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Wolverine Report: Border Patrol Agents Threatened To Defy Orders and Stand Down If DHS Used Force
Conservative Treehouse ^ | 7/16/14 | Sundance

Posted on 07/16/2014 4:26:49 PM PDT by Nachum

We’ve been saying for two weeks that President Obama has a weak hand as he promotes his plan to deal with his own manufactured “border crisis”. Quite simply the entire administration is on the wrong side of the people. This recent report from the Border Patrol not only confirms this perspective, but further outlines how stark and contrasting is the opposition to illegal immigration. CALIFORNIA - In an exclusive expose regarding the immigration standoff in Murrieta, California, it was revealed by a confidential informant inside the Murrieta U.S. Border Patrol facility that the real reason busses stopped delivering illegal immigrants

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Wolverine Report: Border Patrol Agents Threatened To Defy Orders and Stand Down If DHS Used Force On Murrieta Protesters…
1 posted on 07/16/2014 4:26:49 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 07/16/2014 4:27:50 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

That is awesome to hear that there are patriotic Border Patrol Agents on our side. They got a front row seat on Obama’s manufacture crisis and seeing it for themselves that this was not by accident. God Bless them and may God protect them.


3 posted on 07/16/2014 4:32:33 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: Nachum
it was revealed by a confidential informant inside the Murrieta U.S. Border Patrol facility that the real reason busses stopped delivering illegal immigrants was due to a virtual mutiny within the U.S. Border Patrol ranks.

A secret person?

BS!

The BP are on the government payroll and will do what their told.

They even turned the BP academy into resort for illegals.

4 posted on 07/16/2014 4:38:09 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Patriot Babe
That is awesome to hear that there are patriotic Border Patrol Agents on our side.

Don't buy it.

5 posted on 07/16/2014 4:38:38 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I’m willing to believe that there are more than just a few Oathkeepers in the ranks of the Border Patrol.


6 posted on 07/16/2014 4:39:35 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Patriot Babe

Valerie Jarrett will not forget those who defied her and she will seek ways to make them pay

It’s not over, I fear

Murietta mutineers must not be permitted to inspire others to resist


7 posted on 07/16/2014 4:39:54 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Patriot Babe

Ya might be a little naive Babe, I don’t know, but if they don’t follow their orders, they’re out of a job...

They’re on the lucrative government payroll, and their fatgov pensions are at stake.

They’ll do what their told....

Bet the rent.


8 posted on 07/16/2014 4:43:56 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
I agree with you. It would be very dangerous to assume this article is correct and to assume that it's safe to defy a Border Patrol agent. There are some dead folks who are dead for throwing rocks across the border at Border Patrol agents. When they kill someone, it is investigated by another federal agency.

Caution is advised. Basically, these guys have a license to kill.

9 posted on 07/16/2014 4:45:27 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Lurker

That’s pie in the sky....

I don’t buy a stinking word of this.

Lets see it. Lets get some names of those who refuse their orders, those who’ll stand with the people...

Lets see them!


10 posted on 07/16/2014 4:45:44 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Nachum

If the Border Patrol Agents really wanted to revolt they would start deporting the illegals as soon as they caught them. Obama would have to fire them all and then there would be no one left to run his human smuggling operation. Plus, the States would be forced to defend their own borders and they would actually do it.


11 posted on 07/16/2014 4:46:41 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Patriot Babe
That is awesome to hear that there are patriotic Border Patrol Agents on our side.

The Border Patrol line troops have been battling their politically appointed brass for many years now on the issues that have flared up and finally touched a broader segment of the citizenry. Their union has been vocal and pulled no punches but the MSM has spiked all the stories. Go back to the Minuteman actions on the border.

I salute these patriots that continued doing their sworn duty despite the political roadblocks that placed them in mortal danger.

12 posted on 07/16/2014 4:46:47 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Tau Food

Absolutely...

If the rank and file refuse to obey orders, I want to see it, I want to see video, names etc...


13 posted on 07/16/2014 4:48:01 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Nachum

That’s good news. The more people stand up to Obama, the less tyrannical he can be.


