marijuana legal would be a better approach to preventing teen marijuana use.”

Liberal logic 101.

Marijuana usage is a causatory factor in crime and leeching off of welfare, so any reasonable policy which protects the autonomy of the America taxpayer should lead to scorching marijuana fields existing in the US and securing the border on the south.


5 posted on 07/16/2014 11:10:25 AM PDT by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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To: ConservingFreedom

If it’s a State’s Rights issue, then Wickard v Filburn stands in violation of the Tenth Amendment.


6 posted on 07/16/2014 11:10:50 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: ConservingFreedom
"calling marijuana “poison to a teenager’s brain.

The poison that is really effecting teenagers today is taking place in the classroom, the communist curriculum is poisoning the whole country, with no choice or chance to avoid it for most, but no one wants to pass a law against it.

7 posted on 07/16/2014 11:18:07 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: tacticalogic

Wickard v Filburn is in violation of the Constitution. As much as I despise drugs, including marijuana, I’m happy to see FedGov appealing to the 10th Amendment to adnave that pathetic cause. First, they are right - drug laws are not an enumerated power and are therefore a state issue. Second, the more we appeal to the 10th Amendment successfully, even on minor or negative issues, the easier it will be to appeal to the 10th Amendment when it matters.


8 posted on 07/16/2014 11:18:55 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Sooooooooooooo.....let me see if I have this right.....states have rights when it comes to marijuana policy....yet they don’t have the right to regulate marriage?


9 posted on 07/16/2014 11:19:11 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: docbnj
DC was not a state.

You are correct. DC is the headquarters of a corporation that owns and controls the US.

10 posted on 07/16/2014 11:19:38 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Perhaps more weight and clarity could be shown in this story if we add the small fact that this is Representative Andy Harris M.D., an anesthesiologist of 30 years practice and a graduate of Johns Hopkins. Thus I give him a little more leeway when he talks about medical situations.

And before people get too tied up by his discussion of something not currently allowed, would anyone believe that we would be where we are now in this marijuana legalities and usage just 10 years ago? Rep. Harris is just trying to make something clear BEFORE they try to push the envelope AGAIN!

11 posted on 07/16/2014 11:24:01 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: SES1066
Rep. Harris is just trying to make something clear

He's doing more than that - he's trying to prevent the D.C. Council from using any federal funds to enact pot policy changes.

12 posted on 07/16/2014 11:28:39 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Objective Scrutator
Marijuana usage is a causatory factor in crime and leeching off of welfare, so any reasonable policy which protects the autonomy of the America taxpayer should lead to scorching marijuana fields existing in the US

No less true of alcohol - should we be scorching distilleries existing in the US

13 posted on 07/16/2014 11:30:04 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Objective Scrutator; PoloSec

From first hand observation, I can tell you that pot use is seriously destructive to the educational process. Marijuana was virtually legal in CA in the 80s when my kids were in school there - you drove past the high school at lunch break and got a contact high, since the kids were allowed to sit outside and toke up, completely unbothered.

My son joined the Navy and got away, but a lot of these kids just destroyed themselves. There’s a word for that: “perma-stoned.” It really refers to a pot-induced psychosis. The people involved lose about 50% of their brain power and all of their personality and initiative. One of my son’s friends ended up spending his adult life (he died a couple of years ago, so that would be about 20 years) lying on a sofa watching reruns of Scooby Doo, despite the fact that his family sent him to recovery programs whenever they could afford it.

But his current use wasn’t the problem. By the time he was 18, his brain was so damaged that he honestly couldn’t recover.

Not everybody goes this far, but pot use seriously impairs teenagers, and I think the reason Obama is encouraging it (with a wink, wink, nudge, nudge policy of non-enforcement, just as he did with immigration) is because a stoned people is a dumb and submissive people. Not very productive, perhaps, but in the Muslim Socialist People’s Republic, they don’t have to be.

BTW, marijuana and hashish are very popular and evidently permitted in Muslim countries, and many of the jihadis are stoned out of their gourds.


