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Scotland Could Be Banned From Europe For 5 Years If It Votes For Independence
Business Insider ^ | July 16, 2014 | Jim Edwards

Posted on 07/16/2014 3:55:10 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

If Scotland votes for independence in its referendum on Sept. 18, it may not be allowed to join the European Union for five years.

New European Union chief Jean-Claude Juncker said last night that the EU needs to take a break from admitting new countries. “Under my presidency of the commission, ongoing negotiations will continue … but no further enlargement will take place over the next five years," Juncker said, according to the BBC.

He later clarified his remarks. Juncker wasn't talking about Scotland specifically but about countries generally, he said. Even so, it's hard to see Scotland retaining automatic membership of the EU if it formally leaves its parent country.

The exile period shouldn't be a surprise. José Manuel Barroso, Juncker’s predecessor, said the same thing. It would be "extremely difficult, if not impossible" for Scotland to join Europe, The Telegraph reported.

The statement deals further bad news to the pro-independence "Yes" movement, which wants to separate Scotland from Britain. Currently, pro-union "No" voters have the edge in opinion polls, 45%-34%.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; referendum; scotland

1 posted on 07/16/2014 3:55:10 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; LdSentinal; ExTexasRedhead; ...

If the vote for Scottish independence fails, will a Scottish independence party arise for parliamentary elections, or would it be open to appeal from the new UK Independence Party?


2 posted on 07/16/2014 3:57:27 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Is that a promise?!


3 posted on 07/16/2014 4:00:01 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator; Cronos

“Is that a promise?!”

It’s a prediction.


4 posted on 07/16/2014 4:04:06 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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To: Clintonfatigued

EU threatened Iceland with dire consequences but never did anything after Iceland refused to pay UK, Holland France for money lost by their citizens in the Icelandic banking collapse


5 posted on 07/16/2014 4:06:59 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Clintonfatigued

“Only please, Brer Fox, please don’t throw me into the briar patch.”


6 posted on 07/16/2014 4:18:33 PM PDT by Joe Miner
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To: Clintonfatigued

How much harder would they have to work to get ten years?


7 posted on 07/16/2014 4:21:00 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Scotland is too Socialist for the EU. LOLOL


8 posted on 07/16/2014 4:31:12 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dennisw

That’s quite a bit different from not allowing them to join the club.


9 posted on 07/16/2014 4:49:24 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Clintonfatigued

That’s because the Antichrist needs only 10 heads. The EU will fill out his empire nicely.


10 posted on 07/16/2014 4:51:43 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Ooooooooh! Banned from Europe


11 posted on 07/16/2014 4:52:45 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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To: RetiredArmy

I don’t even see any of the UK complying with the EU.


12 posted on 07/16/2014 4:57:06 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Hopefully in five years the European Union will be defunct.


13 posted on 07/16/2014 5:00:08 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

European Union Chief Jean-Claude Juncker.

Do you know how many people voted for him?

422. That many members of the EU Parliament.

422 votes makes him the chief of the EU.

What a joke!


14 posted on 07/16/2014 5:09:31 PM PDT by Oak Grove (H)
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To: Clintonfatigued

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x-eTgcVtuM

Let Italy boast of her gay gilded waters
Her vines and her bowers and her soft sunny skies
Her sons drinking love from the eyes of her daughters
Where freedom expires amid softness and sighs

Scotland’s blue mountains wild where hoary cliffs are piled
Towering in grandeur are dearer tae me
Land of the misty cloud land of the tempest loud
Land of the brave and proud land of the free

Enthroned on the peak of her own highland mountains
The spirit of Scotia reigns fearless and free
Her green tartan waving o’er blue rock and fountain
And proudly she sings looking over the sea

Here among my mountains wild I have serenely smiled
When armies and empires against me were hurled
Firm as my native rock I have withstood the shock
Of England, of Denmark, or Rome and the world

But see how proudly her war steeds are prancing
Deep groves of steel trodden down in their path
The eyes of my sons like their bright swords are
glancing
Triumphantly riding through ruin and death

Bold hearts and nodding plumes wave o’er their bloody tombs
Deep eyed in gore is the green tartan’s wave
Shivering are the ranks of steel dire is the horseman’s wheel
Victorious in battlefield Scotland the brave

Bold hearts and nodding plumes wave o’er their bloody tombs
Deep eyed in gore is the green tartan’s wave
Shivering are the ranks of steel dire is the horseman’s wheel

Victorious in battlefield Scotland the brave
Victorious in battlefield Scotland the brave

Read more: John Mcdermott - Scotland The Brave Lyrics | MetroLyrics


15 posted on 07/16/2014 5:17:16 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Clintonfatigued; manc

EU should keep Scotland and let England and N. Ireland revert to self-government. Then the EU can send all its Eurotrash refuse to Scotland instead of littering all the parks in London and other major UK cities with homeless encampments. Scotland can be hoist with its own petard.


16 posted on 07/16/2014 5:29:37 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Clintonfatigued

If the Scots could ever get back to their historical can-do-ism, and they stayed out the the EU, they could probably become one of the richest countries on earth in 5 years. They could be like the Israel of the UK.

But I saw trainspotting, so I’m not too optimistic.

John Derbyshire once wrote: they’ll never accomplish anything again.

I’d love to see them prove him wrong.


17 posted on 07/16/2014 5:30:12 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Clintonfatigued

You go Scotland, the EU can FO and you’ll be much better off for it.


18 posted on 07/16/2014 5:39:58 PM PDT by slouper (LWRC SPR 223)
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To: Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; UKrepublican; GeronL

The Scottish National Party already holds seats in Parliament (has for decades), but not many.

