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Was MH17 flying through warzone to save fuel? Planes in area of crash site pictured flying away from
UK Daily Mail ^ | July 17, 2014 | Darren Boyle

Posted on 07/17/2014 11:53:19 AM PDT by C19fan

Air accident investigators are planning to inspect the proposed flight plan lodged by pilots on board Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 to see if they flew over a warzone to save fuel. The 17-year-old jet was shot down over eastern Ukraine despite British, European and US commercial aircraft being warned against using the airspace since April. One of the major questions is whether the Malaysian flight crew received the warning from flight safety officials about the risk to safety. One aviation expert revealed: 'Malaysia Airlines, like a number of other carriers, have been continuing to use it because it is a shorter route, which means less fuel and therefore less money.' The jet was travelling at 33,000 feet at 490 knots when it disappeared from radar screens while approaching the Russian border.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: malaysia; mh17; russia; ukraine
I was wondering what planes were flying through a war zone. The airlines have been warned but Malaysian chose to ignore the warnings and looks got 300 people killed. No sane person should fly Malaysian.
1 posted on 07/17/2014 11:53:19 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Russia has joined the US/NK/China club of shooting down an airliner


2 posted on 07/17/2014 11:56:21 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: C19fan

Who would get on a plane operated by that airline at this point? No one ever again, I imagine.


3 posted on 07/17/2014 11:59:00 AM PDT by Defiant (Obama is not the anti-Christ. He is Satan's John the Baptist, preparing the way.)
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To: realcleanguy

Russia joined that club around 1984.


4 posted on 07/17/2014 11:59:28 AM PDT by Defiant (Obama is not the anti-Christ. He is Satan's John the Baptist, preparing the way.)
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To: realcleanguy

Not sure of the timing but Russia if one includes the USSR might of been the inaugural member shooting down the KAL flight during the 80s.


5 posted on 07/17/2014 12:00:26 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

It is possible the SAM operators were told to shoot down anything that popped up on the radar.


6 posted on 07/17/2014 12:00:38 PM PDT by gr8eman (Arch Stanton)
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To: realcleanguy

Russia was already in it. . Since around 1940...There was an incident over the Baltic. Also KAL 007.


7 posted on 07/17/2014 12:00:56 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: C19fan

At 32K ft? Anybody got a pic of the missile they used. Facsimile of course. Not the actual missile.


8 posted on 07/17/2014 12:01:05 PM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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Supposedly a BUK SAM system:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696344/What-shot-MH17-Soviet-built-BUK-surface-air-missile-launcher-believed-brought-Air-Malaysia-flight-33-000ft.html


9 posted on 07/17/2014 12:02:03 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: realcleanguy
Russia has joined the US/NK/China club of shooting down an airliner
See Korean Airlines flight 007, shot down by the soviets on 9/1/83 - a Boeing 747 with 269 aboard.
10 posted on 07/17/2014 12:02:20 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Get out of my country now)
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To: rktman
Not exactly a shoulder-fired weapon.


11 posted on 07/17/2014 12:08:10 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: rktman
The missile used is from the 9K37 Buk battlefield SAM system (NATO code name SA-17 Gadfly), the successor to the 2K12 Kub (NATO code name SA-6 Gainful) that wreaked so much early havoc against the Israeli Air Force early in the Yom Kippur War. The current production version is a very modern SAM system, which has been continually upgraded in recent years.
12 posted on 07/17/2014 12:10:01 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: C19fan

What is up with these Malaysian Air pilots? They had to know planes were shot down in the area in the last few days.


13 posted on 07/17/2014 12:10:36 PM PDT by AU72
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To: C19fan

Only problem is it is NOT a ‘war zone’. It is an area where Soviet infiltrators are busy helping separatists attempting to destroy an elected government.


14 posted on 07/17/2014 12:12:51 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: AU72

A bunch of other airlines just stopped flying there after the shoot down..Russia, Germany, France and a couple others


15 posted on 07/17/2014 12:20:13 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: C19fan

16 posted on 07/17/2014 12:30:46 PM PDT by Fear The People (When the government fears the people, you have LIBERTY.)
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To: RayChuang88

I guess the rebels/terrorists/patriots must have tripped and hit the acquire and launch buttons at the same moment? I don’t know who’s who in the Ukraine at this point. Was the flight ignoring the warning to not fly over the area? Prayers to the innocents and their families.


17 posted on 07/17/2014 12:33:23 PM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: AU72

At the time Putin had the Malaysian 777 downed, there were 25 -10 other commercial aircraft within a hundred miles. The Malaysian 777 wasn’t the only aircraft using the air routes over The Ukraine at the time. Who’d have thought Vlad would become suicidal and start killing civilians on airliners. Guess he won’t be as loved by some of the members here anymore.