14 posted on 07/16/2014 11:30:36 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius
Marijuana was virtually legal in CA in the 80s when my kids were in school there - you drove past the high school at lunch break and got a contact high

Kids have been reporting for years that they can get illegal-for-adults pot more easily than legal-for-adults cigarettes or beer. Sellers of black market goods have no incentive to check IDs - another argument for legalization and regulation.

15 posted on 07/16/2014 11:36:28 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: SES1066

Harris remaining silent on alcohol is telling. There is no substance more destructive to a teen brain than booze. Whether impaired judgment, overdose, or drunk driving, booze is a much greater threat yet none of the Drug Warriors wish to take a stand against their precious drug of choice.

And then there is the legal speed, anti-depressants, pain pills, and all the other crap Docs like him shove down kids throat without even giving an afterthought to the consequences. Harris can take his medical background and shove it. Doctors are the biggest drug dealers in the country.

If we live our lives in fear of “what about the children” everything will be outlawed. I don’t want my “child” driving a 1000hp supercar or a high performance sport bike yet they remain available for adults. That argument falls apart rather quickly. The infantalization of America continues by both corrupt parties in this country and they can take their nanny state and shove it.


16 posted on 07/16/2014 11:37:31 AM PDT by drunknsage
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To: ConservingFreedom

No, the question is, should we be admitting another and even worse problem?

Alcoholism is a problem, but most alcohol drinkers are not alcoholics and it leaves no lasting damage and in fact alcohol drinkers have lower rates of Alzheimer’s and other diseases that involve the brain. Alcohol has a long and honorable tradition worldwide, has artistic and religious value, and is generally no problem.

Pot has very permanent results even with fairly light use, especially among the most vulnerable group, young people. Marijuana is used legally in mostly Muslim countries (where alcohol is forbidden_, so if you want to see how great it is, go and look at their overall initiative, intelligence, industry...non-existent.

Marijuana has no social value whatsoever, tastes and smells bad, is damaging to the lungs, much more psychologically addictive than alcohol, and makes people very passive and stupid and easily manipulated. That’s why Obama likes it.

BTW, I have heard that certain people in the US are now discussing legalizing heroin and opium, the products of the Afghanistan Muslims. Two of the major tobacco companies just merged, and the rumor is that they want to get in on the pot and opium market on the ground floor, so to speak.


17 posted on 07/16/2014 11:41:36 AM PDT by livius
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To: tacticalogic

Wickard was ALWAYS a violation of the tenth.


18 posted on 07/16/2014 11:42:33 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

That’s not an argument for legalization. Marijuana is much more portable than alcohol, and the kids will just have somebody else buy it for them.


19 posted on 07/16/2014 11:42:46 AM PDT by livius
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To: Pollster1
Wickard v Filburn is in violation of the Constitution. As much as I despise drugs, including marijuana, I’m happy to see FedGov appealing to the 10th Amendment to adnave that pathetic cause. First, they are right - drug laws are not an enumerated power and are therefore a state issue. Second, the more we appeal to the 10th Amendment successfully, even on minor or negative issues, the easier it will be to appeal to the 10th Amendment when it matters.

Thank you.
Too many conservatives are willing to ignore the Constitution's bindings on the government when they would interfere with their own ideas. They do not realize that for the Constitution to mean anything it must be honored especially when it is inconvenient.

20 posted on 07/16/2014 11:44:54 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: livius
much more psychologically addictive than alcohol

Exactly the opposite is true: of those who have used marijuana, 9% have at some point been dependent - whereas the figure for alcohol is 15%.

21 posted on 07/16/2014 11:47:05 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

The problem is that “light” marijuana use leaves a much more lasting impact on the brain than light or even heavy alcohol use. Especially the adolescent brain.

Very few people become alcohol dependent as teenagers. It usually takes a long, sustained period of use to achieve that state. Pot, on the other hand, is pretty fast, and now that it’s legal, you’re going to see that percentage soar.

Look it up.


22 posted on 07/16/2014 11:50:02 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius
Kids have been reporting for years that they can get illegal-for-adults pot more easily than legal-for-adults cigarettes or beer. Sellers of black market goods have no incentive to check IDs - another argument for legalization and regulation.

That’s not an argument for legalization. Marijuana is much more portable than alcohol,

A half-pint bottle of liquor is quite portable and packs quite a punch.

and the kids will just have somebody else buy it for them.