14 posted on 07/16/2014 4:50:37 PM PDT by DannyTN (I)
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To: Covenantor

No no, show me some proof here of this virtual mutiny within the U.S. Border Patrol rank and file.

Lets see it. Lets see the names of these rank and file members who decided to stand up and refused orders. Lets see what happened to them so we can support them.

Take your time.


15 posted on 07/16/2014 4:51:27 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: DannyTN

See 15, lets see it Danny...

If ya got something share it.


16 posted on 07/16/2014 4:55:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Nachum

How many DHS employees are washed up former LEOs?

You know the type;
“Execessive use of force”
“violating department policy”
“unable to meet or maintain department standards”
“abuse of authority”
“substance abuse”
etc.


17 posted on 07/16/2014 4:57:30 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: dragnet2

Do your own homework


18 posted on 07/16/2014 5:00:02 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: dragnet2
Anyone believing this article should Google the following words: Border Patrol bribery.

Just look at the first three results. And, in total, I get 352,00 hits.

19 posted on 07/16/2014 5:03:48 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: G Larry
The front line U.S. Border Patrol agents are essentially refusing to perform any unconstitutional act upon the protesters, and they let their intentions be known to their superiors.

Is there a government agency in the U.S. which would not readily say this?

If the rank and file went to their superiors en mass and stated they would refuse to obey orders and had a "virtual mutiny" I would like to see it.

This would be nearly impossible to hide.

20 posted on 07/16/2014 5:05:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Covenantor

You evaded the questions...

See the tagline.


21 posted on 07/16/2014 5:05:27 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Covenantor

If you challenge their authority and they kill you, they will not be punished. They will be cleared.


22 posted on 07/16/2014 5:08:13 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: dragnet2

Yes!

DHS would never take this position.
IRS would never take this position.
EPA would never take this position.
HHS would never take this position.
AG’s office would never take this position.


23 posted on 07/16/2014 5:09:48 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Nachum
I read this stuff....and I'm jaded.

I don't believe much anymore...Trust but Verify!!

I've read stuff here on FR...that I thought was going to turn the tide...and it didn't.

Until I see...USA Military Generals, US Border Patrol, Sheriffs, Police Dept's all over the country coming together and coming out in the open...calling Obama out. I don't trust much happening...........................

24 posted on 07/16/2014 5:12:29 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: G Larry

They all took that position if they took an oath.

In other words, no government agency out there is going to tell ya they refuse to act in accordance with the Constitution.

They may do so Larry, but they won’t admit it....lol


25 posted on 07/16/2014 5:15:05 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Nachum

If true, it’s still not good enough. The refuse to help the feds remove the protestors but what they should do is refuse to process the illegals. Stop it at the source. Stopping them from going to Murietta only sends them somewhere else.

But, I guess it’s a start.


26 posted on 07/16/2014 5:15:15 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: Patriot Babe

HUGH !

This gutted the Beast!

Take It to the Streets!

Bundy first and now This,,,


27 posted on 07/16/2014 5:17:32 PM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: Osage Orange

Ask yourself, it they refused orders, and had this virtual rank and file mutiny, why did they not come forward for support of the people? This would be big, big time news...

Where was their news conference?? Why did they not go to the people for support, where massive support clearly exists?

Where was the rank and file spokesperson who stood up and said enough with all the mutineers standing behind him?


28 posted on 07/16/2014 5:20:02 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Exactly.

We've butted heads before...but I agree with you here.

I think it's the old.."throwing the rabble a bone" ploy...

29 posted on 07/16/2014 5:22:56 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: dragnet2

Agent Flanders

US Border Patrol,,,

U tube, Google what ever,,,,

He Is Standing UP!


30 posted on 07/16/2014 5:23:24 PM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: dragnet2
What I would say is possible....is this.

This is one person speaking up..and maybe has the support of others of the rank and file..but not command. Therefore...it's not going to be official.

People are afraid to speak out in many instances...for fear of losing their livelihoods.

I've had that happen in my job....and it makes for some interesting ethical situations.

31 posted on 07/16/2014 5:27:42 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Big Red Badger

Ok, we got one name, I’ll look it up.

