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That's what I'm looking for | 7/17/2014 | Scouter

Posted on 07/17/2014 7:33:35 AM PDT by scouter

I went to the shooting range last night for the first time in about 2 years. Lot's of fun, and I have to admit, I did pretty well for being so out of practice. But talking with some folks, I heard something that I had not heard before, but they all agreed it was true. I'd like to know if anyone can cite a source for this, as I'd like to use it in a conversation with my sister, who is opposed to gun ownership.

What I heard was that the U.S. has the 3rd highest rate of murder by gun in the world, but if you remove the locations with the strictest gun control, we have the 3rd lowest. That's a powerful statistic. I'd like to be able to use it, if I can find a citation. Can anyone help?


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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guns; gunstatistics; murder

1 posted on 07/17/2014 7:33:35 AM PDT by scouter
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To: scouter

I’ve also read that if you remove a certain “demographic” we’re about the same homicide rate as Sweden.


2 posted on 07/17/2014 7:34:50 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: scouter

check John Lott’s website. that’s where I’d start.


3 posted on 07/17/2014 7:37:00 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: scouter

John Lott is the best source. You could check his website.


4 posted on 07/17/2014 7:39:19 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: scouter

This could very well be from John Lott.I would check with him or scan his book as he actually has all the numbers needed to make that conclusion and he keeps them updated.

If I remember correctly he is on this forum.


5 posted on 07/17/2014 7:39:50 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: scouter

Does that include suicides?


6 posted on 07/17/2014 7:40:13 AM PDT by moovova
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To: scouter; JohnLott

Paging Mr. Lott...


7 posted on 07/17/2014 7:42:00 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: scouter

Not even close to their highest for gun homicide, the US isn’t even in the top ten. Hondouras, Argentina, Brazil, somolia, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq..

Well, you get the picture. The one spot which the US takes top place is in ownership rates.


8 posted on 07/17/2014 7:42:27 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: moovova
Does that include suicides?

I don't know. That's one of the reasons I want to find the original source... so I can answer those kinds of questions.

The irony with my sister's anti-gun position is that her daughter is an FBI agent and her son is former Special Forces, and they both support gun ownership.

9 posted on 07/17/2014 7:44:05 AM PDT by scouter
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To: scouter

Of course, we ALWAYS believe what’s in the newspaper and on the Internet. The media NEVER lie to us or obfuscate the truth, do they?


10 posted on 07/17/2014 7:44:22 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: scouter

The go to FReeper about gun statistics is marktwain. This is because a lot of gun statistics are uncertain, deceptive and confusing. Even the FBI has a hard time getting accurate crime stats, for their annual Uniform Crime Report (UCR), because states vary widely in what and how they report.

As an example, Arizona is listed in the top ten for “gun homicides”, but 71% of its homicides are suicides. If you adjust for that, Arizona has one of the lowest per capita murder rates in the US.

Likewise, if you adjust the statistics for race, black Americans far outnumber all other ethnic groups per capita in both murderers *and* victims.

And marktwain is one of those few individuals who has the patience to punch through the confusion to get through to the reality.

This is not helped by the left not only embracing deceptive and contrived data, but continuing to parrot it even when it is shown to be nonsense.

On the plus side, there has been a strong effort to associate “blue states” and their gun control with crime. So what you want should be available.


11 posted on 07/17/2014 7:46:34 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I’ve also read that if you remove a certain “demographic” we’re about the same homicide rate as Sweden.


You are exactly right and here are the populations:

USA 317 million

Sweden 5.56 million


12 posted on 07/17/2014 7:50:10 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: scouter

> The irony with my sister’s anti-gun position is that her daughter is an FBI agent and her son is former Special Forces, and they both support gun ownership.

Take her to a shooting range and lay the gun on the counter when the range master tells you to commence firing. Just leave it there lone while everybody else fires away. At the end of the session tell her, “see it can’t shoot anyone unless someone pulls the trigger. Tell the range master you are going to do this beforehand. Afterwards teach her how to fire the weapon and have fun shooting at the targets...: )


13 posted on 07/17/2014 7:52:05 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: moovova

‘Does that include suicides?’

All gun death numbers put out by the left include suicides.

They do whatever they can to twist the numbers to support their foolish belief that only government approved folks should own guns. If we give up our guns we are committing suicide.