They can do that now with alcohol and cigarettes - yet those legal-for-adults goods are more difficult for them to get than illegal-for-adults pot.

23 posted on 07/16/2014 11:50:36 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Objective Scrutator

And if someone grows it in their closet or basement, as many people do nowadays, how are you going to stop them then? House to house searches? Swat teams kicking down doors?


24 posted on 07/16/2014 11:52:09 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: livius
“light” marijuana use leaves a much more lasting impact on the brain than light or even heavy alcohol use. Especially the adolescent brain.

Very few people become alcohol dependent as teenagers. It usually takes a long, sustained period of use to achieve that state. Pot, on the other hand, is pretty fast [...]

Look it up.

YOU made the claim, YOU look it up.

25 posted on 07/16/2014 11:52:56 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

If it could be proven a net benefit to the taxpayer, I would not be opposed to doing so. There are more responsible beer drinkers than there are pot smokers, however, and buying beer doesn’t cause you to fund the Mexican cartel (whereas regulated weed inevitably funds cartels, and unregulated weed will further burden taxpayers).

Some solutions to deal with the negative effects of alcohol is to execute drunk drivers, and if that policy doesn’t work ban alcohol from being publicly consumed. I don’t think the latter option is necessary, though.

Your argument also works both ways: should we legalize heroin? Should we legalize the anti-depressants which play a major role in getting liberals to shoot up our schools?


26 posted on 07/16/2014 11:54:12 AM PDT by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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To: livius
Oh ... and why should we care how fast we get to that lower dependency percentage?
27 posted on 07/16/2014 11:57:35 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

“Kids have been reporting for years that they can get illegal-for-adults pot more easily than legal-for-adults cigarettes or beer.”

Definitely true. You can buy the illegal drugs IN SCHOOL, from someone who wants to sell them to you. For cigarettes or alcohol, you would have to go out to a store and try to fool someone who doesn’t want to sell them to you.


28 posted on 07/16/2014 11:57:54 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ConservingFreedom
>Prohibition has failed to prevent teens from accessing marijuana and has resulted in hundreds of thousands of responsible consumers being arrested,”

Still beats being poisoned by Nixon and Carter!

We got along just fine without prohibition. Prohibition gave us Capone and the Kennedys. Now we have the Sinolas in bed at the WH! But lets keep on using war machines and tactics against US Citizens, with any luck the whole thing will be over by Christmas.

29 posted on 07/16/2014 12:01:05 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: Objective Scrutator
If it could be proven a net benefit to the taxpayer,

In a free society, individual liberties don't have to be proven a "benefit" to be respected - they're the default position.

There are more responsible beer drinkers than there are pot smokers, however,

There are more beer drinkers than there are pot smokers, period.

and buying beer doesn’t cause you to fund the Mexican cartel (whereas regulated weed inevitably funds cartels

Nonsense - OVERregulated weed may fund cartels just as overtaxed cigarettes fund criminals.

Your argument also works both ways: should we legalize heroin?

First we should learn the lessons of pot legalization. (At that time, I think the answer will be yes - but I'm open to time proving me wrong.)

Should we legalize the anti-depressants which play a major role in getting liberals to shoot up our schools?

They're already legal.

30 posted on 07/16/2014 12:02:40 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: drunknsage
>"Doctors are the biggest drug dealers in the country."

And they have public funded nazi death squads just itching to blow you away for defying their decrees!

31 posted on 07/16/2014 12:05:29 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: livius
Tell us more from your govt reports! They would never LIE!

You've been mushroomed by the same people that gave us the ERA EPA DEA and all the other alphabets of tyranny.

Sell your reefer madness BS somewhere else please. No one here is buying it anymore!

32 posted on 07/16/2014 12:09:45 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: rawcatslyentist; livius
Tell us more from your govt reports!

I'd like to see ANY reports - so far all we've got is "Look it up."

33 posted on 07/16/2014 12:10:59 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Objective Scrutator
>"whereas regulated weed inevitably funds cartels, and unregulated weed will further burden taxpayers"

Only because your Nazi drug squads will not let We the People grow their own!