But the article alleges a “virtual mutiny” among the rank who allegedly refused orders in So. CA. Where’s that at?


32 posted on 07/16/2014 5:28:08 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Lurker

There was more than a little cooperation between the Border Patrol and the people of Murrieta. A lot of BP live there. It’s their town, too.


33 posted on 07/16/2014 5:31:08 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: dragnet2

Agents live local With families,
something happend.


34 posted on 07/16/2014 5:32:08 PM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: Big Red Badger

Can’t find any Agent Flanders..............FWIW-


35 posted on 07/16/2014 5:33:23 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Big Red Badger
Looked it up, but excuse me, Flanders never said anything about Murrieta and you're referring to an minor incident which occurred at some check point in March, before the Murrieta event.

I have yet to see proof of a rank and file refusal to obey orders or a "virtual mutiny" among the BP.

36 posted on 07/16/2014 5:40:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Patriot Babe

Border Patrol Are Patriots of The First Order!

Of this be Sure!


37 posted on 07/16/2014 5:43:04 PM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: Osage Orange

Tag Team of Trolls me thinks.


38 posted on 07/16/2014 5:45:22 PM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: Big Red Badger

Say what?


39 posted on 07/16/2014 5:47:10 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Big Red Badger
Agents live local With families, something happend.

Name it again....please.

Show me the evidence..............

40 posted on 07/16/2014 5:48:33 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Osage Orange

You want a Name?

Pedro Nava.

the First illegal released by This mess charged With Murder and Kidnapping.

chew on That.


41 posted on 07/16/2014 6:09:54 PM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: Big Red Badger

Are you even following any of this thread..???


42 posted on 07/16/2014 6:11:20 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Lurker

Oathkeeper ping!


43 posted on 07/16/2014 6:15:30 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: Nachum

Thank you to our patriotic Border Guards. God bless you all.


44 posted on 07/16/2014 6:17:52 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Nachum

“Most of the Border Patrol agents here at this facility are residents of Murrieta, and when they found out that the DHS was going to come in with riot gear, the agents declared that they would not obey any unlawful orders which violate the Constitutional rights of peaceful protesters.” said the informant.

“Our contact inside the U.S. Border Patrol told us that we do not even realize how impactful the protest was….it was a shot heard around the world….all the way back to Guatemala; Mexico, and not just the U.S. Government….the influx of immigrants coming over the border has decreased from 1500 per day down to 800 per day…cut almost in half as a direct result of what we’ve done.”

The front line U.S. Border Patrol agents are essentially refusing to perform any unconstitutional act upon the protesters, and they let their intentions be known to their superiors.


45 posted on 07/16/2014 6:20:03 PM PDT by newfreep
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To: Nachum
See! See!

This is exactly why Ubama needs his civilian army of gang-bangers!

He can't depend on the local police force to kill people when he tells them to.

46 posted on 07/16/2014 6:21:41 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Osage Orange

I gave up. With some of these folks they’re either plants, on the payroll or who knows...

I’s like having a dialog with a phone pole.


47 posted on 07/16/2014 6:31:23 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Big Red Badger

Apparently they won’t be happy until they can get the names posted on an open forum.

Making it easier for BP management to transfer them where they won’t be able to spoil Obama’s plan.


48 posted on 07/16/2014 6:36:09 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: Pelham; Osage Orange
Wait a minute here.

In regards to historic news event in Murrieta, you believe the rank and file refusing orders and conducting a "virtual mutiny" was all kept secret?

You believe some unknown person who alleged it was NOT the protesters who turned the buses around when they spent days out there, standing in front of buses in the middle of the highway?

You believe it was actually the border patrol who turned those buses around, not all those people in the streets and then all this was kept totally top secret?

49 posted on 07/16/2014 6:46:55 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Pelham
Apparently they won’t be happy until they can get the names posted on an open forum. Making it easier for BP management to transfer them where they won’t be able to spoil Obama’s plan.

This begs the question Pelham.

Would their superiors not already know who amongst their own BP agency conducted this allged virtual mutiny and refused orders?

??

50 posted on 07/16/2014 6:54:09 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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