18 posted on 07/17/2014 12:34:27 PM PDT by AnAmericanInEngland
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To: C19fan

Malaysian Airlines a majority Malaysian government held corporation. This is a none story for the mainstream media.

Now, was it a privately held corporation or god forbid the Koch Brothers held say 5%...well then you would see this story screamed from the mountain tops.

Remember the Chilean miners trapped, the story was about the rescue, because the mining operation was state owned.


19 posted on 07/17/2014 12:36:31 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Defiant

KAL007


20 posted on 07/17/2014 12:37:37 PM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: C19fan
Not just Malaysian airlines, there is a particular person who turned the Ukraine into a warzone...

Not during my vacation...

Putin's thugs shoot down a passenger airplane Putin Spies Obama Working Out

Let's not forget, not only the evil man who set things into motion, but the weak, inept enabler who emboldens the thug.

21 posted on 07/17/2014 12:40:46 PM PDT by Fear The People (When the government fears the people, you have LIBERTY.)
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To: Nifster

“It is not a war zone”

It doesn’t matter who was elected and who is shooting. If it quacks like a duck it is duck.

It is a war zone—don’t fly in it and don’t let anyone you care about fly in it.


22 posted on 07/17/2014 1:02:39 PM PDT by cgbg (HLM--"Democracy is the theory that people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.")
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To: KSCITYBOY

Bingo. Larry McDonald, the penultimate Democrat patriot.


23 posted on 07/17/2014 1:08:38 PM PDT by Defiant (Obama is not the anti-Christ. He is Satan's John the Baptist, preparing the way.)
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To: AnAmericanInEngland

Nobody here loves Vlad. We appreciate a guy who pursues his own country’s interests, since we don’t have one in this country, and we wish we had someone on our side that fought for freedom the way he fights for .... whatever he is fighting for.


24 posted on 07/17/2014 1:11:10 PM PDT by Defiant (Obama is not the anti-Christ. He is Satan's John the Baptist, preparing the way.)
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To: C19fan

Malaysian Airlines new slogan: ‘Take a chance flying us. If we land safely, you get $2000.’


25 posted on 07/17/2014 1:23:43 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I ai-pprove this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: realcleanguy
Russia has joined the US/NK/China club of shooting down an airliner

Russia joined that club long ago. Just ask Lt Col Gennadi Osipovich:

"I saw two rows of windows and knew that this was a Boeing," he said. "I knew this was a civilian plane. But for me this meant nothing. It is easy to turn a civilian type of plane into one for military use."

Minutes later, he fired two air-to-air missiles, sending Korean Air Lines Flight 007 crashing into the sea, killing 269 people and causing what President Boris N. Yeltsin has called the greatest tragedy of the cold war.

At least the USS Vincennes had the excuse that they believed they were under attack by a fighter armed with Exocet missiles. Earlier, in the same waters, the USS Stark had been hit by an Exocet fired by an Iraqi Mirage, supposedly by mistake. 37 sailors died.

The Ukrainian rebels apparently thought they were bagging another AN-26.

26 posted on 07/17/2014 1:49:31 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Defiant

National Russianism.


27 posted on 07/17/2014 1:55:10 PM PDT by AceMineral (Some people are slaves of their own stupidity.)
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To: C19fan

I was wondering the same. Aircraft are being SHOT DOWN there...but then that’s life. The important thing is CARBON FOOTPRINT and by killing 400 or so people, carbon emissions will be cut, DRASTICALLY, which should help the airline cut its carbon taxes that it has to pay Europe each time one of their planes passes through.

So it was a NO LOSE deal for the airline. If they take the more direct route, over the war zone, and survive, their trip is still shorter, which means less carbon tax. If they get shot down, then they get a HUGE BREAK, as they can take credit for all the carbon that would have been burned by the passengers - for the remainder of each of their lives.

Hopefully the Dems won’t get any ideas from this, as I like the idea of flying from Point A to Point B safely.


28 posted on 07/17/2014 2:03:48 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Fear The People

The airliner in the picture with Putin-——is that the Libyan Air Boeing 727 that was intentionally shot down by the Israeli F4 back in the early 70s?


29 posted on 07/17/2014 2:17:39 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: cgbg

Soviet GRU officers directing the shoot downs . Soviet troops arming and fighting with the ‘separatists’. This is naked aggression by Vlad and his commie boys.

Convince yourself all you want but this is a major international incident and should not be treated lightly or flippantly


30 posted on 07/17/2014 8:57:00 PM PDT by Nifster
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