Explain how someones flower garden FUNDS TERRORISTS!!!!!

Explain how prohibition prevents the WH from sharing a bedroom with the Sinolas!

Mind your own business NANNY STATER!

34 posted on 07/16/2014 12:12:48 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: Boogieman
“And if someone grows it in their closet or basement, as many people do nowadays, how are you going to stop them then? House to house searches? Swat teams kicking down doors?”

Have you been under a rock? We have already been there for decades. Numerous people have been no-knock raided at gunpoint simply for buying indoor gardening equipment, having bright lights or having grass that smells too much.

One former cop, Bary Cooper, even made videos where he would set up legal indoor gardens for cops in various areas. He would constantly get raided and proved they were using imaginary informants to get warrants for these fishing expeditions. Of course the cops did not like that at all, planted drugs on him and threw as many charges as they could at him.

The drug warriors will accept any loss of freedom if they think it will put a dent in “reefer madness”. Even with all these raids you can still buy pot in any city within a few hours. In NYC, it is delivered faster than a pizza. You will never stop a plant that can be grown by a child anywhere with dirt and water.

35 posted on 07/16/2014 12:12:56 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: Objective Scrutator
buying beer doesn’t cause you to fund the Mexican cartel (whereas regulated weed inevitably funds cartels....)

How exactly does legal marijuana fund cartels?

36 posted on 07/16/2014 12:13:10 PM PDT by gdani (Every day, your Govt surveils you more than the day before)
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To: livius

I looked it up:

‘A recent publication in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences from the Scripps Research Institute in California investigated the effects of binge alcohol consumption upon the adolescent brain. Many recent studies have already demonstrated that adolescence is a time of increased vulnerability of the brain to chemical insults. Furthermore, to make this issue even more timely, binge alcohol consumption by teenagers is increasing. The neuroscientists at Scripps discovered that binge alcohol consumption is particularly injurious to a region of the brain called the hippocampus. The hippocampus plays a critical role in learning and memory. Within the hippocampus are a group of cells that continually produce new brain cells, called neurons, throughout our life. This process of cell renewal is called “neurogenesis;” whenever this process is impaired we have trouble forming new memories and we develop the symptoms of depression, to mention just two consequences.

‘The Scripps scientists discovered that eleven months of binge alcohol consumption that produced a blood alcohol level sufficient to be considered intoxicated decreased neurogenesis by more than fifty percent! Furthermore, the decrease in neurogenesis lasted for many weeks of abstinence. You might think that alcohol binging also caused more cells to die; actually, this did not happen. That old urban myth is simply not true. The only change observed was a decrease in the production of new neurons. The authors suggested that these changes might produce a long lasting vulnerability within the hippocampus that may well predispose these young adults to neurodegeneration later in life.

‘In contrast to the effects of alcohol, a series of publications during the past few years suggest that stimulating the brain’s marijuana neurotransmitter system appears to have the exact opposite effects upon neurogenesis in the hippocampus of both young and old laboratory animals and humans, i.e. neurogenesis is increased by stimulation of our brain’s marijuana receptors.’

- http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-brain-food/201012/alcohol-vs-marijuana-in-the-brain


37 posted on 07/16/2014 12:21:15 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: tacticalogic

Yes and yes.


38 posted on 07/16/2014 12:22:15 PM PDT by cizinec ( For the Republic!)
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To: ConservingFreedom

If a pothead acknowledges that everything barack unstablebama does is in the name of harming the country, but can’t quite conclude that obama’s embrace of pot is part of his destructive plan, well then, pothead logic just fails.


39 posted on 07/16/2014 12:27:33 PM PDT by Vision Thing (obama wants his suicidal worshipers to become suicidal bombers.)
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To: gdani; Objective Scrutator
“How exactly does legal marijuana fund cartels?”

Through continued government interference, of course. By legalizing possession and artificially keeping prices high, you end up increasing illegal sales.

Why illegal dealers are flourishing in Colorado:

-Cannabis is taxed 25% on the total sale price. This is on top of sales tax and countless other government taxes and fees. If cannabis was sold at true market value, such sales taxes would probably exceed the profit.