UKIP opposes Scottish Independence. And as a conservative party, it has little support in leftist Scotland, it did win a MEP though, because those are awarded by proportional representation. There’s only 1 Tory MP from Scotland. The rest are Labour (huge majority), SNP, and Lib Dem.

Conservative parties are usually unionist, which is foolish of them if you ask me. The only party on the right (although it’s slogan is “neither left nor right, just English”) that is FOR Scottish Independence is the tiny “English Democrats”, who want autonomy or Independence for England from the rest of the UK.

They correctly point that even though Scotland doesn’t want to governed by Labour anymore (as evidenced by an SNP majority in the Scottish Parliament) they still want England to be governed by Labour.

Scotland and it’s socialist MPs should be culled for the good of the rest of the country.


19 posted on 07/16/2014 5:50:53 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Ping to 19.


20 posted on 07/16/2014 5:51:27 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: Albion Wilde

I haven’t seen any poll showing majority support for independence. I’m interested to see what the vibe on the street is in early August.


21 posted on 07/16/2014 5:57:30 PM PDT by NYFriend
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To: Clintonfatigued

Scotland could get lucky in that case. Could go from Third World status to First World Country status with the stroke of the pen.


22 posted on 07/16/2014 6:17:46 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Could Warren Buffet's oil trains be considered mobile Jihadist weapons of mass distruction?)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Not being in EU at all would be a boon for Scotland...so no threat at all really

Why anyone, outside the most statist Communist Globalist, would want to join the EU, is beyond me....


23 posted on 07/16/2014 6:33:43 PM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (They are Illegal Aliens...not immigrants)
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To: 1rudeboy

Scotland is too Socialist for the EU. LOLOL


Actually, more like, Scotland not Socialist enough for the EU. Any EU membership will cost Scotland $$ and the Scots would be forced by EU to raise taxes to meet many EU standards for membership


24 posted on 07/16/2014 6:35:38 PM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (They are Illegal Aliens...not immigrants)
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To: Clintonfatigued

In what continent will it be?


25 posted on 07/16/2014 6:39:18 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: DisorderOnBorder

I see that you are not very familiar with Scottish politics.


26 posted on 07/16/2014 6:42:10 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Clintonfatigued

Banned? What no plaid to be seen in all of europe?


27 posted on 07/16/2014 7:27:05 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Clintonfatigued

I hope England secedes.


28 posted on 07/16/2014 10:55:15 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Clintonfatigued
Scotland Could Be Banned From Europe For 5 Years If It Votes For Independence

What Scotland should say:

"Make it 500 years and you've got a deal."

29 posted on 07/16/2014 11:11:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Clintonfatigued

This announcement will tick off the Scots more. It seems like everyone is telling them that they are a wee,poor, benighted country that can’t do anything right. This may just tip the scales to the pro independence way with Scottish stubbornness


30 posted on 07/16/2014 11:27:23 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Clintonfatigued

There already is a Scottish independence party that rules the Scottish legislature and they are the ones who called for the independence referendum


31 posted on 07/16/2014 11:28:49 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: mac_truck

Not likely. Now the euro zone collapsing is possible


32 posted on 07/16/2014 11:30:02 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Oak Grove

Yet juncker has little to no powers


33 posted on 07/16/2014 11:30:51 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Impy; Clintonfatigued

Correct impy. The Scots want labour in charge in Westminster


34 posted on 07/16/2014 11:33:19 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: DisorderOnBorder

No, it would be bad for Scotland. They would be out of the customs union, visas and would have tariffs etc that would hit their exports and tourism. They would expect the same from the remainder of the united kingdom


35 posted on 07/16/2014 11:35:26 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: DisorderOnBorder

Sorry, no. The Scots ate as leftist as the acandanavians


36 posted on 07/16/2014 11:36:19 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: NYFriend

The Scotland election is one of several coming up. I believe the Barcelona state comes up within a couple of weeks after this. And there’s talk of a split election next year within Belgium and Italy. It’ll just incite more folks to consider the idea.

I will offer this historical piece. From the Germanic map of 1800....there were 300 different city-states, empires, kingdoms, and countries representing what is Germany and Poland today. From the European map of 1800...there are a thousand separate entities existing at that point. All of this effort to bring or force people into a federation of sorts...comes from the French Revolution period and Napoleon. Without that....most of Europe would still be divided up in a major way today.


37 posted on 07/17/2014 12:10:24 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I don’t believe the UK is even in the EU now.


38 posted on 07/17/2014 4:55:29 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: RetiredArmy

They’re not in the monetary union but they’re still in the EU, albeit tenuously from the looks of recent elections.


39 posted on 07/17/2014 4:58:52 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Clintonfatigued

Well when I think of Scotland seriously I think of Highlander the movie LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqcLjcSloXs


40 posted on 07/17/2014 9:41:03 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Clintonfatigued

scare tactics.


41 posted on 07/17/2014 10:47:08 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Are they shaking in their kilts with that threat?


42 posted on 07/17/2014 10:48:59 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slaveryonc)
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To: DisorderOnBorder

you do know that Scotland is very pro socialist right?

Hell they only have one right wing rep


43 posted on 07/17/2014 11:21:30 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Sounds like an argument for Scotland to be independent then.


44 posted on 07/17/2014 3:10:50 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: SevenofNine

Have you also seen “Trainspotters”?


45 posted on 07/19/2014 10:18:42 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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To: Clintonfatigued

LOL Oh no LOL!


46 posted on 07/19/2014 10:29:12 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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