14 posted on 07/17/2014 7:54:28 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: scouter
The Wonderful World of Stu: Anti-Social - Assault Weapons
15 posted on 07/17/2014 7:55:25 AM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander
The Wonderful World of Stu: Anti-Social - Assault Weapons

That was awesome! I'm not sure it'll work with my sister, but there are some great numbers in there.

16 posted on 07/17/2014 8:13:52 AM PDT by scouter
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Not the Amish again?

FBI chart of murder offenders by race and age
17 posted on 07/17/2014 8:14:33 AM PDT by publiusF27
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To: jsanders2001
Take her to a shooting range....

I love the idea, but she'd never go with me. At least not without some preliminary intellectual conversion first.

18 posted on 07/17/2014 8:15:23 AM PDT by scouter
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To: scouter

If you ever do get her there, force yourself to make sure that she has fun and a good time, save the complicated lessons and preaching for later. First, get her hooked on the fun and let her get confident.


19 posted on 07/17/2014 8:36:09 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: scouter
Here is a link to a page on the FBI web site:

www.fib.gov

I suspect data is also broken down by location, but it may take a little digging to find it in that format.

20 posted on 07/17/2014 8:47:29 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: ansel12
If you ever do get her there, force yourself to make sure that she has fun and a good time, save the complicated lessons and preaching for later. First, get her hooked on the fun and let her get confident.

Excellent advice. I'll make sure to follow it. I also thought I'd start her on a .22.

21 posted on 07/17/2014 8:52:25 AM PDT by scouter
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To: scouter

“The irony with my sister’s anti-gun position is that her daughter is an FBI agent and her son is former Special Forces, and they both support gun ownership.”

Libtard life is just one cognitive dissonance crisis after another. It is worst when those you bore and raised insist on learning history, insist on hard data instead of hardball politics, and insist on owning those nasty, dangerous GUNS!

Be especially kind to your Libtard friend. These are trying times for them.

PS Tomorrow doesn’t look any better for them.

PPS ;-)


22 posted on 07/17/2014 8:57:51 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and for what Muslims do.)
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To: scouter
Not sure if this reference would have it, but here's the link.

The author, Guy Smith, also visits this site here and there. Can't recall his account name, though.

Gun Facts v6!

Click the pic to go to the Gun Facts v6 download page!

23 posted on 07/17/2014 9:02:26 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: scouter

There is little that is more satisfying to a man than when he succeeds in changing a female from disparaging his hobby, to her becoming the one pestering him to take her camping, or shooting, or whatever.


24 posted on 07/17/2014 9:04:31 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; All

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/09/debunking-four-cities-murder-myth.html

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/01/european-murder-rates-compared-to.html


25 posted on 07/17/2014 9:06:44 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

Thanks!


26 posted on 07/17/2014 9:42:25 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: scouter

Take out Hispanic and black crime and we are the lowest.


27 posted on 07/17/2014 9:43:57 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: CodeToad

Does this include blacks from Africa or just Holder’s people?

However the number of Hispanics are increasing with leaps and bounds.

Not a very pretty picture.


28 posted on 07/17/2014 10:28:47 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I’ve also read that if you remove a certain “demographic” we’re about the same homicide rate as Sweden.

HEY! Careful there! Remember, truth is the new hate speech!

29 posted on 07/17/2014 11:43:26 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
I agree with what you stated, and love your tagline.

FMCDH(BITS)

30 posted on 07/17/2014 12:01:57 PM PDT by nothingnew (Hemmer and MacCullum are the worst on FNC)
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To: 353FMG

Just Holder’s people. “African-Americans” are his people. Black Americans are not.


31 posted on 07/17/2014 12:40:42 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: marktwain

Thanks a bunch for those.


32 posted on 07/17/2014 1:49:42 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: marktwain

BFL...


33 posted on 07/17/2014 2:56:31 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: nothingnew

Thanks, like yours too, but I would rather we do the prying. The streets could get slippery, shortly.


34 posted on 07/17/2014 4:28:46 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: scouter

Remove the places with the strictest gun control - and THEN remove the crimes committed by young gang-bangers.

The numbers become miniscule.


35 posted on 07/18/2014 3:21:54 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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