-Cannabis stores and growers are being prohibited from writing off expenses on their federal taxes. Imagine running a business and having to lose 30-40% of GROSS income! This is a gift to the cartels by the feds.

-The number of stores and growers is strictly limited by the government. The existing stores have high prices and still can’t keep product on the shelves. There is obviously room for market supply to grow and reduce prices but government restricts it.

-Legal cannabis is a novelty to many people. Since it is currently restricted to a few areas, people are flying cross country to patronize the stores. This keeps prices high for the locals and encourages them to continue buying from their old local dealer.

40 posted on 07/16/2014 12:34:19 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: Vision Thing
obama’s embrace of pot is part of his destructive plan

0bama wears pants in public - is that part of his destructive plan?

41 posted on 07/16/2014 12:37:43 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: livius

I looked up some more:

‘A recent study conducted by researchers at the University of California found that cannabis use among those ages 16-20 over an 18 month period had a less negative effect on a teenager’s brain tissue than drinking alcohol.

‘For the study, researchers scanned the brains of 92 individuals ages 16-20, before and after an 18 month period. During the eighteen months, half of the teens used cannabis and alcohol in varying amounts, while the other half abstained or kept consumption minimal. Among those who consumed five or more drinks at least twice a week, researchers discovered reduced brain tissue health. Specifically, those consumption patterns compromised the integrity of white brain tissue in specific tracts, which could lead to declines in memory as well as decision-making ability. However, among those who used marijuana, there were no findings of ill effects on white tissue during the period of scanning.’

- http://www.medicaldaily.com/cannabis-may-have-less-negative-effects-brain-tissue-alcohol-trend-legalize-marijuana-healthy-teens


42 posted on 07/16/2014 12:50:25 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: varyouga

“Have you been under a rock? We have already been there for decades.”

Yes, I know, I just wanted to make a point to the other poster that his solution of burning marijuana fields and closing the border was short-sighted.


43 posted on 07/16/2014 12:51:10 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ConservingFreedom

potheads enslave their freedom and intelligence to serve their feelings and emotions.


44 posted on 07/16/2014 12:51:51 PM PDT by Vision Thing (obama wants his suicidal worshipers to become suicidal bombers.)
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To: varyouga
Through continued government interference, of course. By legalizing possession and artificially keeping prices high, you end up increasing illegal sales.

I don't necessarily disagree with that.

I assume by "cartels" you mean Mexican or other foreigners. But the Mexican cartels have largely abandoned bulky, smelly, low-profit marijuana for easier to transport & conceal, higher profit drugs like heroin.

And in places like Colorado, I'm guessing any foreign cartels have even less of a foothold.

So, I still don't see where any "cartels" are getting rich off marijuana when people can easily grow and/or sell in places like Colorado, even if it's technically illegal (but very few are getting prosecuted).

45 posted on 07/16/2014 12:52:03 PM PDT by gdani (Every day, your Govt surveils you more than the day before)
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To: Pollster1; OneWingedShark

If Wickard goes down, the EPA goes with it.


46 posted on 07/16/2014 12:56:38 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Vision Thing
potheads enslave their freedom and intelligence to serve their feelings and emotions.

Ditto for boozers - what ought we do about that?

47 posted on 07/16/2014 1:00:32 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Vision Thing
>"potheads enslave their freedom and intelligence to serve their feelings and emotions."

So let's keep on throwing grenades into baby cribs in the middle of the night! Keep on doing the Nazi drug raids machine guns blazing! It's for their own good you murder and enslave them!

They're coming for you NEXT, and it isn't far off!

48 posted on 07/16/2014 1:32:56 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: tacticalogic
If Wickard goes down, the EPA goes with it.

Not only the EPA, many other federal agencies… which is why they will never allow the possibility of it being overturned to enter into the general discourse.

49 posted on 07/16/2014 2:49:15 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: rawcatslyentist; Vision Thing
>> "potheads enslave their freedom and intelligence to serve their feelings and emotions."
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> So let's keep on throwing grenades into baby cribs in the middle of the night! Keep on doing the Nazi drug raids machine guns blazing! It's for their own good you murder and enslave them!

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
— CS Lewis

50 posted on 07/16/2014 2:51:19 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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